posted November 08, 2007 08:11 PM         

The body of each ouroboros,
instead of being surrounded by Void,
would spiral off into another body,
and the empty space inside the ouroboros
would be filled by its own body.
The Void would not "appear" in the image.

See what I'm saying?

It's like an M.C. Escher thing now.

So, there is the Dragon.

But there is only the Dragon.

The Dragon never catches up with itself.

The Dragon is always escaping from the jaws of itself.

And chasing its own tail back down the rabbit-hole.

posted November 10, 2007 02:40 AM         

And I really think now that "Free Will" is simply something we have which gives us the choice to chose actions which align with the universal principle of love, and those that don't.

But do animals have that kind of reasoning and understanding? I'm not sure. As I have said on the thread above, they certainly have souls and feelings just as we.

I think, perhaps the difference must be,
as yet
they don't have the kind of reasoning we have to chose "good" or "evil"- they have no concept of such.
And perhaps there is no "good" or "evil", but only actions which are in harmony with the God/ Love, and actions which aren't.

Do animals have this kind of understanding to be able to chose?

Is this the difference between our animal brothers and sisters and we?

posted November 10, 2007 10:43 AM         

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Is free will possible? Not 100%. For one, if you go to the store and only have 1 dollar in your pocket and you want something that costs 2 dollars you can't get it. Unless, you want to steal the money from someone else, but that raises other questions about free will. Every thing that you will is not going to happen. So, free will is just a percentage of our will. Any comments?

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posted November 10, 2007 11:59 AM         

"free will" just means
the dimension of life in which
you are consciously, actively engaged.

This is all the time,
and, more specifically,
when we are increasingly conscious
and engaged in the dialogue with life.

Determinism expresses a universal law,
that can be understood in the mental realms,
and seen to operate and underlie all phenomena.

But when you talk about Everything,
you have to talk about the world as it is
AND the world as it is experienced.
These are and are not two different things.

The world as it is lived and experienced,
is the surface world,
where we live, move, and have our being,
and the world as a whole is the underworld,
where we are controlled and given control.

This is the truth in one sense,
and, in another sense,
this is only how it is when we conceptualize it.

We are in error if we think that we are ever not in life,
or not experiencing our free will.

We are always in the present moment, living.
And the phenomenon of reflection, or contemplation,
takes place in the present moment.

Yet there are undeniable limitations placed on us,
and this is only the nature of perception, which is subjective.

That which is subjective is subjective in every sense,
so, we cannot say that, sometimes we are free, sometimes not.

We always have the precise degree and kind of freedom allowed to us.

We eternally create ourselves from the substance of the Void.
But the act of creation is the Void.
And so are we.

This does not imply freedom,
only Being/Becoming.

The fundamental problem we have
in understanding the nature of Being/Becoming,
is that we try, in our minds,
to decide between the true and the false.

But there is no true and no false.
Both are true from a higher vantage point.
But you must view each question
from an entirely different level.
We think we are comparing and contrasting two things,
but we are taking an idea which is true in one sense,
and a second idea which is true in another sense,
and attempting to decide which of them is false.

So the problem is intrinsic to our way of thinking.

But the mind CAN overcome itself.
It is reason that continually overcomes
the limits we impose upon her,
and she does it by the use of reason.

We merely need to be aware of our condition,
which includes our resources,
which indlude our willpower.
Good Faith is when you trust in these resources,
and when that trust is there, God takes over;
you become God in the world, and your faith manifests works by itself.

But if you disprove this, you will miss it.
Everything must be understood at its own level.
Everything is true in some sense, false in another,
but, mark this part well, -
the sense in which is true
and the sense in which its opposite is true,
are not on the same level.
(Except when they are.)

The intuitive world is not in your mind,
it is in your hands.

The intelligible world is in your mind,
and out of your hands.

The Universe is Mental,
And so are we.

posted November 10, 2007 02:07 PM         

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The Universe is Mental,
And so are we.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qANMjwLmo6Y

posted November 12, 2007 03:41 PM         

I do agree Life is not a mystery to be solved. When one mystery is solved another always opens up. Let it unfold and let you suck the beauty of life.

Whoever do not see complication in simple things do not see things clearly at all.
Therefore I have a special heart for Scorpios

They want to get at the bottom of things.

That Auroborous is also symbol related to scorpios. It is also a symbol of eternity and even reincarnation don't you think?
And a two headed auroboros also makes sense.
In that there are two turning points in the circle of __________.

There isn't nothing called nothing. There is always something there. There are groups of scientists who are exlporing the possibility of space/time always existing even before big bang. Perhaps we are close to solving the mystery or perhaps we never will.

Our body, mind, ego etc has been created by our creators to experience and enjoy creation. The way mind has been created is to give us the illusion of time. Before you read this, it has already became past didn't it? When we are in the present we can jump in to future or go back in past with a greater clarity. All this sounds very far stretched, but it is the only way to travel in time without an external device.

Free will is nothing but guiding our destiny consciously. It has nothing to do with God (in that God is omniscient, she is always there). When you go to store and want to buy a $2 item for $1 then , you put in the store something of equal value or more for the store owner and then get that $2 item.
This is to avoid negative consequence of payback. We cannot cheat time and since time is integral part of energy, we have to substitute an energy of equal or more import.
Hope all this makes sense. Hope I can write a book one day and go step step on what I mean. Its very hard to understand otherwise where I am coming from.

Listenstotrees:
Animals do not have free will in that they can't or won't evolve consciously. The only next evolution for animal is to be a human.
I think

Leave the wild to wild, mother nature takes care of them much better than we humans do. humans should do all they can in their means to help nature.

I started a thread science of enlightenment but that didn't go far in a way I expected, I am not sure what transpired there. But its a good place to look at questioning.

It is absolutely OK to doubt. Its ok to be confused. Its a sign of intellect. Before the cosmos was a primordial soup and then creation began beautifully. So if we came from chaos, why not show characteristics of chaos such as confusion.

posted November 12, 2007 04:15 PM         

Hehehe....why do I use words such as Ye, etc. Does it make the past vivid?
What words do I use if I want to bring readers to the future.

How about "Heh all of you. You are programmed to be happy".

posted November 12, 2007 04:38 PM         

You are free beings. free to do anything, even quit your guru.

Believe in your potential. And you will do good.

posted November 12, 2007 05:00 PM         

However, I'm not so sure whether there are as many "gray areas" as he just illustrated.

All we talk about is merely our concept of things from our limited viewpoints.

The "void" is a concept people thought of, so many years ago.

So many concepts.

But there can only be one truth.

The only way to find it is not to think of it, but to touch it. To become it.

posted November 12, 2007 05:04 PM         

May you find what you are looking for

posted November 12, 2007 05:04 PM         

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humans should do all they can in their means to help nature.

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Every little helps.

Every single soul that has been rescued or helped in some way counts!

posted November 12, 2007 05:07 PM         

Just kidding.

posted November 12, 2007 05:09 PM         

I do think, while there is so much suffering in the world, the priority/ duty for all compassionate and wise people at this present time is to do whatever they can to help bring about change and mercy.

Peace of mind can be a selfish thing, and selfishness is not spiritual.

posted November 12, 2007 05:20 PM         

Did you see the movie "What the bleep do we know?"

posted November 12, 2007 05:36 PM         

And therefore reasoning is linear and not of much use.

There is another type of knowledge which we must realize and without which one can never understand anything he knows.

posted November 12, 2007 05:44 PM         

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Intellectualism is linear just as time appears linear.

And therefore reasoning is linear and not of much use.

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Intuition....yes, but the only problem I have with intuition is that people easily confuse intuition with emotion. I know I do. How many of us have found that our hearts have lied to us in some way? All I expect.

When I wrote my previous post I was thinking of the truth as simply being God.

posted November 12, 2007 05:45 PM         

No. I don't agree to that because I now understand what mind is. More later.

>>>Unconditional love is the real truth.

Uncondition is also a condition hence not my truth.