posted March 07, 2010 09:35 PM            

An eye for an eye...
Getting off the Karmic "Payback Wheel".
Walking one's talk of peace.
Karma v/s Free Will.
A balance, a choice.
We can end the cycles.

If one goes out and hurts someone else because they've been hurt by that other, then that accrues another "debt" that they will have to repay at some future point in order to balance the energies they have misused, by lashing out again rather than forgiving. It is an unending cycle that only choice and free will can put an end to.
But even then...the person you owe or if you were the wronged party, you or they... can negate the debt and stop the payback cycle.
That is what "turning the other cheek" means too. Not to be hit again but to turn away and refuse to play the game. (Hee hee, I like to think it could mean to "moon" someone with those "other cheeks" saying in essence...Fu-k off! I am not going to fight you!)
And during every second of every day, We have Free Will. WE are free to choose our behavior, our reactions. Our free will could cause us to choose to act in a negative unloving manner, or it could cause us to choose to act in a positive and loving manner. In Essence....Karma and Free Will co-existing in a balance.
If one only follows Karma then the payback cycle continues. Two wrongs do not make a right. We have the free will to say no to the Karmic cycles of payback, and to not incur any new Karmic debts.
So I like to say......"get off the cross, they need the wood"....or "get off the wheel and walk your talk".
Feet can climb but a wheel cannot.
Feet can take us off the familiar paths, but the wheel must stay on the road.

Ok...

rant over!

(My old signature lines included just this once!)
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~I am still learning~ Michangelo
~I intend to continue learning forever~
~Do not seek wealth by way of the suffering of others.
~The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords.
~The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes.
~Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages.
~In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem.

posted March 20, 2010 03:25 PM            

I have often pondered this subject, mainly cause I do not want to be trapped within karmic obligations to my late husband, nor to my psycho ex bfriend, so I have adopted (alot due to info I recieved from this original thread) to just jump off the wheel and release any karma, good or bad to the universe.

Does not mean I go through life not caring what I do and without concern for the energy I am putting out there, I DO!

I just refuse to be trapped by somebody else's wrong doings to me, so I release them....and free me.

posted March 20, 2010 04:34 PM            

Lennon's "Wheels" is coming to mind now

"I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round, I really love to watch them roll, no longer riding on the merry-go-round, I just had to let it go...."

Hm...now off to Gypsee's thread!

posted April 07, 2010 05:06 PM            

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“If we were more scientifically advanced-or more spiritually advanced, maybe that’s what it actually takes to go voyaging around in the great what’s-out-there-we might see that there’s life everywhere. As many inhabited worlds and intelligent life-forms as there are anthills in this town.”

Stephen King

posted April 09, 2010 05:04 PM            

just "jump", that is, just make the choice to give it up to god and be within the divine presence of all that is...

"let go let god?"

leave it all behind, just step off the karmic wheel, and fall deep into the loving hands of the universe...

into grace.

i refuse to believe this is not a kind and loving existence, and i refuse to believe we are bound by our past actions and the actions of others toward us for eternity.

free will, we create our own existence.

and depression?

it consumes me at times.

posted April 09, 2010 08:24 PM            

quote:

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starr

just jump!

leave it all behind, just jump!!!

into grace.

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posted April 09, 2010 08:27 PM            

quote:

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There are times when I wish I could get off the wheel totally. But that's just the depression talking.

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posted April 09, 2010 08:52 PM            

no other meanings intended, maybe not jump, step perhaps?

sorry to offend will edit.

posted April 09, 2010 11:57 PM            

as you probably know, my late husband opted out...

wish/suggest this for anybody? (not to mention what my kids, his family and friends have suffered???)

nope.

it is all a choice.

posted April 10, 2010 12:00 AM            

again,

i digress

thank you, lexx for re-inventing this thread, but i shall back out now.

posted April 10, 2010 12:11 AM            

Yes I know of your late husband.
That is why I knew you were not suggesting it.

Please stay.{{{HUGS}}}

You understand too well the pain of it all.
There is at least one other here who has been through such a loss.
Your thoughts on such things could do much good for many folks.

posted April 13, 2010 09:06 PM            

'Our free will could cause us to choose to act in a negative unloving manner, or it could cause us to choose to act in a positive and loving manner. In Essence....Karma and Free Will co-existing in a balance.'

posted April 13, 2010 09:56 PM            

Me? Better in some ways, worse in others.
Still trying to recover from the horrid year of 2009.

How is life treating you?

posted April 14, 2010 06:10 AM            

doh! yes, 2009 was quite a curve...how is 2010 faring for you, any plans? life has been teaching me and treating me, much growing pains, but the year of the tiger has hope blossoming in buds so far so good *joyous clapping* . its good to speak to you again, got a lil lost for a while .