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Topic: Enlightenment, Determinism and Free Will
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Mannu
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posted November 12, 2007 05:47 PM
 
I heard this definition of truth from a virgo priest of an anglo church in UK. Boy he was well read.He said "Does your truth make you joyous and not feel guilty? If it does then make that your truth, if does not discard it."
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ListensToTrees
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From: the capricious clouds, in the land formerly known as Albion
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posted November 12, 2007 05:50 PM
Because it's infinite love.  IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 12, 2007 05:52 PM
Indeed words have limitations in that they create conflicts.>>>Intuition....yes, but the only problem I have with intuition is that people easily confuse intuition with emotion
Its easy to confuse because even emotions are a part of us. This is something I myself need to master. And I am not certain on what the real truth is. Jesus is claimed to have cried outside Lazarus's cave before saying loudly "Lazarus , wake up."
Why would gurus cry if they have an handle on their emotions? Perhaps I already know the truth and not able to verbalize it. Or perhaps I don't. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
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posted November 12, 2007 06:16 PM
Because I don't think you can be in the body, and not of it.By the way, the quote was from a different movie to the one you mentioned- the one I mentioned is a great movie called "Powder". IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 12, 2007 06:19 PM
>>>>Because I don't think you can be in the body, and not of it.Why was he successful in fasting then? The Lazarus episode is at a time after Jesus has conquered his self. Calling in mind the Geeta "Who is the field and the knower of the field?". Mind boggling philosophy, that ancient book. Hehehe... IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 12, 2007 06:20 PM
Powder - yeah I gotto see that movie.
Is that a UK film?
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ListensToTrees
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posted November 12, 2007 06:23 PM
No, American.And anyone can achieve fasting if they put their minds to it, Mannu. What I'm saying is that when we incarnate into a body, the nature of what we are sort of becomes that body. I don't find it strange that a loving wise man would cry, no. On the contrary, I feel that wise people are those who have opened their hearts and do cry.  Closing the heart is not wise.
Sympathy is wise because the force of infinite love then expresses itself through us.   IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 12, 2007 06:25 PM
>>>Brandon Lee was correct, in the film "The Crow", when he said
"Nothing is trivial!!!!"
So why will he say Nothing is trivial?
Am I supposed to read it literally?
By the way theres a book on "Theory of everything" from John Barrow. I didn't read it but someone recommended it to me. He surely makes you think they say.
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Mannu
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posted November 12, 2007 06:28 PM
>>>>I don't find it strange that a loving wise man would cry, no. On the contrary, I feel that wise people are those who have opened their hearts and do cry. I know spiritual persons are loving and kind. But just as two blind friends can't help each other much. How can two emotional people get anywhere?
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Mannu
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posted November 12, 2007 06:32 PM
>>>Sympathy is wise because the force of infinite love then expresses itself through us.
I agree to that. The danger of being an empath is that, you will become the energy itself and beyond control. Just as a psychiatrist must never become the energy of the subjects. He needs to be strong and in control of the situation all the time.
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Mannu
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posted November 12, 2007 06:39 PM
>>>And anyone can achieve fasting if they put their minds to it, Mannu
So if mind controls body. Who then controls the mind ?
Again calling in the Geeta.
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Mannu
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posted November 12, 2007 06:42 PM
Heh don't give yourself the headache.I already have researched the answers, I am just making you think thats all  IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
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posted November 12, 2007 07:02 PM
quote:
I know spiritual persons are loving and kind. But just as two blind friends can't help each other much. How can two emotional people get anywhere?
For everything, there is a Season.   IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
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posted November 12, 2007 07:03 PM
quote:
I agree to that. The danger of being an empath is that, you will become the energy itself and beyond control. Just as a psychiatrist must never become the energy of the subjects. He needs to be strong and in control of the situation all the time.
I have learned that the only way to deal with it is to channel it into something positive. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
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posted November 12, 2007 07:06 PM
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So why will he say Nothing is trivial?
Am I supposed to read it literally?
Nothing is trivial. God Consciousness expresses his/ her self through all these things.It is the innocent things which are the best. IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 12, 2007 07:08 PM
>>>Nothing is trivial. God Consciousness expresses his/ her self through all these things.So everything is Good isn't it because its from God.
>>>>It is the innocent things which are the best
So can a innocent soul ever get hurt?
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Mannu
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posted November 12, 2007 08:33 PM
>>>I have learned that the only way to deal with it is to channel it into something positive And that positive to me is God or existence often
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ListensToTrees
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posted November 12, 2007 08:46 PM
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>>>Nothing is trivial. God Consciousness expresses his/ her self through all these things.So everything is Good isn't it because its from God.
>>>>It is the innocent things which are the best
So can a innocent soul ever get hurt?
I don't think everything is from God, nor is it good. The mystery of "The Fall" is still one I'm working on. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross
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From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
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posted November 12, 2007 08:58 PM
quote:
The danger of being an empath is that, you will become the energy itself and beyond control. Just as a psychiatrist must never become the energy of the subjects. He needs to be strong and in control of the situation all the time.
True. Its a balancing act. You want to remain open,
and not deny your subject empathy,
which is ultimately the greatest gift. One needs to find outlets. Protection is important. There are spells and charms for protection,
and psychics often recommend them to empaths. IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 12, 2007 08:59 PM
>>>>>There are spells and charms for protection,
and psychics often recommend them to empaths.
No all that is BS.
Nothing from outside will make salvation or the problem we need to address here possible.
Its only the inside that matters.
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Heart--Shaped Cross
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From: 11/6/78 11:38am Boston, MA
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posted November 12, 2007 09:03 PM
Hi Mannu
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No all that is BS.
Nothing from outside will make salvation or the problem we need to address here possible.
Its only the inside that matters.
What "outside"? What "inside"? No such thing. In order to make use of something "out there",
you first have to be open to it "in here". Thats all that means to me. Close your heart and mind,
and the world really is "out there". That's how I see it. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
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posted November 12, 2007 09:05 PM
An object from the "outside" can be useful in the sense that it helps us to focus. This is very very useful, but not necessary.IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted November 12, 2007 09:20 PM
>>>What "outside"?
What "inside"?
No such thing.
As long as we have human bodies we must come to an understanding of inside. It is this I was insisting all along.
It is why spirituality flows East to West. Outside matters too. But short on time to expound.
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ListensToTrees
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posted November 12, 2007 09:24 PM
True, but it's not so short while we're in it....IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees
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posted November 12, 2007 09:26 PM
Mannu.....what is the meaning of life? I'm just curious if you can sum it up in a few sentences....anything you have learned from your gurus.IP: Logged |
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