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fayte.m
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posted June 19, 2007 04:55 PM
 
HSC
I would like to get away from all this nonsense. Your pseudo apology will suffice for now even though it is laced with more judgments.
However, your own words say you will continue to do this to folks. 
Have you changed your outlook on this or do you still feel it is the right way to socially interact with folks? 
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Some people are of the ridiculous opinion that everything said in an email ought to be automatically considered private, but this makes no sense to me. Email is just another means of communication. Should we consider everything communicated to us outside of LL, or when no one else was around, as "private", and not to be repeated upon fear of being labeled a betrayer?
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 19, 2007 05:09 PM
If I am at a party, talking to someone, and no one else is around, and this person says to me, "You are a really talented writer,"... should I then assume that this information must never be repeated, and that I am betraying that person if I say to someone, "You know, so-and-so just told me I am a talented writer,"? Or, is it only private if it is typed into an email? Honestly, I do not understand the distinction. Does this make me "Disgusting", "insane", "an utter low life cad", "the lowest of the lowest of social creeps", someone whose "character lacks any moral decency or integrity"? What loving, understanding words, fayte! Clearly it is all in my head that you are my enemy, and I must have some crazy motives for thinking these are words are full of hate.
[also, I edited my last post to include another point.]
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juniperb
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posted June 19, 2007 05:14 PM
Thank you for your reply HSC. I am bowing out of this conversation. It is too muddy with the he said/she said convo`s and the content is lost. Another time and place perhaps?  ------------------
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 19, 2007 05:17 PM
juni,Another time.  IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted June 19, 2007 05:18 PM
P.S. I`m not implying the off subject items are not valid & needing addressed but this simply isn`t the subject I am interested in working on
Excellent HSC & I will look for it.
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fayte.m
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posted June 19, 2007 05:35 PM
How interesting.
My last reply has disappeared. 
Firstly, someone telling you you could be a writer is ABOUT YOU not others and UNLESS they told you to keep mum about it, it is not a secret and was told as a compliment during a conversation in a public setting. Not a private e-mail.
However if they drew you aside and did tell you a confidential thing and told you to say nothing, you have the responsibility to keep your mouth shut about it.
How you cannot see the distinction is very disturbing.
Additionally in my post that vanished.....
I NEVER said you thought my secret was about Lesbianism. I said the suspected culprit accused me of that because of my public displays of love to Lia. In their eyes a person showing intense love equates to sex and so by that token I must be a Lesbian or Bi in their eyes. Neither of which I am. 
No, I still do not hate you but you do seem to have deep resentment towards me and any woman who is disagreeing with you.
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fayte.m
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posted June 19, 2007 05:56 PM
AS for calling me a crazy woman and twisting things, I am not the only one here who found this very irresponsible and disturbing: quote:
Some people are of the ridiculous opinion that everything said in an email ought to be automatically considered private, but this makes no sense to me. Email is just another means of communication. Should we consider everything communicated to us outside of LL, or when no one else was around, as "private", and not to be repeated upon fear of being labeled a betrayer?
So are we all crazy? It is very disturbing that you see nothing wrong in subscribing to such an attitude. Are we all crazy because we see that you do not understand proper social conduct and mores'?
You do not like anyone alluding to your friendship with Lia. Yet nothing was said that has not been posted by you and her publicly, unlike what you have done to her, Zala, and me and perhaps others I missed during this drama fest instigated by you because of your attitudes on what private means to you. ------------------
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posted June 19, 2007 06:03 PM
fayte, quote:
Firstly, someone telling you you could be a writer is ABOUT YOU not others and UNLESS they told you to keep mum about it, it is not a secret and was told as a compliment during a conversation
All of this applies to what I posted from 'Zala, which you totally tore into me for. The only thing that you found wrong with that, then, is that it was in an email? Again, I see it as a random distinction. Others I've spoken to share my opinion, and I assure you, we are not all "the lowest of the low". I'm sorry I brought up the thing about Lia on the thread. Perhaps I ought to have written you about it, or, perhaps I should have just kept it to myself, since it was a private matter which Lia shared with me. From what you are saying, I cannot tell if you believe the moral thing to do would have been to tell you about it or keep it to myself. In any case, the fact that I did not mention it until now proves that my motive was not to help you, but to defend myself. Blue Roamer, if you are listening, I do admit that this action of mine was selfish, and I do not condone it at this point, but I still think it is less harmful than the vicious language that many people are allowing themselves to indulge in on these boards, over and over again, and if anyone ought to be held accountable for wrongdoing, it ought first to be the ones who allow themselves to speak to others in such a way. Fayte, if it is self-evident to you that one ought not to publicly repeat compliments given them in emails, know that it is even more self-evident to me that one ought not to resort to the kind of derrogatory language that you are so fond of directing at me and others whom you say it is your intention to heal and instruct. If I am the "lowest of the low" for thinking that a compliment given in an email is okay to repeat, then what does that make you for indulging in such vicious language?
hsc
ps. Every woman I know disagrees with me, regularly, lol. The ones I have a problem with, and the ones who have a problem with me, are the ones who cannot disagree, or be disagreed with, without becoming rageful and vicious. Strong women are outspoken, yes, but they are very far from being the puppets of their most primitive instincts. Take some notes from Mirandee, as she seems to be getting the message.
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 19, 2007 06:09 PM
fayte,I never called you crazy. Don't lie. IP: Logged |
alanabelle86
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posted June 19, 2007 06:21 PM
I like you HSC  You tickle me pink.
Almost to the point of a schoolgirl crush 
and no, that's not some good ol' fashioned Scorpio sarcasm 
I think it's your Aquarian-ness... it's seeping through my screen and playing on my senses haha.
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goatgirl
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posted June 19, 2007 06:44 PM
HSC,I think the point that people are attempting to make is that unless you have gotten permission from the sender, you need to ask before you post an private email from one person to you (even if it's just mundane) on a large international public forum. Some consider an email the same as a letter/phone conversation. Unless you've asked first you risk violating someone's privacy, since you don't know how they view email. Peace.
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fayte.m
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posted June 19, 2007 06:48 PM
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fayte, quote:Firstly, someone telling you you could be a writer is ABOUT YOU not others and UNLESS they told you to keep mum about it, it is not a secret and was told as a compliment during a conversation All of this applies to what I posted from 'Zala, which you totally tore into me for. The only thing that you found wrong with that, then, is that it was in an email?
Yes, because it was in an e-mail and it was not used in a conversation with folks simply talking, but for you to show off by using her compliments at an inappropriate time and because they were private e-mails actually posted, not simply referred to, as in "Zala gave me a nice compliment." quote:
Again, I see it as a random distinction. Others I've spoken to share my opinion, and I assure you, we are not all "the lowest of the low".
Now you are twisting. What you did to Lia and me was low down and dirty. It was not a simple social faux pas as posting Zala's e-mails to you that were ABOUT YOU, not others. That was wrong. But Publicly posting an accusation of Lia as betraying me just to defend yourself very selfishly was low, rude, manipulative and uncalled for. quote:
I'm sorry I brought up the thing about Lia on the thread. Perhaps I ought to have written you about it, or, perhaps I should have just kept it to myself, since it was a private matter which Lia shared with me. From what you are saying, I cannot tell if you believe the moral thing to do would have been to tell you about it or keep it to myself.
Yes, that is what you should have done, either one. If she truly trusted you with private things about me (I am not saying she did, simply using it as an example)It should have ended there. I would trust her judgement if she were to share. Keep that in mind HSC, things folks confide in you, be it about themselves or others, is confidential and if it was not idle gossip nor out of meanness, There is no actual betrayal unless you or they are using it to blackmail or slander another person. Or as you did, used it selfishly for your defense. Personally I would want to know if someone were bringing my name up. quote:
But In any case, the fact that I did not mention it until now proves that my motive was not to help you, but to defend myself.
THANK YOU for admitting THAT FACT. It is appreciated. It was not a noble or kind act on your part and has created alot of unnecessary drama. Had you told me privately you believed Lia betrayed me, I would have asked her what does this mean. then asked you two to hash it out and get back to me with the evidence. Then All this latest drama would not be ongoing. Seeing how Lia did not know my secret 2 years ago, I do not see how you heard anything from her 2 years ago as you said. She did not even know a year ago! It has been only a matter of months.
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Blue Roamer, if you are listening, I do admit that this action of mine was selfish, and I do not condone it at this point,
Good. quote:
but I still think it is less harmful than the vicious language that many people are allowing themselves to indulge in on these boards, over and over again, and if anyone ought to be held accountable for wrongdoing, it ought first to be the ones who allow themselves to speak to others in such a way.
Wrong. I would rather you call me crazy woman amongst other insults you have thrown about to me and others! Name calling is something you do but we are not allowed to retaliate? No, the two things are not the same and name calling is not a low down act as what you did by accusing Lia of betraying me and hinting quite heavily repeatedly about my secret. That is far lower than name calling and potentially much more harmful. That was and is an invasion of private and personal things.
As to the rest of your post you have tossed about your big share of insults and name calling without anything other than opinion usually to back your rudeness up.
This is getting really old and I am very tired of it all. Trying even calmly to discuss things with you is like trying to get a nest of hornets to not sting by talking and walking softly by them.
Or a viper not to bite by petting it gently.
It is in your nature to argue things into a fight and nothing I or others say whether nice or angry will change your ways.
So rant on as you wish.
I am sure you will do so whether I respond or not.
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~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
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fayte.m
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posted June 19, 2007 06:55 PM
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Either you are twisting things on purpose, or your anger is twisting things, or you are just a crazy woman.
Wow two judgements/accusations in a row! And one insult!
Then you said: quote:
fayte,I never called you crazy. Don't lie.
So I am lying huh? It is not the first time you have called me crazy and other things. And no I am not going to search for and post all the times you have done so. You would I feel enjoy the attention too much.
BTW, my moon is in Aquarius too but I do not use it as an excuse for my actions.
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posted June 19, 2007 07:18 PM
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fayte.m
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posted June 19, 2007 07:25 PM
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posted June 19, 2007 07:26 PM
Exactly, fayte."Either you are twisting things on purpose, or your anger is twisting things, or you are just a crazy woman." I gave three options. Notice I said "or", not "and". In context, you'll find I was saying that I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are NOT crazy. Evidently, neither are you a very careful reader. The option I went with is "your anger is twisting things", because this was the least unflattering option, and I want to think the best of you. Here is what I said in context: quote:
I dont even know what to make of your posts. I keep giving you the benefit of the doubt, and you keep coming back with things that make no sense to me. Either you are twisting things on purpose, or your anger is twisting things, or you are just a crazy woman. I continue to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe the second option is true, but, it is getting harder, as the things you say are consistently and thoroughly warped.
This latest distortion just goes to make my point that much clearer, fayte. I never called you crazy. That does away with another two whole posts of meanspirited, snowballing assumptions from you. You did however call me all the numerous insulting things I quoted from you (i.e. "Disgusting", "insane", "an utter low life cad", "the lowest of the lowest of social creeps", someone whose "character lacks any moral decency or integrity"). This is so obvious to everyone at this point that I have no more to add. Feel free to have the last word, and the last thousand words full of more of "Fayte's Famous Assumptions and Distortions".  Then you can post a rainbow at the end, and call it a rainy day. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted June 19, 2007 07:37 PM
Three choices of insults HSC to choose from HSC! How generous of you to not use "and" and letting me choose one from the list! Yippie! That is supposed to make me happy? Crazy was one of the choices. quote:
Exactly, fayte.I gave three options. Notice I said "or", not "and".
Actually you said, are, or, or, are. quote:
Either you are twisting things on purpose, or your anger is twisting things, or you are just a crazy woman.
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In context, you'll find I was saying that I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are NOT crazy. Evidently, neither are you a very careful reader.
What a line of tripe HSC to justify insulting!
Actually there are four insults to choose from there, the second one is a double one.
I just saw you edited the above but I don't give a flying fig about taking anything you say seriously anymore.
Original post was simply this tripe: quote:
Exactly, fayte.
I gave three options.
Notice I said "or", not "and".
In context, you'll find I was saying that I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are NOT crazy. Evidently, neither are you a very careful reader.
And then more insults from you added to attempt to justify your self. quote:
This latest distortion just goes to make my point that much clearer, fayte. I never called you crazy. That does away with another two whole posts of meanspirited, snowballing assumptions from you. You did however call me all the numerous insulting things I quoted from you (i.e. "Disgusting", "insane", "an utter low life cad", "the lowest of the lowest of social creeps", someone whose "character lacks any moral decency or integrity"). This is so obvious to everyone at this point that I have no more to add. Feel free to have the last word, and the last thousand words full of more of "Fayte's Famous Assumptions and Distortions". Then you can post a rainbow at the end, and call it a rainy day.
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posted June 19, 2007 07:41 PM
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Actually you said, are, or, or, are.
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Either you are twisting things on purpose, or your anger is twisting things, or you are just a crazy woman.
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Yeah, they're called "words".
String 'em together like that and you get a sentence. Goodnight, Fayte. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted June 19, 2007 07:45 PM
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HSC,I think the point that people are attempting to make is that unless you have gotten permission from the sender, you need to ask before you post an private email from one person to you (even if it's just mundane) on a large international public forum. Some consider an email the same as a letter/phone conversation. Unless you've asked first you risk violating someone's privacy, since you don't know how they view email. Peace.
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Now THAT's a strong woman.
Thank you for clarifying that for me, goatgirl.
Sometimes I need that kind of earthy sense put to me. You are absolutely right.
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posted June 19, 2007 08:12 PM
Does a man who has no enemy create enemies?Do we need enemies? IP: Logged |
goatgirl
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posted June 19, 2007 09:47 PM
HSC,You're welcome. I enjoyed the post BTW. BR, How's your mom? Your words made me think of the "if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it fall, did it make any sound/actually fall? We don't really have enemies. We have people who reflect parts of ourselves that we haven't yet integrated and learned to love yet. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I have recently picked up a book called Soul Sick Nation, written by an astrologer. She talks about how just as we incarnate into our particular family and have karma to work out with them, lessons to learn from them, we also incarnate into the place/country we were born due to karma, and lessons. This post nudged me to think of the book, and the post in FFA about the 2012 that SunChild posted. If we want change we need to manifest it. If we want love in the world we need to love each other. I think that The Beatles phrased it best...Love is all you need. It sounds so simple. Is it not really simple when you scrape away all of the coverings? Peace.
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Mirandee
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posted June 20, 2007 01:40 AM
Those were my thoughts too, Juni I know when Annie Besant died, HSC. She was born in the 1800's. Nevertheless, she did promote Theosophy in her writings, she did write articles for the Democratic Socialist publications. She was a member of that organization through a friend that she met in, I believe it was Paris. She married a Christian minister when she was 19 years old and had two children. Through the years she turned against Christianity in favor of new philosophies and her husband divorced her. Yes, she was involved in women's sufferage and in helping workers but mainly because they were socialist issues to her. Not that she was not spiritual as well. She studied a lot of different religions. I just signed on here and noticed that it no longer says moderator on your posts, HSC. It says knowflake again. I think in his quiet way Randall has let you know how he feels about the invasion of privacy of other members of LL and how much he wants the rules inforced at LL. So we can all drop any further reference to it. The webmaster, it seems, has spoken as to what he deems private. IP: Logged |
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posted June 20, 2007 02:35 AM
Fayte  Just wanted to say that anger is a normal human emotion and considering what you have to be angry about in this case it is very understandable. It in no way means that you are any less spiritual than anyone else. It only means that you are very ticked off.  We are all different and we all express our emotions differently. Few of us know positive ways of expressing our anger. However, it's better than suppressing anger. Anger turned inward = depression. So it's okay to  now and then. IP: Logged |
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posted June 20, 2007 02:51 AM
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fayte.m
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posted June 20, 2007 08:05 AM
Yeah Cool smiley Mirandee! I am quite burned out by all this. And as long as no more kindling is added to the ashes and re-ignited, I will let the ashes blow away.
Like I said, it irks me far more to see those I love attacked and lied about than it does to have it happen to me. But here it was both Lia and I. It is difficult to not show anger when confronted with such. Some may say love fixes everything. Lovely sentiments but not always true in all situations. Consider the criminal. Until incarcerated they will continue doing what they do and love will rarely help them change. But once confined sometimes counseling and caring can help them. Some folks take advantage of the kindness and love of others. Love does not mean condoning or enabling one to mistreat others. Turning the other cheek means to give the offender(s) at least two chances. It does NOT mean one should keep turning the cheeks and become a doormat to passive aggressive folks.
Well I have run out of cheeks to turn! And tired of being spat upon and watching Lia dragged through the mud.....again. I forgave HSC many times. As to my last forgiving him and giving him a benefit of a doubt, he knows what I mean. Suffice it to say, I shall not be doing him any more favors, especially concerning Lia.  : ------------------
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