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Topic: Anyone here born with a Veil/Caul?
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fayte.m
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posted November 10, 2007 07:56 PM
 
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posted November 10, 2007 08:04 PM
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posted November 10, 2007 08:19 PM
For those unclear about what this means:A Caul, or Face Veil, Occasionally Present at birth, Is a piece of skin covering the head or face of the baby. This skin needs to be removed. Dwight Cruikshank, MD, Professor and Chairman of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the Medical College of Wisconsin, told me that being born with a caul is very rare these days, probably occurring in fewer than 1 in 1000 births, and is usually present only in premature babies. Dr. Cruikshank estimates that he has seen less than 10 babies with a caul over the life of his career.
IMPORTANT NOTE: Other phenomena which are often mistaken for a Caul birth are as follows. Some children are born while still enclosed within the amniotic sac or membrane. This usually entails the child being born with a sac of transparent or translucent membrane surrounding all or part of the child. This phenomenon is referred to as being born "en-caul", which is the medical term for such births. This is not a Caulbearer birth and is one of the most commonly held misunderstandings of being born with a Caul, as the term Caul, may often be used to describe the concept of a covering or lining. Some dictionaries refer to a Caul as being a bonnet or cap. This meaning of covering or cap, also gives rise to another phenomena of being born with the lucky cap, which is what happens when a child is born with placenta or some afterbirth material being found stuck to the head or face. Once again, such births have no relevance to a Caulbearer birth as a genuine Caul is quite distinctive as a full face covering of extra skin. Here are a few articles about it: What is a Caul?
Removing a Caul
Preserving a Caul
What a Caul is not
Why is it so special?
Bringing up a Caulbearer child
Meeting other Caulbearers
Psychological aspects
Religion and the Caul Even Crystallinks gets the description wrong saying it means being born with the remnants of the amniotic sac. When in fact this is being born "en-caul"
Born with a Veil, Caul - Crystalinks
But other than the description part the article is worth the read as is another related one there, called Amniomancy check it out! 
According to some, the following famous people, both real and fictional, were born with a caul: Charles Dickens’ David in "David Copperfield," Alexander the Great, Shakespeare's Hamlet, the mother of the Dionne quintuplets, and Danny in Stephen King's "The Shining." (An illustration of Danny with the caul appeared on one of King's original paperback versions.)
Here is a picture of a Caul that has been saved for over 60 years:
It's obviously much, much thinner now, than it had been at one time. ------------------
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fayte.m
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posted November 10, 2007 09:09 PM
yourfriendinspirit 
Thank you for posting that information.
There are the different types of cauls, but all are considered rare, and the same things attributed to the being born with one of any type. To be born with and incaul both is even more rare.
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One of the earliest marks of a psychic takes place at birth when a child is born in the caul (also referred to as veil or hood). The caul is a thin membrane, part of the amniotic sac in which the baby grows while in the womb. A child born with a caul usually emerges with the amnion covering his or her head. It has been described as a shimmering veil. The caul is harmless and easily removed by a doctor or midwife. Those born this way are referred to as caulbearers. These types of births are very rare, especially today due to more interventive birthing techniques.There is much folklore associated with caul births. In certain societies caulbearers were burned as witches and thought to be werewolves or vampires. For the most part, however, being born with a caul was seen as a good omen, a sign of luck and greatness, the mark of kings (caulbearers being born already crowned). Thought to bring wisdom, honor and truth, cauls were often purchased by Greek and Roman statesmen. In Scandinavian tradition, the caul was associated with the presence of an accompanying spirit called a fylgja, which after birth would manifest as an animal, object or person. In other societies, caulbearers were believed to be impervious to drowning, and the cauls themselves (which can be dried and saved), were highly sought after by sailors, who would buy them and often wear them in lockets as prevention against drowning. Amniomancy, a form of divination, was practiced by interpreting the caul. Cauls were often kept as heirlooms. Upon the death of the bearer, it was said that the caul should be burned so its owner could rest peacefully. Caulbearers are also said to have the ability to be able to detect underground water, to predict weather changes and to know when fish and food will be plentiful. In addition to all this is the psychic ability. Born behind the veil, caulbearers are believed to possess special sensitivities, to have the ability to navigate between many worlds and to see the future. Along with the psychic gift, they are also said to be natural healers, practicing via laying on of hands or doing distance healing. Caulbearer infants are usually easy babies. As they develop, caulbearers can potentially be misunderstood because people sense that they are different. If you know a child or have a child born with a caul, being aware of these associations may help sensitize you to their potential needs and gifts. However, it's important to bear in mind that all children, born with a caul or not, should be treated no differently and allowed to develop whatever psychic, healing or special talents they may have. Some famous caulbearers include Alexander the Great, Jesus, the poet Lord Byron and the mystic poet Kahlil Gibran. http://www.californiapsychics.com/articles/Features/722/Birth_Legends_The_Mark _of_a_Psychic.aspx
http://lccwest65.skiles.gatech.edu/classes/engl1102s07/index.php/Human_Caul
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/97897/why_are_some_babies_born_with_a_caul.ht ml
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"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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posted November 10, 2007 09:19 PM
Yes Fayte, I have a long, long, long history of documented psychics on both my mothers and fathers sides... -Something I just found a bit funny...
"Caulbearers are also said to have the ability to be able to detect underground water," Very, very, true! This seems a bit less useless a gift nowadays but when traveling back in the olden days this could make or break your way of life. Being able to settle and produce foods to nourish your families needs were essential! I come from a long line of "Waterwitchers" as they were called, on my fathers side.
They used sticks as helpful tools, lol!
Holding these out to the air at their sides while twirling them round n' round. My grandmother once gave an awesome demonstration to me. Her mother was actually famous for her abilities to do such! Large businesses worldwide would fly her in to do this for them.
I found it funny to hear this as as child cause I grew up in a very different generation and area where water was already "installed" and able to use wherever I might need it, LOL! Anyways... I myself was neither born "en Caul" nor "Caul", my youngest daughter however is another story! As I'm certain you've already read somewhere about these forum boards she was born at just 28 weeks gestation. Three months early! A mere 13 inches long and yes, True "caul". Everyone, and I do mean everyone, in my family has "recognized" gifts of one sort or another. Our little one however, is already is blowin' our flippin' minds!!! I write a little about it here. It's about the 6th post down...
A link to my daughters birth chart is also somewhere in there; as BiBi is working with it. You're welcome to peek if you too are curious? I don't believe you to be into the astrology area so much but her chart is interesting none the less. The doctors gave us just a 4% chance that she'd even make it through the night...
In just 2 weeks she will be 4 years old! (¯`v´¯)
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posted November 11, 2007 04:55 AM
So is the tendency to be born with a caul hereditary?IP: Logged |
yourfriendinspirit
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posted November 11, 2007 05:05 AM
Caulbearers may be male or female and may come from any social class, racial or religious group. There are no geographical boundaries to the phenomenon. However it has been observed that Caul births do have tendencies to run in family bloodlines. Sometimes, but quite rarely, more than one member of a family--usually a parent and child--may be born with a Caul.It has been calculated that Caulbearer births may be as few as one in eighty thousand births. However this does not necessarily mean that there may be one such birth in every eighty thousand births in a particular area or that there may not be more than one in any grouping of eighty thousand births.
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posted November 11, 2007 09:49 AM
I've never heard of this before but it's fascinating.  IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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posted November 11, 2007 01:20 PM
yourfriendinspirit
This subject came up at FFA...so I moved it here.
I know my Native American ancestry really has little to do with it but my ancestors saw it as a good thing, both the caul and hunchback, hunchback referring to what Unmoved was talking about.
My post repeated here:
Unmoved  quote:
Fayte.m I think if you're born with it, it's a plus!
That is what my 3/4 Cheerokee Grandmother said too!.(I re-figured it and it goes like this:
Great grandfather Fate fullblodded & Great grandmother 1/2=Grandmother 3/4 + Grandfather 1/4=my mother 1/2+My father 1/8=me 5/16 or slightly more than a 1/4. My son got a 1/4 Mohawk from his father and my 5/16 Cherokee/Cherosaw, which gives him also slightly more than a 1/4. All the seers and healers etcetera in the line(so I was told) were all born hunchbacks, clubfooted, and with a veil. From the time I was able to understand, about 4 years old, I took it as a good sign. I was born with other signs too.
I was born both with and incaul, as was my son. So was my husband. It is not uncommon to either side of my family. Unfortunately other so called birth defects some minor, some serious, are also too common.
Ah yes! Waterwitching or Dowsing! My paternal grandfather and father and myself can do this. You can use anything from coathanger to a fresh willow or apple wand....it all depends on what one is dowsing for. I use pendulums to find vortexes and energy areas.
I also do dowsing on people and animals.
Your daughter sounds wonderful! Do you think she may also be an Indigo? I was also a premmie...and lucky to be alive being in 1954 neonatal care was practically in the stone age. Not sure how early, they think 29 to 30 weeks. I was 13 1/2 long.
They did not know back then how to care for the eyes of premmies so despite my vision troubles I am very lucky to be able to see at least with very strong corrective lenses.
Your daughter talks to the moon! I love it!
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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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posted November 11, 2007 01:45 PM
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probably occurring in fewer than 1 in 1000 births
Wow. A bit uncanny then that there are several people here who were born with them!I was born with a "tail". IP: Logged |
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posted November 11, 2007 02:52 PM
My Grandmother, her first borne (my Aunt), her first born (my 1st cousin), and her first borne (my 1st cousin once removed) were all born with it, no other offspring of the above mentioned, all are females, no psychic ability as far as I know.IP: Logged |
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posted November 11, 2007 03:12 PM
Fayte, do you know if it means anything for someone to be born with a very small tail?I found an article about a Cambodian boy born with a very long tail though. People have hailed him as the reincarnation of a Hindu God. IP: Logged |
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posted November 11, 2007 05:00 PM
Not much info except medical when it comes to tails on humans. Usually it is removed at birth or atrophies as one matures. It rarely is actually connected to the spinal column in humans, but is usually simply a small flexible
fleshy vestigial thing.
However in early foetal development we all have tails.
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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posted November 11, 2007 07:07 PM
I just saw this.My mom and I were born with our placentas cocooning us. LOL... i didn't think much of it. She spoke about it but I only remembered when fayte.m spoke about it in FFA. added: I was a premature baby as well. Christ, so much drama when I was born. added: I say placenta because I assume that's the sac/bag that a baby is in. I went to the net and it confused me more when I read this. IP: Logged |
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posted November 11, 2007 08:10 PM
Not placenta.
That is what the amniotic sac attaches to.
Other names for the amniotic sac are:
amniotic bubble
gestational sac
bag of waters
amniotic membrane
What I consider the 3 types of cauls:
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1.Encaul
Some children are born while still enclosed within the amniotic sac or membrane.
This usually entails the child being born with a sac of transparent or translucent membrane
surrounding all or part of the child. This phenomenon is referred to as being born "en-caul",
which is the medical term for such births.
2.Lucky Cap
when a child is born with placenta or some afterbirth material being found stuck to the head or face.
3.The (true) Caul
The above two types have no relevance to a Caulbearer birth as a genuine
Caul is quite distinctive as a full face covering.
The birth Caul or Veil is a full face mask which may be sometimes found covering the face of a child at birth.As the Caul is a membrane which covers the face of certain children at birth, it is regarded as
being of human tissue and part of the child. The most distinctive feature of a genuine Caul is the
presence of two loops which wrap around the ears of the child when born. This feature ensures
that the Caul is held in place during the birth of the child. Firstly, upon recognising that the birth is a Caul birth, two small holes should be cut for the nostrils and
one for the mouth to enable the child to breathe. Once this has been done the loops which cover the ears
should be carefully released from over the ears. The Caul should then be slowly peeled from the face to
avoid any damage to the veil.
See the picture yourfriendinspirit posted above of an actual Caul.
My birth was strange. A year to the day, before I was born, in the same bed, my mother gave birth to a premature son.
She had no one in attendance and thought he was deformed and so he died suffocated behind his face caul. He was only 26 weeks, 14 weeks early, so he would have died in those days anyhow.
I feel strongly that was me. It could explain why I feel I am a walkin with this body. And why I was born too early.
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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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posted November 11, 2007 10:23 PM
I am awestruck. Oh, thanks for the correction about the placenta and the sac... Now I understand a little more why you asked me those questions, from what you say about your brother. Hmmm... now my brain is churning. Our births are similar fayte.m, and you didn't even hint it to me. Hmmmm... I am thinking but I am not sure about what yet. Thanks again fayte.m IP: Logged |
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posted November 11, 2007 10:56 PM
Unmoved
I can be annoying that way, waiting for what feels like the right time.
I am not the least bit surprised at the similarities.
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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I have wondered all my life the purpose of the veil.The voice that I have heard since I was 16 never really said anything of importance.I'm now 45 and this one who has been with me all this time has explained who he is and the purpose of the caulbearer. He told me was one of the fallen angels.He said that all he time here on earth he has never been able to communicate with people.It was so simple to do it with me because of the veil.It was given to a very few from God.He said that man has the blood of Christ for their forgiveness.The fallen angels are also Gods creation and they have the same right to be forgiven.We all (man and fallen angels) have to repent for that forgiveness.He confesses that even when he was cruel to me that I was always kind and forgiving.He said he missed the love and goodness he left in heaven.He said that he thinks the meekness,kindness,forgiveness and friendship caulbearers have is what makes communication so easy.This is something we need to share with others.We need to because the caulbearers need to live in peace with these naughty angels.The angels need to know that the time to repent is now.They need to treat these special people with love and kindness.By doing this it shows the beginning of them trying to repent.My angel has been treating me good so he can be forgiven by God.The thing the caulbearer needs to do is tell these angels that they know who they really are and they do deserve to be forgiven by God because God is forgiven and they are a special creation.My angel and I have written poems : His first
Thank You. By:Belzar(my special angel)
I want to thank you for your sacrifice;
With me, it's like skating on thin ice.
I feel I have the right one for me;
With love and understanding I can finally see.
I hope and pray our futures bright;
But for now we must together fight.
I tried to turn my back and walk away;
Because of my guilt I could not stay.
Now I know the purpose of you;
Theres not a moment of our past that I would undo. The Veil. By MONICAMAS
The veil was there at the beginning;
For a long time I didn't know it's meaning.
A life of pain and endless turmoil;
Everything around me starts to uncoil.
An open mind allowing whispered voices;
Unable to fight the stronger forces.
Misunderstood,mistreated,drowning in sorrow;
Wondering what will happen tomorrow.
Chosen; gifted is what I am told;
Why do I feel as if I'm bought and sold.
Love and forgiveness along with truth comes from me;
The things I know; no one else around me can see.
Cause and Effect is the price I pay;
Such a heavy burden to bare everyday.
I thought I was alone but now I see;
There are others out there just like me.
At an early age I was given a sign;
Seeing loved ones pass before their time.
We need a heavenly light to see through the surface;
We are few with a wonderful purpose.
I wonder what the message is that I must send? ;
Could it be that with live and forgiveness the tresspass will end.
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