posted April 20, 2011 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
The Fraud "Guru" must have transferred a Demonic Spirit as a "contract" or deal using dark Tantrik Sex. He may have been the conduit to transfer the entity. The Entity now is a perfect psychic vampire, pretending to be a well wisher but enjoying the victim. A real Guru is never happy when his Disciple is sad. They take the karmas and pains of the disciples, not the other way round.
And one's Higher Self can only heal, not hurt. Yes, the energy of our Higher Self is intense but certainly not harmful. Higher Selves are NOT Masochistic.

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Thank you iQ. I feel deep in my bones, that what you're saying is the situation here.

But, why does this woman come my way? Am I at risk? How could I potentially be helpful to this woman in any way that I am qualified to be, as that is my instinct here...

posted April 20, 2011 10:57 AM            

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Originally posted by SunChild:
I believe essentially people choose their own path obviously, and it may seem totally insane to others, but when it becomes destructive you know something is not right. I don't know how much intervention is truly needed. Some come out, some do not.

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I thought of this situation, too. As I have met up with other people, "dark" people who I realized must have made some choice to go that way, because they are unresponsive to positive energy and health.

I don't want to believe that help is possible for this woman - if it's not. Not so naive anymore to believe that everyone dies at peace.

But, at the same time, I don't want to feel as if I didn't consider helping her. Or, consider the possibility of hope.

posted April 20, 2011 11:02 AM            

Yes. It is possible that she was picked out as an easy target, because she described herself specifically as "naive" when she talked about her decision to merge with her higher-self. She could very well have been a sitting duck.

Thank you for also pointing out that I may be dealing with a pseudo-sane personality. Of course, that would be a possibility... I don't know what to say.

Lastly, I will ask her for her birth information. And, then I will post her chart here for analysis.

Thank you.

posted April 20, 2011 11:06 AM            

Try not to let yourself get into fear-mode with this PS. They say that's what attracts negative energy and spirits, Fear.

posted April 20, 2011 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by abcd efg:
Genuine gurus are like a loving mother and a sensible firm father, both put together. They know their child and how far to go and where to stop. I think this #@^%#^%$% of a 'Guru' didn't know the abcd of spiritualism and left things when the situation turned out of hand. Or it could be case of black tantra as many have stated above. PS please ask her whether she would like to come out of this and is ready to receive help. Take your time. This will need both time and cajoling. In the meantime, you get hold of a GENUINE person to help you to protect yourself and to help her. Do you know anybody of such stature in your place?

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posted April 20, 2011 11:11 AM            

Also, the evaluating spiritual guidance is very helpful, too.

posted April 20, 2011 11:14 AM            

PS.
Another thing I have warned folks about;
See,
folks talk of the "light" and of "Spirit",
without getting an identification, without questioning exactly what they "think" they are communing with or allowing to guide them.
I have posted much on this topic.

posted April 20, 2011 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
Just my two cents It sounds vaguely familiar to me...
The highlight being that she sufferes severe repercussions if she were not to obey her spirit guide!must be a stubborn entity which has its wishes fulfilled by using her as a medium!
So on retrospection I could only attribute it to being something similar to exorcism!
Im just being doubtful and curious however rushing into an exorcism where one is not necessary can have serious consequences! So please be patient enough to understand her situation only after having a thorough check of her background ...you can try to help her...just in case to avoid back fire to you ps.
Here is a conscised list of how to identify
The warning signs of demonic possesion http://fspp.net/warn%20poss.htm http://www.spectralintelligencesolutions.com/demon_possession_facts.html

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Thank you, very much, Rajji. I would not even THINK of undertaking an exorcism. Only finding an avenue for her to get an exorcism...

posted April 20, 2011 11:16 AM            

Psychic Shield
by Caitlin Matthews

Chapter 5 "Soul Care"
Chapter 6 "Uninvited Guests"
Chapter 7 "Mind Games"
Chapter 8 "Power of the Word"

example of some of what the book's about.

posted April 20, 2011 12:58 PM            

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you do the drowning man no good if you can't swim either

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I like what emitres said. Especially that part.

Yes, sometimes it is best to just walk away. In this case, maybe you could hand her some helpful info, point her in some directions and let her take it from there. I have a feeling if you don't help her in at least some small way, it will bother you for awhile.

It's not your responsibility to save her, but as a fellow human being you may want to provide her with some info or options she hadnt thought of to help her save herself and make her feel less alone and hopeless.

This one may be too much for you (or anyone who isnt a professional) to handle. And yes, you do have to look out for yourself and protect yourself first.

posted April 20, 2011 01:07 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
I almost wonder if it's our first priority to protect ourselves? Are we called to help others in spiritual afflictions, or are they just outcasts?

Is it the spiritually healthy thing to walk away from a person like her?

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posted April 20, 2011 01:21 PM            

Good points. I may be tough, but not THAT tough. And, this is not the first time I've run across someone who is likely demon possessed.

The last time almost ruined my whole life

That is why I am being cautious. I would like to pass on helpful information. And, likely the points made here, I will combine and send to her... even at the risk of her not speaking with me anymore.

I don't speak with her frequently, but I know she would like to speak regularly. I just can't handle that kind of closeness... considering the implications.

However, I did just get a reply from her through email, and sent her another email asking for her birth info, in order to do a natal chart.

posted April 20, 2011 01:24 PM            

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I may be tough, but not THAT tough. And, this is not the first time I've run across someone who is likely demon possessed.

The last time almost ruined my whole life

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posted April 20, 2011 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by T:

...if I had a nickel for everytime............

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I'd be rich!!

And, the worst part is, I come out with more ticks, more aversions, more suspicion, more anxiety, more fear, every single time.

posted April 20, 2011 02:21 PM            

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Great to hear from you. Here's my chart info: Birthday September 22, 1949, in Lincoln Nebraska. My birth certificate says 6AM. I doubt that was really accurate....way back then I think they generalized quite a bit. Anyway, that should give you everything you need. If not, please let me know.

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posted April 20, 2011 03:53 PM            

there are some points, some questions that come to me when I read the thread.

1) why do you think you are meant to help her?

that is a deep question

also, I do not believe in demonic versus higher self. I do not subscribe to "evil" that can take over. I do not believe in the cristian rethoric of good versus evil

and... I do not believe in demonic spirit whatsoever. why? because I think that free will + the NATURE of the universe are not set up in ways that allow dark entities to rob people of their power.

I would have to explain myself better on this matter because here the problem with this so called demons lies in oversimplification. unfortunately, I don't have the time and energy to develop.

regarding this lady issue, after questioning your own feeling that you are meant to get her out of a perceived trouble, I would look at her natal chart since it is provided.

her time of birth may not be exact, but to me, it is likely that her rising is virgo because I suppose that she was born before 6 and not after, since I would expect a nurse that doesn't care about the time to have round up the time to the nearest hour, and it would have had to be almost half past 6 for her rising to become libra, and I suspect that even a "lazy" nurse would have round the time to 6:30 am and not 6.

all that because I consider chiron the ruler of virgo. not everyone does, I know.

her chiron (for me her chart ruler) is semi square mercury and jupiter rulers of her MC and IC. it is on the mercury jupiter midpoint who are in square to each other. I leave out the quincunx to uranus I don't know how to interpret it. but her axis of her roots and what she aspires to be is in a tense aspect to her chart ruler.

also her murcury is afllicted. it is retrograde, conjunct the south node. I have an afflicted mercury too, also not retrograde, but conjunct the south node and ruler of 12th and in pisces. let say that it is troublesome to express oneself. it is like feeling sometimes unable to fully express oneself. and hers is conjunct neptune so it works like for my mercury in pisces. the understanding is erratic and doesn't come in a logical way, but somehow and sometimes.

my impression is that there is nothing about evil, except, forgive my sarcasm, the glamourof speaking of others suffering from "dark" entities coming from god knows where, demons attacking from the astral world. it sounds like a promising scenario of a blockbuster, but nothing else, TO ME.

I think this women came to this world with the potential to be misled, but also with the free will to choose to corrct that. why did she had this possibilty? only her soul, and god knows I believe. and she was unfortunate enough to be let down by this guru. she is probably a gullible person that was led astray at some point, and her afflicted mercury didn't help her a bit.

posted April 20, 2011 04:00 PM            

I appreciate your contribution. Please tell me what you would recommend for this woman... as in, how would you help her?