posted November 05, 2007 01:46 PM         

Ok. Can I have a refund, please?

This is all B/S!

But at least someone once wrote poetry about it:

To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause: there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life;
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office and the spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action. - Soft you now!
The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remember'd.

Ahhh....to sleep....

Perchance to dream

posted November 05, 2007 01:51 PM         

We can't change the world.
We can't change people; only inspire those who have ears, eyes.
We can only change ourselves.

posted November 05, 2007 02:18 PM         

Life is a roller coaster
Go thru it
One time, two times, ...
and then quit. Period.

posted November 05, 2007 02:19 PM         

I said to God, “Let me love you.”

And he replied, “Which part?”

“All of you, all of you.” I said.

“Dear” God spoke, “You are as a mouse wanting to impregnate

a tiger who is not even in heat. It is a feat way

beyond your courage and strength.

You would run from me

if I removed my

mask.”

I said to God again,

“Beloved I need to love you – every aspect, every pore.”

And this time God said,

“There is a hideous blemish on my body,

though it is such an infinitesimal part of my Being-

could you kiss that if it were revealed?”

“I will try, Lord, I will try.”

And then God said,

“That blemish is all the hatred and

cruelty in this

posted November 05, 2007 02:32 PM         

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Opposite of love is not hatred

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posted November 05, 2007 02:36 PM         

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Why do see unhappiness around you?
I don't.

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posted November 05, 2007 03:11 PM         

Thomas Aquinas
Summa Theologica

If it were not for some [divine] power that wanted the feminine sex to exist, the birth of a woman would be just another accident, such as that of other monsters.

posted November 05, 2007 03:24 PM         

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We can only change ourselves.

And we can't save the world.

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I don't like the way God made this world with diseases, famine and pedophiles. And I don't like the way he made me. I feel trapped in this body because I feel I can't be who I truly want to be.

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You are young, beautiful, from what I have seen, fit too, and have lovely children. Take care of yourself and them. Forget the rest for now.
Many of us do not like the bodies we are in but that is your body, find a way to accept it. What is it you want to be?
And why?

posted November 05, 2007 03:29 PM         

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As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from defect in the active force or from some material indisposition. (Source Book, 211)

Thomas Aquinas
Summa Theologica

If it were not for some [divine] power that wanted the feminine sex to exist, the birth of a woman would be just another accident, such as that of other monsters.

Thomas Aquinas
De Veritate

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posted November 05, 2007 03:34 PM         

Maybe he was having a bad break-up. hehe

Old dudes and their dogma, can live with them... oh wait, don't have to live with them. Just take what is praise-worthy and praise it.

posted November 05, 2007 03:53 PM         

But it only appears that way. Go experience the deepest pain and you will automatically be raised up and later pains will never be the same again. Just go thru the pain consciously.

If Sun = Father
Moon = Mother.

Because of woman life exists. Because of Moon there is life on earth. Who causes high tides and low tides? Weather exists because of those tides. Rain gets created because of weather. Crops grow because of rain.

I salute all your sacrifices.

Hope this will cheer you up.

posted November 06, 2007 07:31 AM         

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“There is a hideous blemish on my body,

though it is such an infinitesimal part of my Being-

could you kiss that if it were revealed?”

“I will try, Lord, I will try.”

And then God said,

“That blemish is all the hatred and

cruelty in this

world.”

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Cruelty= the powerlessness of a being to the inflictions and torture caused by another.

No, I can't love that.

posted November 06, 2007 07:51 AM         

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Many of us do not like the bodies we are in but that is your body, find a way to accept it. What is it you want to be?
And why?

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Good advice. I just wrote this in Tigerlilly's thread:

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I know what you mean by having chosen a difficult blueprint to live in. I think I was born with mild dyspraxia or something like that. When you don't have the knowledge or ability to think about these things and you are just s child, etc, the cruel things people tell you- you take to heart. You believe them. You believe that you are no good.

I haven't taken driving lessons because I know how bad my co-ordination is. Not being able to drive puts a lot of limitations on life. I don't know if it is dsypraxia, or something else, similar. In any case, I've spent many years just locked away in my own solitude. I've never felt like I've fitted in anywhere. I long for a sense of "belonging". I feel lately that my life has no purpose. I wish I could make myself happy so I could be a source of strength to others, but I don't know how......because all these inner demons have not been overcome, and because I feel I haven't "achieved" anything in life. I've always felt like a burden. I find it very difficult to love myself at times.

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I feel I need to find a way to love myself and understand why things are the way they are.
I feel I need to find a purpose and sense of belonging.
I need to find the things I am good at.
I need to find a way to feel connected.

Perhaps this world just isn't made with employment allowing for "labour of love" right now. In my opinion, everyOne has a part of them which is creative and should be allowed to create. Instead, humans are like caged birds, forced to work in factories and in repetitive jobs on the minimum wage. It's soul destroying and we deserve better than that.

The opportunities just aren't there. Things are better in some ways than they used to be, but the world is still far from being fair.

When I was younger, I used to enjoy watching Star Trek TNG on TV, and I wonder why life on Earth couldn't be more like that.....it felt like being stuck in a time capsule.

I've always loved singing, but the actual voice box I was born with isn't that strong or special. I could, however, use it for music such as folk, which is cool enough. I suppose I just need the will power to manifest my dreams, and the strength to cope with all the rejection I must face in the world before I make it to any reward. I'm probably too much of a delicate person to really try at anything like that, but I can still do things for myself.

posted November 06, 2007 09:22 AM         

"We can't save the world".

But maybe God can.
Maybe God has a plan.

And maybe it's gradually manifesting itself through each and every one of us, which we can support depending on our choices.....and if we make the wrong choices perhaps God can use His/ Her power to re-balance things in other ways.......so we have a choice, through God in which we are One, each playing our part in the uni-verse.

posted November 06, 2007 11:14 AM         

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If it were not for some [divine] power that wanted the feminine sex to exist, the birth of a woman would be just another accident, such as that of other monsters.

Thomas Aquinas
De Veritate

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What a woman hating creep he was! And worse yet....some idiots actually sainted the ba$tard
May all his incarnations be as a woman until he gets it!

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I believe St Thomas is getting a bad rap here. Admittedly, Taken out of context it does look ugly. Put into context and with a correct translation, a different overview is presented.

*** So, again, in all charity and justice, the claim needs to die. In fact, the claim, which is simply false of Aquinas, and utter nonsense in light of the actual texts, simply obscures the real issues of sexism here. More on that later. First I want to address a passage (De Veritate 5.9 ad 9) that Bates, rather mysteriously, thinks supports his case:

Nisi ergo esset aliqua virtus quae intenderet femineum sexum, generation feminae esset omnino a casu, sicut et aliorum monstrorum.

Which Bates translates (again, mysteriously) as:

If it were not for some [divine] power that wanted the feminine sex to exist, the birth of a woman would be just another accident, such as that of other monsters.

But this is assuredly not right. 'Intenderet', for instance, does not mean 'wanted'; something that 'intends' in the scholastic sense disposes something to some end. Further, it's pretty clear that it's not divine power that's in view in this particular context, but the power of the celestial bodies as universal causes. So the real meaning here is something like: Were it not that some power aimed at the feminine sex, the generation of woman would be wholly by chance as with other monsters. But this is easily understood. If nothing disposed things so as to produce females, females would be wholly accidental, like other things that are produced contrary to natural dispositions (monstrosities). But Aquinas, in fact, believes, and insists very clearly, that something does intend females; it is, in fact, very important for him to deny that women are omnino a casu like monsters. I don't see how this can be misunderstood. It's right there in the text when read as a whole. ***
http://branemrys.blogspot.com/2007/03/aquinas-on-women.html

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posted November 06, 2007 12:23 PM         

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If it were not for some [divine] power that wanted the feminine sex to exist, the birth of a woman would be just another accident, such as that of other monsters.
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De Veritate

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What a woman hating creep he was! And worse yet....some idiots actually sainted the ba$tard
May all his incarnations be as a woman until he gets it!

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I believe St Thomas is getting a bad rap here. Admittedly, Taken out of context it does look ugly. Put into context and with a correct translation, a different overview is presented.

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i think you may have missed the entirety of the post to which Fayte's response was directed ~

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As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from defect in the active force or from some material indisposition. (Source Book, 211)
Thomas Aquinas
Summa Theologica

If it were not for some [divine] power that wanted the feminine sex to exist, the birth of a woman would be just another accident, such as that of other monsters.

Thomas Aquinas
De Veritate

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What a woman hating creep he was! And worse yet....some idiots actually sainted the ba$tard
May all his incarnations be as a woman until he gets it!

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so, she wasn't in fact, making her assessment based upon just the quote you mention. there were other factors that she considered in saying what she did. it appears that you took her words somewhat out of context as well.

posted November 06, 2007 12:45 PM         

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Old dudes and their dogma, can live with them... oh wait, don't have to live with them. Just take what is praise-worthy and praise it.

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MysticMelody
As it seems so much of our treasured knowledge and wisdom comes from those old dudes, it's my opinion that we can still value what truths they grasped while equally releasing any of their negative ideas from our own consciousness. (And the reverse is true, as well. Just because Hitler was a vegetarian doesn't itself mean vegetarianism is wrong.) Evolving doesn't mean trashing everything that came before ... just expanding upon the positive. And everyone's got some sort of a filter on no matter how inspired they are. Just think how some of our "modern" ideas will look to some 1000 years from now.

posted November 06, 2007 01:02 PM         

since it seems to have spurred further discourse, here's more on his position, which i believe is quite relevant, given his profound influence in shaping the institution of christianity ~

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The greatest scholastic theologian of all was the "Angelic Doctor", Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274). In line with the position of his teacher, Albertus Magnus, Aquinas was equally convinced of woman's inherent inferiority to man. To him, woman is a product of environmental pollution. Women were not, he taught, "nature's first intention" which aims at perfection but "nature's second intention" which conforms to such things as "decay, deformity and the weakness of the age." Women are less intelligent than men. Men have "more perfect reason" and "stronger virtue" than women. The intellectual defects of women, according to Aquinas, is similar to those "evident in children and mentally ill persons." Women are also less resistant to sexual temptation than men "Because there is a higher water content in women, they are more easily seduced by sexual pleasure."

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