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Mannu
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posted November 06, 2007 11:58 PM
 
Fayte,
Those are brilliant lexs 
We are the created creators. Any notion of a human being less than a God or God more than human is an illusion. How brilliant that lex is.MysticMelody,
There are no coincidence in life. Every event has a meaning behind it. And its up to us to decipher what that meaning is. Our thoughts do become reality and manifests.
Continuing my ramblings:
Ye are Gods:
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Many are afraid "Oh my God, how can I loose my identitity? I am breathing therefore I am living. Idiots. Do you have any control over your breathing? It seems to happen automatically isn't it? As if you were programmed from birth to do it. The drop of ocean as it goes towards the shores is being pushed by an ocean current. When one drop of ocean from below the surface comes in contact with the air, it thinks, "oh lovely I like being kissed by air". Another drop of water when it reaches the shores says "I like being at the shore and caressing the earth". It plays for a time on the shore and becomes too attached to the joy. Both drops fear loosing that joy.
Suddenly another wave comes and collects all drops of water including the above two in to the ocean.
Is the drop of ocean different than the Ocean itself? No.
Therefore any identity of you being less than God itself is lack of self esteem.
OMG, didn't I have a dream of a falling tooth? And our RA said its lack of self esteem.
We always project ourselves as some one greater than what we really are to the outerworld. Don't we boast on our resumes when we apply for Jobs? When asked to self introspect or in the inner world we think of us as sinners. So I will not hesitate for a moment to call myself a God or address you as Gods.  IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 07, 2007 12:23 AM
In living you are really dead (to the spirit world), while dead (to matter) you have become alive.Some religios have dogmas of reborn. They have truth in them when understanding comes.
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Become your own salvation.
You are the Lord and You are the Messiah. There is no God but One God
and your name is also Her name.Call me sinner, call me saint
I live in my own created hell, and my own abode is also in heaven
Beyond that place is a place unnamed
Where eternal bliss dwells
_____ The last line I leave it blank
for you to fill or i would come back in time and fill it then
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted November 07, 2007 12:45 AM
Mannu,
Please,
What do you think happens to suicides? IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 07, 2007 11:32 AM
Steve,
Wishing you a great solar return. May you find peace within you and radiate it to everyone  ===========
Its such a generic question. I will attempt to answer to the best of my ability of where I think you are coming from. It depends on the state of person committing suicide really. If he is doing it with understanding , he will never end his life. Life is too beautiful for him. He never gets depressed. If he does, he is fooling himself that he has an understanding.
While if he commits suicide because he is being threatened by outside circumstances such as his land is being invaded and he and his community is being threatened, then they all chose to die together. Thats not suicide. Its a choice better than to die in an homicide or mass killing. Its better to always talk with the other party before taking such extreme steps. If nothings gonna change in talks, then choose what is best option.
I allude to the story of Angulimala and Buddha. Buddha was willing to be his victim under the condition that he hears him first. Then we know the rest of the story don't we? I have quoted a small poem in the previous post on what happens when we die. Perhaps you can read between the lines  IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted November 07, 2007 12:18 PM
Mannu 
We do see things much the same as you stated in the first post you made on this page.
BTW..Those are simple Anagrams, still working on a good Lexigram for the concept.Namaste`
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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Mirandee
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posted November 07, 2007 12:23 PM
Mannu,Since, you feel the need to correct me every time I give a view ( who is the real egomaniac here?), in this case just agreeing with what NAM said, I am letting you know honestly and up front, I am not going to play this game with you. 
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ListensToTrees
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From: the capricious clouds, in the land formerly known as Albion
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posted November 07, 2007 12:30 PM
I think the risk we take if we chose to end our lives because of unhappiness, is that we can't be sure that we will be any happier when we have passed on. Perhaps we will regret not fulfilling something which we were meant to?I would like to know if there is definitely a purpose for living. I would like to know whether we are definitely evolving.....or not. I can't be sure. All I can do is speculate. We as the human race have not developed (our intuition?) to the extent that we can prove with absolute certainty the truth in the "abstract". We are very behind in this area. If the animals could communicate with us (which they can to those who are extremely receptive).....I wonder what they would teach us?). Basically, what it comes down to, and how all this connects to the issue of suicide, is the question are we here for a purpose? What is this purpose exactly?. If we can discover, with absolute certainty, what the answer is to this question- then we will be able to say whether or not suicide is "wrong". The danger is that while we don't know, those who take their own lives are taking a terrible risk in as much as they may regret it once they have done it. And if they do regret it, there is absolutely no going back.  However, I personally feel that they suffer only in as much as they regret. Life itself is infinite, and if we are indeed evolving, the souls of those who took their own lives still have the rest of infinity to fulfill this in. But are we evolving??? As for people ending their lives to prevent suffering death at the hands of another- I feel that they are absolutely doing the right thing. The same with those who have a terrible terminal illness, once they feel they can take no more. Let people die in dignity Depression however, though extremely painful.....is curable. I just know that there has to be a way that I can heal my own. The difficult part is holding onto hope. Those with depression mustn't trust conventional medicine. This only treats the symptoms and not the cause (and from what I've read can actually make it worse). Most illness starts off originally through the mind/ emotions of a person. These are the things that cause that imbalance of serotonin in the first place. Diet/ lifestyle is another important factor. Most people find it difficult to pinpoint the cause of their depression, the place inside their being where the pain is hidden and causing their depression. This requires a lot of soul-searching. It is crucial to the healing to find out the source of the problem. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
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From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
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posted November 07, 2007 12:32 PM
The masculine, creative principle, appears to receive.The feminine, receptive principle, appears to create. All of nature shows the dominance of the creative. But nature proceeds from the void. 
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ListensToTrees
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From: the capricious clouds, in the land formerly known as Albion
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posted November 07, 2007 12:45 PM
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ListensToTrees
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posted November 07, 2007 12:50 PM
Hey, HSC, that's really weired. I was tempted then to quote Neitsche, then afterwards I saw that you had already quoted him on your Kybalion thread where you had also written about the masculine/ feminine, etc. Weired.  IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 07, 2007 01:58 PM
Mirandee - When I read your statements I didn't agree with it. So I made my own statement on if one can define each one 100 %.I thought you were open to being asked questions when you post here. I am not testing you. I can learn from you if you can teach, but I expect you to learn if I can teach you something. Let me make it very clear for all readers. I have no objective interest other than to learn and teach. Looks like you were enjoying singing your own tune and hence forth I won't make any statement of my own to spoil it for you on my threads or yours unless you address me directly.
HSC already took a dig at that statement by saying everything is from void. As stated in my second post, I did think of that. I am not dead yet to the matter world completely 
I have some techniques that will help me through. Not going in details here.
Hence I was hesitating to post all this time. I can't get thru each of you if I can't conquer my own self. Not that I want to cut thru each of you, because some are holding their identies very much and not willing to give up. Perhaps this a wrong place. Enlightenment is not a 21st century science. It was exising for thousands of years. Christianity alone will not get me there. It will only assure me of a peaceful death and a good farewell. All religions are similarly in a mess. I wanna go beyond where no one has gone before. And for that I must act. Well so be it.
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Mannu
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posted November 07, 2007 02:10 PM
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It is OK to be born in the church but not ok to die there - Vivekananda
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Mannu
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posted November 07, 2007 02:36 PM
Listentotrees,I am not good in words. But what you said is so brilliant. We are evolving. No second is ever the same. And accidents do happen in Life.
Even some mystics die in car accidents.
Cheers!!!
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Mannu
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posted November 07, 2007 02:37 PM
Listens,
Reminds me. Are you good in dancing? Perhaps you must take it up to better your driving skills.IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 07, 2007 02:41 PM
Why would any one like to go back to square one after dying? Its like throwing all the spiritual currencies you collected for after life and you are throwing it in the spiritual river before dying and restarting on earth all over again. There fore experience oneness atleast once in your lives it will help us all in the after life. Or find that centered peace within you. But aim not to die. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted November 07, 2007 02:53 PM
Mannu, quote:
And accidents do happen in Life.
Even some mystics die in car accidents.
How do you ascertain it was an accident? Could it have been the Destiny of the Mystic? Many times the lesson isn`t for the one who died but for the ones left behind.  ------------------
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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~ - George Eliot IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 07, 2007 03:04 PM
Hello Juniperb,>> How do you ascertain it was an accident?
It seems accident on earth. >> Could it have been the Destiny of the Mystic? Yes. Its possible. Though history has shown you that every great mystic has been known to know the time they will die.
Its a science which I can get in to and share with you all at LL when I am ready Remember me in your prayers to God and it will manifest. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
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From: the capricious clouds, in the land formerly known as Albion
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posted November 07, 2007 04:03 PM
Why, thank you Mannu.  I just came across this:
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“As long as you are searching for it, it cannot be found, ” teaches Gangaji.
When I clicked on a link about her book, "The Diamond in Your Pocket".IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 07, 2007 04:10 PM
Yes its a nice saying.
Although I don't agree with it.It only applies to finding peace within you. I am not searching for truth any more. I have found it. I need to act on it to experience it. NAM asked once is action required. Yes it is. That law we all created before time began never changes. Energy is energy it can only be converted from one form to the other. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
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posted November 07, 2007 04:13 PM
I think she meant, it is found within.Searching may help unlock those doors. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
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posted November 07, 2007 04:13 PM
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The masculine, creative principle, appears to receive.The feminine, receptive principle, appears to create. All of nature shows the dominance of the creative. But nature proceeds from the void. - HSC
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I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.Author: Harry Emerson Fosdick
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The mystery of life isn't a problem to solve, but a reality to experience. --Emmett Brown
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Mannu
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posted November 07, 2007 05:41 PM
Fayte,
Thats a nice graphic. I like how the two hands join together and bow down and greet "Namaste". It means "the divinity in me greets the divinity in you." Very profound cultural value.
Theres no identity with left hand (receive) or right hand (give). You bring it together and greet the divinity in the other.Fayte, even when you don't agree with me on the rest of the posts, its fine. I don't enjoy people who agree with me all the time I need to be alone sometime and regrow from my interactions with you all the people at LL. Ugghh, I am behind my work schedule.
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fayte.m
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posted November 07, 2007 06:26 PM
Mannu
Thank you!
I understand.
And enjoy you whether we agree or not.
You help me look at things from more perspectives.
I like how you do not preach.
I also undestand the meaning of:
Namaste`
And on that note again..
Namaste`
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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Mannu
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posted November 07, 2007 07:23 PM
LTT,
You misread me or perhaps i didn't say well.I said I need to practice to get to the experience and I have the techniques that should help me. I don't believe in preaching. I believe in seeing it first, experiencing it and then stating what I experienced. Lot of quotes that you pasted is exactly I don't want in my internal software
I don't want to waste my precious time destroying those programs later on. I advice all on path to enlightenment to practise techniques such as meditation and yoga, .. it really helps. I remember my body was responding great to those techniques. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
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From: the capricious clouds, in the land formerly known as Albion
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posted November 08, 2007 03:11 AM
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Lot of quotes that you pasted is exactly I don't want in my internal software
That all depends on how you interpret it; the eye of the beholder, the doors of perception. That's why religion itself has never created world peace. You can interpret anything in an endless number of ways. If something appears negative, then transmute it. IP: Logged |
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