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Topic: English... Really a living language??
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Icygrace Knowflake Posts: 83 From: Mumbai, Maharashtra, India Registered: Jan 2013
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posted January 28, 2013 08:01 AM
Hi everyone, This question has been nagging me since the time i read in star signs that English is the ONLY language of power, and that it was the first language ever spoken. I cannot bring myself to agree with it. I'm from India, and I know Sanskrit, many words used in English are directly taken from Sankrit. "Karma" itself, the meaning "act", is a word from Sanskrit. Kundalini, Kali (Goddess of rage), Chakra and Siva (Shiva, the destroyer) are all words from Sanskrit. some words have been manipulated, such as Wagon - from the Sanskrit word, "Wahan", meaning a vehicle, and so on. So, her interpretation doesn't help me get it. I know that numerology and lexigramming reveal alot from words of English, but what if the letters from Sanskrit also might have numbers assigned to them? and that it might just be hidden from us yet? or is it that (quite silly of me), that Sanskrit might be the first language spoken on earth, but its script could be in English?IP: Logged |
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posted January 28, 2013 08:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by Icygrace: Hi everyone, This question has been nagging me since the time i read in star signs that English is the ONLY language of power, and that it was the first language ever spoken. I cannot bring myself to agree with it. I'm from India, and I know Sanskrit, many words used in English are directly taken from Sankrit. "Karma" itself, the meaning "act", is a word from Sanskrit. Kundalini, Kali (Goddess of rage), Chakra and Siva (Shiva, the destroyer) are all words from Sanskrit. some words have been manipulated, such as Wagon - from the Sanskrit word, "Wahan", meaning a vehicle, and so on. So, her interpretation doesn't help me get it. I know that numerology and lexigramming reveal alot from words of English, but what if the letters from Sanskrit also might have numbers assigned to them? and that it might just be hidden from us yet? or is it that (quite silly of me), that Sanskrit might be the first language spoken on earth, but its script could be in English?
At the risk of upsetting some folks; Linda was wrong. Any language is valid on all counts. English was not the first or pan language. English as you have indicated, is an amalgam of many other earlier languages, a literal melting pot of other languages. Drop over to Lexigram Magic sometime. Linda also made many errors in her Lexigramming attempts, and invalid statements in her rules concerning them. One example is here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/002034.html Some information concerning the first written languages: quote: List of languages by first written accounts See more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_first_written_accounts
quote: First millennium BC With the appearance of alphabetic writing in the Early Iron Age, the number of attested languages increases. With the emergence of the Brahmic family of scripts, languages of India are attested from after about 300 BC.[a] The Cypro-Minoan and Cypriot syllabaries remain undeciphered. Phoenician - about 1000 BC Aramaic - c. 950 BC Hebrew - c. 950 BC: Gezer calendar Moabite - c. 840 BC: Mesha Stele Phrygian - c. 800 BC Ammonite - c. 800 BC: Amman Citadel Inscription Old North Arabian - c. 800 BC Old South Arabian - c. 800 BC Etruscan - c. 700 BC Umbrian - c. 600 BC North Picene - c. 600 BC Lepontic - c. 600 BC Tartessian - c. 600 BC Lydian - c. 600 BC[9] Carian - c. 600 BC[9] Thracian - c. 6th century BC Venetic - c. 6th century BC Old Persian - c. 500 BC: Behistun inscription Latin - c. 500 BC: Duenos Inscription[15] South Picene - c. 500 BC Messapian - c. 500 BC Gaulish - c. 500 BC Mixe–Zoque - c. 500 BC: Isthmian script (disputed) Oscan - c. 400 BC Iberian - c. 400 BC Meroitic - c. 300 BC Faliscan - c. 300 BC Volscian - c. 275 BC Middle Indo-Aryan (Prakrit) - c. 260 BC: Edicts of Ashoka[16][17] Tamil - 3rd century BC: cave inscriptions and potsherds in Tamil Nadu[18] Galatian - c. 200 BC Pahlavi - c. 130-170 BC Celtiberian - c. 100 BC History Of Writing ]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_writing
quote: Although some people believe Arabic was the first language ever spoken, Sumerian, Elamitic and Egyptian are contenders for the first written language. There is no accurate historical record of what language was actually the first ever spoken. Numerous cultures and religions have repeatedly put forth claims that their tongue was the original language of humanity, but none of these postulations have withstood scrutiny. Moreover, the evolution of language has been a long and slow process, and what constitutes an actual language, in distinction from a less advanced form of verbal/gesture communication, has been the subject of serious debate among linguists. Ultimately, we shall never know what the earliest occurrence of language was. We can imagine that language as we know it has existed for approximately 100,000 years (estimates range from 50,000 to 500,000), and that the first human language likely arose somewhere in eastern Africa. One fact is definite: that original language went extinct many millennia ago.
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Written language is our only definite source of information about linguistic history, and the earliest records of possible "writing" go back to the Vinča culture of southeastern Europe; these artifacts date from before 4000 B.C. However, they are not considered to be first evidence of actual written language; that honor goes to the Sumerian cuneiform script that was in use in Mesopotamia around 3000 B.C.More here: ]http://www.encyclopediaofauthentichinduism.org/articles/12_early_civilizations.htm[/ quote] [QUOTE]Sumerian language, language isolate and the oldest written language in existence. First attested about 3100 bc in southern Mesopotamia, it flourished during the 3rd millennium bc. About 2000 bc, Sumerian was replaced as a spoken language by Semitic Akkadian (Assyro-Babylonian) but continued in written usage almost to the end of the life of the Akkadian language, around the beginning of the Christian era. Sumerian never extended much beyond its original boundaries in southern Mesopotamia; the small number of its native speakers was entirely out of proportion to the tremendous importance and influence Sumerian exercised on the development of the Mesopotamian and other ancient civilizations in all their stages. More here: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/573229/Sumerian-language
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Icygrace Knowflake Posts: 83 From: Mumbai, Maharashtra, India Registered: Jan 2013
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posted January 28, 2013 09:11 AM
I see..... so does this mean numerology is valid for all languages?? Also lexigramming? Does this change anything about our understanding about the relationship between numbers and letters?? Also, I didn't mean to dis respect anyone or anyone's religion ... just questioning everything IP: Logged |
Lexxigramer Moderator Posts: 6914 From: The Etheric Realms...Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat...& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Feb 2012
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posted January 28, 2013 09:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by Icygrace: I see..... so does this mean numerology is valid for all languages?? Also lexigramming? Does this change anything about our understanding about the relationship between numbers and letters?? Also, I didn't mean to dis respect anyone or anyone's religion ... just questioning everything
Yes, Lexigramming and Numerology is totally valid for any language. Does it change anything concerning the relationship betwixt letters and numbers? Yes in that it shows a broader more complete expression of them. And you have not shown any disrespect at all concerning these topics and or religions.These may help you: http://affinitynumerology.com/numerology-tools/non-english-alphabet.php अंक शास्त्र aṅka śāstra Translate "numerology" to Hindi Google search for: "Numerology in Hindi" for example. Or: "Numerology in non English languages"
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posted January 28, 2013 10:06 AM
Due to the diverse topics, I am going to move copies of this thread to the following forums. Lexigram Magic and While The Soul Slumbers The one here will remain open. Not sure if posting it at While The Soul Slumbers will help you or not..... but it is a Numerology forum.------------------ NumeroLexigrams ~I remember, therefore I am immortal ~Lexxigramer My Lexigramming Biography/over 1/2 a century to date Lexigramming IP: Logged |
Icygrace Knowflake Posts: 83 From: Mumbai, Maharashtra, India Registered: Jan 2013
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posted January 28, 2013 10:14 AM
Ok.... thank you so much lexxIP: Logged |
Icygrace Knowflake Posts: 83 From: Mumbai, Maharashtra, India Registered: Jan 2013
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posted January 28, 2013 10:14 AM
That was really helpfulIP: Logged |
Icygrace Knowflake Posts: 83 From: Mumbai, Maharashtra, India Registered: Jan 2013
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posted January 29, 2013 08:21 AM
One more question. Linda said druids are supposed to be integrated to the English language, and that's how she justified the living nature of the words. Was that wrong too? she also said that druids are protecting the "word" of God. what language is the word from?IP: Logged |
vansio Knowflake Posts: 652 From: Registered: Dec 2017
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posted December 17, 2019 03:23 AM
Perhaps Linda meant emoji, the modern hieroglyph IP: Logged |
Lexxigramer Moderator Posts: 6914 From: The Etheric Realms...Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat...& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion! Registered: Feb 2012
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posted December 17, 2019 05:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by vansio: Perhaps Linda meant emoji, the modern hieroglyph
Unlikely. Emogi cross all language barriers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji Please reply at Lexigram Magic also. Leaving thread open here however for the time being.The term Lexigram was; I assume; accidentally misappropriated by Linda Goodman. She did not coin the word; and nor did she invent what she termed as being lexigrams. What she called lexigrams were already being created and called by several different names. A true lexigram is as the following links illustrate. She would not have made that error had the internet been invented back then. http://hubpages.com/education/Project-Bows-FAQ-Why-is-it-called-a-lexigram -when-it-looks-like-a-word And other related topics. An ideogram is a graphic picture or symbol (such as @ or %) that represents a thing or an idea without expressing the sounds that form its name. Also called ideograph. The use of ideograms is called ideography. Some ideograms says Enn Otts, "are comprehensible only by prior knowledge of their convention; others convey their meaning through pictorial resemblance to a physical object, and therefore may also be described as pictograms, or pictographs" (Decoding Theoryspeak, 2011). Ideograms are used in some writing systems, such as Chinese and Japanese. For more about ideograms/pictograms/lexigrams and more; go to: http://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-an-ideogram-1691050 http://saffroninteractive.com/a-brief-history-of-pictograms-and-ideograms/ Again; no matter whether termed as being lexigrams, pictographs, and so forth; all have and still do cross world language barriers past and present. English is not a pan language by any stretch of the imagination. Linda was being Anglocentric and the internet was not invented yet so in her naive innocence she made incorrect claims. http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&tbm=isch&q=lexigrams+vs+ideograms+and+pictograms+etc&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjktLre7b3mAhWWG80KHfk4BwAQBQhGKAA&biw=1366&bih=729&dpr=1.17
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posted December 17, 2019 06:57 PM
quote: Originally posted by Icygrace:
One more question. Linda said druids are supposed to be integrated to the English language, and that's how she justified the living nature of the words. Was that wrong too? she also said that druids are protecting the "word" of God. what language is the word from?
See my reply to this at Lexigram Magic. Sorry I missed this post. I am not used to Lexigram and related posts places other than Lexigram Magic. This post is definitely suited to Lexigram Magic. The reply to the above will be posted to Icygrace at Lexigram Magic. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/002085.html For more posting on this thread topic please use the thread at Lexigram Magic. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/002085.html Closing thread here so as to avoid confusion.
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