posted November 05, 2007 02:26 AM         

1. All of us are already enlightened. By enlightenment I mean coming to an acceptance that 'ye are really God'.

2. If 1. above implies determinism then so be it.

3. What about my free will then? Well it exists and it does not exist. Let me explain. The earth is the proverbial garden of Eden for me. I have free will in that I can move anywhere, eat anything, etc.
It sounds so boring. Well it is boring at times. There fore my motto in life is :

Eat when eating, Sleep when sleeping, read when reading,trading stocks when trading stocks, fishing when fishing, vacationing when vacationing (damn the cell phones)....blah blah

That is doing whatever you are doing without the interference of other thoughts. If people are day dreaming, unless its a classroom its all right

So when does free will does not exist? Its when an awakening happens with in you.
The blissful energy of God touches you.
You experience oneness as it should be experienced.

How can I achieve that state? Well thats the thing, its a very subjective question and I need to understand everything of that person. To give you an example if there are 10 doors there may be 10,000 keys and only 10 keys will unlock each door.
Sometimes unlocking one has a cascade effect and you do not need the other 9.

posted November 05, 2007 11:03 PM         

Imagining void I think is a impossibility. So I find it hard at the moment to imagine it.

On the other hand thinking everything around us as energy and the more subtler the energy gets we reach our Godhood or Satori moments or call it whatever makes sense to you.

Let me explain : We all heard the ancient saying "We are are spiritual beings having human experience". Thats a very profound truth. If it was the other way, humans will always feel bounded and never reach enlightenment. Like it or not, they are illusions. Do not hold to the idea or notion of liberation and you are already liberated. The fact that it is the other way way implies, that the ignorance of human beings is nothing compared to the energy of the All. Sooner or later the ignorance of man is destroyed and he feels connected to everything around him. The concept of "You" , "Others" vanishes because the concept of "I" within you has vanished. That is oneness.

When the awakening arises you will realize that you are in everything and everything is in you. The air that you breathe brings in life and the air that you release makes you die for a moment.

This drama of life continues and the energy of the All makes sure that you get enlightened before you merge back in to him.

Free will exists because of the notion of seperatedness from the All. Determinism is like saying you will take x number of breadth before you reach the state of enlightenment. But that is not true in reality. We have to define what is determinism.

Anyhow, the way I visualize enlightenment is movements of consciousness. We are consciouness itself not seperate from it.

I have said so many things in the past about Genesis and when I look back those words were without understanding.

When I read Genesis a few weeks ago I had a satori moment and I screamed "OMG". When I read:

And God said "Let us make man in our image......"

God = the All, the Whole. We all were there.

We all collaborated and made (architected)the universe. We are all the intelligence behind it all.

posted November 06, 2007 01:55 AM         

We share in the life of God in our souls and we were given the gift of free will to choose.

posted November 06, 2007 03:08 AM         

You say that because that is what you were told or perhaps read. I too many many times refer to books to validate what I am. But trust me its a wrong manner. How many times have we not done in a situation what we saw in movies or tv. We are shown in TV, a perfect vacation is sitting by the ocean by your spouse and a bottle of wine. When we are in that situation, we soon become insensitive to that view. Has it happened to you?

Theres a reason why I chose a path of not referring to books I think. And it makes sense to me now more than it ever did. You see everyone describes God uniquely. The "theory of relativity" by Einstein is but a poem that he wrote of God. God is so huge, so enormous that no one gets the whole view.
Each one describes a poem and it is nothing but one attribute of God. A biologist, a chemist, a microbiologist, etc...all are but discovering an attribute of God.

I already got the vision of one Cosmos thru my third eye. It was like gazing at a crystal ball with one eye ball. Is it unique , no. A few days some one at LL came and described what she wrote and it was similar to mine and I said ah ha.

I know I am progressing in the right direction, if those are the right words. Its a message from God , I think that I am on the right path. I have many more experiences to share. At times I think God does not want people to bring back the same experiences to All. Its useless.

Reading many books by half gurus can be dangerous because our subconcious reads everything and our subjective experience gets distorted because of lack of clarity.
Read books of authors that have experienced truth. They sow the right seeds in you and you don't have to worry about eliminating the weeds.

posted November 06, 2007 03:19 AM         

Waves are part of the ocean, it raises and then falls back to the ocean. When it stands tall it gets a feeling of being disconnected but when it falls back to the ocean , it is the ocean. The I looses its identity and becomes one with the Eternal. It is the best analogy I think that gives encouragement to people struggling with definitions such as children God, Father God. etc.

posted November 06, 2007 03:27 AM         

Reading books of authors who needs to be congratulated is like giving BJ to that person who always receives but never gives back

Now what I say, will not make any sense. Perhaps somewhere out there there is someone like me and who will do better things than me. I have to share those thoughts of encouragement for him. May be he/she will not get dissapointed.

posted November 06, 2007 03:37 AM         

That of Master/Disciple or Guru/Disciple.

This could be Son/Mother or Father/Daughter or Friend/Friend any combinations.

A master exists because theres a need for the disciple. There is a utility in that relationship. When the disciple learns, the Guru/disciple relationship dissolves in the oneness.

Do not bow down to people who are not humble. When you meet a guru who you think is humble the intelligence of the All in you will automatically pay respect to him/her. Like how flowers bend towards the sun.

posted November 06, 2007 04:32 AM         

Perhaps you are trying to get a vision from two earth eyes. That is trying to look outside from the outside. God does not have just one form it has many. It also does not have form, for people who meditate on her when they reach that state in their being.

See now I will be spiralling towards a very complicated teaching. I will hold on to that unless you have atleast one experience of being connected to the All.

Just know this that we are all interconnected to each other and to the All. I see all of you within me and somewhere I see my I in you.

posted November 06, 2007 05:40 AM         

But the more spiritual we are, the more we can embrace all. The more we forgive, the more we understand, the more we try to bring out the best in each other.

posted November 06, 2007 01:29 PM         

Exactly, they have lost their centers due to ignorance or call it whatever. But we must not. See for a man its easy to hold his center. And I gather since you are a woman its difficult for you at times to hold yours. Theres a bit of woman in a man and a bit of man in every woman. Life is nothing but psychological drama. In the end no ones is judged every one is declared free of sin.

>>>>The more we forgive, the more we understand, the more we try to bring out the best in each other.

When you are centered, you are in love with you first and automatically with all of creation. Such a zone cannot be described in words. It can only be achieved. Understanding comes because of Love. Forgiveness follows understanding.

Love is like a cloud that holds all the tears ready to burst. When it bursts it annihilates everything in its path. Only a person who has seen and experienced all aspects of Love can handle those tears.

>>>I try to see the good in people as much as I can.
When you are full of love that will come automatically. Good / bad are subjective.

>>>This is just recognizing the light/ divine spark that is in all. The things that hold people back from their "light" is just a part of the distortion.

Yes it is distortion. No man lives on an island. They all live on continents. Have to say some more but time is calling.

posted November 06, 2007 01:41 PM         

I think the secret he must have held was when we go thru the ups and downs of life. We are never conscious of anything that we go thru. Why do some people have difficulty leaving smoking?

Thats why I say its dangerous to quote dead people or people on past posts. they are never there if you ask them where were they coming from? Thats the reason I think st thomas acquinos gave up writing when he achieved oneness.

Or William Blake said "Truth can never be told so as to be understood, and not be believ'd".

posted November 06, 2007 01:55 PM         

Mirandee , we first need to define God and Humans. When you 100 percent define each one, perhaps you will restate your sentence.

May we all achieve the blissful state of consciousness within us.

posted November 06, 2007 04:18 PM         

quote:

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"Truth can never be told so as to be understood, and not be believ'd". -William Blake

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posted November 06, 2007 05:32 PM         

Nice to see you again

quote:

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You are Creation and Creator
you are Energy and Truth
You are the architect of the Universe
You are the beginning and the end
You are the essence of the individual soul
And the in the five elements of earth, fire, water, air, ether
Glory be to our divine God

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posted November 06, 2007 06:08 PM         

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I was watching waves on the river yesterday so it is interesting to me that you also brought up waves. I was contemplating the wave/ripple as it would roll in and raise, and then lower, the carpet of river scum and pretty fall leaves near the shore. It was quite beautiful. The sunlight was shining down through darkened clouds and hit the center of the river with brilliant sparkles. The sparkles would stay in relatively the same place, while the water moved beneath them and away from them, leaving a space for new water to be "sparkled".

posted November 06, 2007 06:40 PM         

Namaste`

From an old post of mine:

I hold to the belief of Free Will. It is the way that we are created in the image of God.

Unless my maths are off in my morning mind meanderings.....
Here goes.....

FREE WILL=6+18+5+5+23+9+12+12=27=9
same as GOD
GOD/7+15+4=17=8=1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=36=9
a triangle or triple of 3.
FREE WILL IS of/from GOD.

We are God experiencing the human condition and learning and growing.
Creator/Reactor/Creation.
The Creator IS the Creation.

Just my opinion.