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Topic: Spirit Guides and The Law of Correspondences
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Mirandee
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From: South of the Thumb Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
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posted June 21, 2007 10:17 PM
 
True Aselzion. However if a guru is leading you to a clear stream as you stated, then he is leading you somewhere.  IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted June 21, 2007 10:31 PM
True Mirandee 
"Leading" is not something a guru does.
In fact a person need not even like their teacher at times.
Leading is an action of control of another for good intentions or ill.------------------
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
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Mirandee
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From: South of the Thumb Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
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posted June 21, 2007 10:53 PM
Fayte Jesus said, " He who leads must follow." How I feel about it all is summed up in this song by The Grateful Dead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbK_sGcz4_I Ripple If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine
And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung,
Would you hear my voice come thru the music,
Would you hold it near as it were your own? Its a hand-me-down, the thoughts are broken,
Perhaps theyre better left unsung.
I dont know, dont really care
Let there be songs to fill the air. Ripple in still water,
When there is no pebble tossed,
Nor wind to blow. Reach out your hand if your cup be empty,
If your cup is full may it be again,
Let it be known there is a fountain,
That was not made by the hands of men. There is a road, no simple highway,
Between the dawn and the dark of night,
And if you go no one may follow,
That path is for your steps alone. Ripple in still water,
When there is no pebble tossed,
Nor wind to blow. If you choose, to lead must follow
But if you fall you fall alone,
If you should stand then whos to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home. La dee da da da, la da da da da, da da da, da da, da da da da da
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Aselzion
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posted June 21, 2007 11:08 PM
Greetings...Well the water thing was another meta4 for the mirror imagery... in truth the Teacher does not lead us to anywhere physical. Though we may have Earth Teachers, their purpose is to use the Socratic method to help us to explore our Inner World, much as school teachers should give us tools for relating to the physical world. True also that one need NOT LIKE their Teacher... often we do NOT... and then later realize exactly what is is they taught us. Some lessons are best learned "the hard way", as it were, for if things come too easily we do not always value them. I believe that Linda refers to having more than one Teacher, but that one might be perceived as more of a challenge, and the other as more of a comfort. I can certainly attest to this. But I have to say, I probably have learned more from the challenger. Hope that clarifies my former remark a bit. Blessings... and Happy Solstice! A  ------------------
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Mirandee
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From: South of the Thumb Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
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posted June 21, 2007 11:09 PM
Hi Bright Star HSC requested that it not be brought up again and I think we should all just let it go, learn the lesson we have to learn from the experience and move on. I don't feel it was "fun" for anyone.  IP: Logged |
Mirandee
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From: South of the Thumb Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
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posted June 21, 2007 11:37 PM
I know it was only a metaphor, Aselzion. I was really just teasing you or being my normal pain in the butt self. I agree, Aselzion. I think of teachers as guides and I think of it more as guidance and we all need some guidance in life when we are having difficulty of some kind. Parents are our first guides. Teachers in school are guides. Same would apply to the spiritual life I would think. Though God is our best guide. The path is ours to travel alone with God but every now and then on that path it does not hurt to consult a map or compass. I think we all do that by talking to others about spirituality, as we do here, or reading spiritual books etc. Those things are guides. Those things are means that help us on our path. I think that some people have a mistaken notion of religion itself. All mainline religions only offer tools. There are some religions who do lay down rules or a "it has to be done this way" kind of thing. Best to avoid those. However, some people feel they need that. My sister in law did. When I would question some "method" that she applied to spirituality she would get very nervous. She told me that if she questions this then she would have to question it all and that would be too confusing for her. She was raised by very strict parents. I understood her but felt kind of sorry for her. Confusion is the beginning of wisdom and questioning is what helps our faith to grow. We are all different. So our paths are all different. Whatever way we do it, we are all headed for the same place, the same end. Just my thoughts. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted June 21, 2007 11:39 PM
Aselzion and Mirandee 
Wise ones you indeed both are!  It has been a very happy Solstice too!
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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
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Mannu
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posted June 21, 2007 11:54 PM
Aselzion, I ofcourse agree with you . And you said it your self that you have used meta4 yourself. I too was using a metaphor. We have to say something, right?? To get an idea
BrightStar, its not a war against HSC. Please take an objective view of things. We are just challenging each others beliefs. Or adding our comments based on experience. People see as they are. Perhaps after few years here you will have a different perspective. I am not offended by your words. I am much matured to handle such provocations
Oh by the way predestiny is also bullocks.
I posted the comments from the movie matrix. Please read and re-read the dialogues between the oracle and the Architect. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002627.html
Its close to truth(Ofcourse my truths )
Cheers !!!!
Heh Mirandee, I noticed that you have become a moderator. I am so glad your talent got recognized here by Randall. Kudos to him.
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Mirandee
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From: South of the Thumb Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
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posted June 22, 2007 11:56 AM
Thank you, mannu Your words are very encouraging and I hope that I can live up to them and Randall's confidence in me. Will try my best. I will humbly keep in mind the words of Jesus, " To lead must follow." IP: Logged |
Solane Star
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From: Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2005
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posted June 22, 2007 05:12 PM
And never assign anyone something, that you can't do better YOUrs-ELF!!!!Just wanted to squeeze that one in, if thats O.K!!!! I thought this also fits in here!!!
Conscious communication
“If we want to be compassionate we must be conscious of the words we use. We must both speak and listen from the heart.”
-- Marshall B. Rosenberg Conscious communication requires us to be truly present to what is occurring. When we are unconscious, we both speak to and react to others out of habit. And in the face of what we perceive as someone’s judgment and criticism, we automatically (and unconsciously) defend, withdraw or attack. To communicate consciously requires attention to two areas: I need to speak from awareness of what I am perceiving, feeling and needing, and Through watching and listening, I need to be aware of those same needs in others. “When we focus on clarifying what is being observed, felt, and needed rather than on diagnosing and judging, we discover the depth of our own compassion.” -- Marshall B. Rosenberg IP: Logged |
Solane Star
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posted June 22, 2007 05:16 PM
Mirandee!!!! Nice Thoughts!!!Very Connected There!!!
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I understood her but felt kind of sorry for her. Confusion is the beginning of wisdom and questioning is what helps our faith to grow. We are all different. So our paths are all different. Whatever way we do it, we are all headed for the same place, the same end. Just my thoughts. IP: Logged |
BrightStar
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posted June 23, 2007 01:06 AM
Hi Mirandee. I am sorry i brought it up again, buti misunderstood what you were trying to convey with HSC. IP: Logged |
BrightStar
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posted June 23, 2007 01:13 AM
Hi Mannu long time no see. Now about HSC i an sorry i said that, but i was just asking. i was not trying to cause any provacations or offend anyone. and thanks for the information.IP: Logged |
sesame
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Registered: Nov 2003
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posted June 23, 2007 07:10 AM
I too agree that people should refrain from conversing about private emails on a public forum, if for no other reason that no one else has a single idea of what they are talking about, hence the communication is private anyway, but further confusion ensues when you try to allude to other private communications, that the other participant might not understand exactly. So, really, to prevent this problem, you could converse privately over email. Well, that's my onion about that.Aselzion, greetings to you again too! I had a question, what if you don't have a guru or teacher? I know of the saying "The Teacher will appear when the student is ready", but what if one never shows up, but you may have had some in the past, does this mean you are not ready to move on, from like the "glory days" so to speak? Or can it mean that you are in a position that does not require learning and growing? Or can teachers appear in a non-material form and guide you to learn through books and movies etc.? I guess my sub-question is, do we always need a Teacher? If we are shown ourselves, then couldn't we continue to teach ourselves independently from others? Must we always rely on a someone? Sorry, turned in to lots of questions. Heaps of Love,
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I realized it for the first time in my life:
there is nothing but mystery in the world,
how it hides behind the fabric of our poor,
browbeat days, shining brightly, and we don't even know it. Sue Monk Kidd, "The Secret Life of Bees", p79 Logically Magical Logic is Magically Logical Magic! (and vice versa!)
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Aselzion
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From: North Andover, MA
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posted June 23, 2007 09:30 PM
Greetings....Sesame... Well, I believe in a way that you made your own point and answered your own question! But I'll be glad to share my opinions and experiences. Like Neale Donald Walsch, I believe that God has sent us nothing but Angels. Now, what happens if we sub 'Angels' with 'Teachers'? I believe that we can learn from both those that are seen, as well as those that are unseen. And I do NOT believe that all of one's Teachers will necessarily announce ThemSelves as such. For example.. when I was much younger, I had an experience with a certain "street person" who always showed up asking me for money right after I bought my morning coffee. Now for several days I walked right past him, deeming that I was too busy or underpaid myself to just give away money to a total stranger, particularly when I was so good at racking up my OWN bills... One morning, as my "bum" approached me, I was impressed to give him some folding money.. and just to 'let it go'. I believe this was a Teacher (Angel), for after I did this, I never saw him there again... I learned something. But he never siad, "hey man, I'm going to Teach you something"! He simply asked me for some money... I think that we all have Teachers.. most will come and go, and never even announce their presence. Other times, we will see them do 'something' and be drawn to ask them to Teach us, and they will... but never should it cost you money. It is one thing to pay to take an Astrology class, or a class in any metaphysical subject of interest to you, and to PAY for the teacher's time and knowledge, as you would pay for a book or a computer program. I believe that is a fair transaction. But when a Teacher comes into your Life, as Linda has so often said, 'no money shall change hands'. There is none among us who have been without Teachers, Guides or Angels. However, I do believe that many times we might miss the point... only to discover, and often many times years later, just Who or What that person/Being/Entity really was. Make any sense? Hope that helps a bit... In the Light... A
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26taurus
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posted June 24, 2007 01:25 AM
*in  w/ Aselzion *   !
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Aselzion
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posted June 24, 2007 11:36 AM
Awwwww....Thanks 26T!
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26taurus
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posted June 24, 2007 04:42 PM
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sesame
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posted June 26, 2007 08:54 AM
You know, you just gave me an epiphany! I remember back a while ago when we talked about CWG, and how I read them all etc (thank you) but I won't go there now. Have you seen the Secret? Another big question asked of everyone nowadays. Well, I know a guy who's read CWG like at least 22 times, and recommended the Secret. In many ways, he is my current teacher, and an uncle in law who pops up every now and then where we trade our latest lessons etc. Anyhow, I think the Secret applies in this case as we attract who we run into at any given moment, etc. What we read, watch, hear, see, and sometimes especially smell, can really open our minds to the magic of the Universe. I had a "teacher" very similar to yours who was a busker. Not sure if I told you this story, but I'll be brief. I met him the same day I met another teacher who also popped up over months to go through some fundamental understandings, etc. Both encounters occurred the day after I finished Star Signs. Anyhow, The last time I met the busker was after the last time I met the fruit seller (the other teacher). At this time, he was playing his guitar at a train station, and we talked about auras, the end of the world, and life, etc. Anyhow, he mentioned that trading money if almost pointless, that it mattered not to him if someone gave him 5 cents or 5 dollars, that both were equal, because the giver had given what they felt they could give in their circumstances. That they must have appreciated his music to be inspired to give. I think this was the first time I'd heard his music, and it truly was out of this world. So I gave him 5 dollars and never saw him again, but I love these memories and feelings that will always be with me. At the end of the day, we are a sum of everything. To experience things like this when you're young seems to create a certain magic that lasts your entire life - a very similar feeling from reading books. Ever read the Far Away Tree by Enid Blyton? I read it when I was about ten and will never forget, but I completely forget the content. I know though that if I read it again, the magic would disappear, and may not be back in another ten years. So, like you said, I guess we contemplate lessons throughout out entire lives and may extend, develop, and evolve them over our lifetimes, or move on and create new ones depending on what we attract at that time. Life is extremely dynamic. Thanks again for your words.Heaps of Love,
Dean. ps, 's 4 26 ------------------
I realized it for the first time in my life:
there is nothing but mystery in the world,
how it hides behind the fabric of our poor,
browbeat days, shining brightly, and we don't even know it. Sue Monk Kidd, "The Secret Life of Bees", p79 Logically Magical Logic is Magically Logical Magic! (and vice versa!)
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Aselzion
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posted June 26, 2007 01:47 PM
Greetings...Well said, Dean. No, I have not read the Secret, I think I saw it on YouTube or somesuch place after someone pasted a link to it here. The Law of Attraction is also contained within The Kybalion by Three Initiates. It's a brief guide and introduction to the Hermetic Principles of Thoth. I did however have a friend of mine, who I am not really so certain is actually a Friend now that I ponder her words, tell me that, "if you had read the Secret you would not be sick right now". This when I had a blood clot in my brain over the past month or so. According to the doctor, the blood has now reabsorbed, I'm sure in part to the prayers and well wishes that people sent me, but also to some Inner work that I had done, along with my own meditations and prayers. Point being, I sort of feel now that she 'kicked me when I was down', as it were, and am trying to process that. I know that she is wildly in love with The Secret (which I really consider to be 1st grade material metaphysically speaking at best) beecause she's dying to have another man in her life. At any rate... The Secret is what it is.. but I feel that like Christmas, it has become a cash cow! I'll step off the soapbox now. Blessed Be... A ------------------
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26taurus
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posted June 26, 2007 02:47 PM
Dean, ((( )))A, Funny, after some time, my response to a few people about the secret was: 'It's kindergarten stuff.' A stepping stone maybe for some....who will eventually 'see' it and drop it. Yes, people are dying to get alot of *things*. Was discussing last night with someone about the Law of Attraction, how it's nothing new and the differences in how it's presented in the secret and the older books or by the ancients... anyway...a cash cow, yes. Glad you are feeling better now. IP: Logged |
tuxedo meow
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posted July 12, 2007 02:10 PM
Mirandee- Thank you for putting the lyrics to "Ripple" up for us, esp. me! and the idea of another saying it sort of sums up their philosophy fed me too...This song reassures me and expresses a lot of my beliefs- love Tuxedo Meow
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