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Topic: The Big Fat Wicked Lie People Tell About Animals
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ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3676 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 14, 2008 08:32 AM
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ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3676 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 14, 2008 10:02 AM
"Once Parshwanath, a young prince, arriving as a bridegroom with his marriage entourage to the house of his bride, saw near the house an enclosure of animals, tightly packed, waiting to be slaughtered. Shocked by the cry of the animals, the prince enquired, "Why are those animals being kept in such cruel conditions?" His aides replied, "They are for the feast of the wedding party."The young prince was overwhelmed with compassion. Arriving at the wedding chamber, he spoke with the father of the princess. "Immediately and unconditionally all those animals enclosed to be slaughtered for the marriage feast must be freed," he said. "Why?" responded the father. "The lives of animals are there for the pleasure of humans. Animals are our slaves and our meat. How can there be any feast without the flesh?!" Prince Parshwanath was puzzled. He could not believe what he had just heard. He exclaimed, "Animals have souls, they have consciousness, they are our kith and kin, they are our ancestors. They wish to live as much as we do; they have feelings and emotions. They have love and passion; they fear death as much as we do. Their instinct for life is no less than ours. Their right to live is as fundamental as our own. I cannot marry, I cannot love and I cannot enjoy life if animals are enslaved and killed." Without further ado he rejected the plans for his marriage, he discarded the comfortable life of a prince, and he responded to his inner calling to go out and awaken the sleepy masses who had been conditioned to think selfishly and kill animals for their pleasure and comfort. According to the story, the animal kingdom welcomes Parshwanath as the prophet of the weak and the wild. They gather around him when he calls for kindness. The birds sit upon the tree nearby; fishes come to the corner of the lake where Parshwanath is seated. Elephants, lions, foxes, rabbits, rats, insects, and ants pay homage to him. One day, finding Parshwanath being soaked by the heavy rain of the monsoon, the king of the cobras stood on his tail and created an umbrella with his huge head. Thousands upon thousands of people in villages, towns and cities are moved by the teachings of Parshwanath. They renounce meat and take up the work of animal welfare. The princess whom Parshwanath was going to marry was so inspired that she decided to remain unmarried and dedicate herself to the care of animals. Having lost a daughter and would-be son-in-law to the cause of animal compassion, the King himself underwent anguish and yet experienced transformation. He announced that all animals were to be respected in his kingdom, and that there would be no hunting, no shooting, no caging and no pets. There are twenty-four Great Liberators in the Jain Lineage. Adinath was the first. Parshwanath was the twenty-third. Such Liberators are called tirthankaras. The twenty-fourth was Mahavir who lived 2,600 years ago. He revived the Jain religion as it is practiced today. All the twenty-four Great Liberators have an animal associated with them, symbolizing that in Jain teachings the place of animals is central. Love is not love if it does not include love of animals, according to Jain teachings. What kind of compassion is it which adores and reveres human life, but ignores the slaughter of animals? Division between humans and animals and putting human interests before animal interests is the beginning of sectionalism, racism, nationalism, class and caste discrimination, and of course speciesism. The same mindset, which enslaves animals, goes on to enslave humans in the name of self-interest, national interest, and umpteen other narrow interests. Therefore we, the Jains, advocate an unconditional and unequivocal reverence for all life". ~ From The Book "You Are, Therefore I Am" by Satish Kumar
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zanya Moderator Posts: 612 From: Registered: Oct 2007
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posted February 15, 2008 02:36 AM
animals are advanced masters who have incarnated on this planet in order to facilitate the growth and refinement of humans. IP: Logged |
maklhouf Knowflake Posts: 1379 From: Registered: Nov 2003
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posted February 15, 2008 01:17 PM
You are cheating like mad LTT. You are not comparing like with like. If you are going to use baby animals, compare them with baby humans who are just as blameless.------------------ The stone which the builders rejected, The same was made the head of the corner; Matthew 21:42 IP: Logged |
robyn.c Knowflake Posts: 60 From: england Registered: Dec 2007
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posted February 15, 2008 01:51 PM
a baby human is a baby animalIP: Logged |
maklhouf Knowflake Posts: 1379 From: Registered: Nov 2003
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posted February 15, 2008 01:57 PM
So when should the baby animal start going to school?------------------ The stone which the builders rejected, The same was made the head of the corner; Matthew 21:42 IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3676 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 15, 2008 02:10 PM
Crow and kitten are friends: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JiJzqXxgxo IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3676 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 15, 2008 02:12 PM
When people hear or read something which perhaps doesn't suit them, they don't want to hear or makes them feel bad, their minds go on to construct a vast and wide number of excuses to evade the truth.The truth is pure and simple, and the mind is a matrix. Love will win over in the end!!! IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3676 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 15, 2008 02:14 PM
Malkhouf, hopefully never until the philosophy and quality of our schooling changes dramatically and for the better! IP: Logged |
zanya Moderator Posts: 612 From: Registered: Oct 2007
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posted February 15, 2008 03:07 PM
according to Linda Goodman ~ quote: It’s worth noting that the percentage of carnivorous opposed to vegetarian fish closely matches the current percentage of carnivorous opposed to vegetarian humans. There are other meaningful reflections between animal and human habits, and the former imitate the latter, not the other way around…There are many examples in the fish and animal world proving that the carnivorous aspect of the “food chain,” so holy to biologists, is not a necessity for healthy survival. Jungle animals who eat the flesh of other animals? Regardless of what you learned in school about Darwin’s theory, men taught animals to be carnivorous. There was no blood shed in Eden, when this earth was an “Eden Heaven,” many millions of years before the Atlantean, Lemurian, and Paleolithic periods, about which more in chapter 9. If cows and calves, sheep and lambs, mama and papa and baby monkeys and gorillas, giraffes and hippos can survive in good health as vegetarians, there’s no reason why lions, tigers, leopards, and others can’t do the same, given enough time to restore their digestive organs back to their original state.
from her book Star Signs IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3676 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 15, 2008 03:31 PM
Can't help but love that lady. IP: Logged |
pixelpixie Knowflake Posts: 5270 From: Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 2005
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posted February 17, 2008 01:42 AM
It's never made sense to me, the concept of animals not having feelings or souls..Even if you aren't an animal lover.. spend an afternoon with a dog and you know they do... Do they play, react, show affection or curiosity? If you accidentally stumble on their paw, do they yelp? Of course! I don't need anyone to explain the reasons why they 'don't' according to some groups.... no justifications are necessary for something I see plainly. IP: Logged |
Dervish Knowflake Posts: 312 From: California Registered: Nov 2006
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posted February 17, 2008 03:12 AM
When I was 4, I cried when I saw a calf restrained on a table (there were bars over him) and he was branded, making noises (in retrospect, I wonder why they didn't at least drug him senseless). And when I was told by my uncle there to stop crying, "It doesn't really hurt them," I cried even harder because there was no doubt in my mind he'd lied to me and the concept that he would lie to me--he whom I trusted so faithfully--really tore up my world.Shortly after, I was eating burgers and my older cousin couldn't help but comment that it was the cow I'd liked. My uncle confirmed it when I looked at him, but I didn't understand. I said something like, "She sure tastes good," but I didn't understand why I didn't see her out in the pasture anymore for days, and then it was only a vague understanding. I found out years later that they'd did that BECAUSE I'D CRIED, as they were imparting the lesson early that "animals are food." When I found out (I was almost 14), I felt bad because I felt it was my fault that a cow died--because I liked her, she was marked for death. And, at the gut level, I think I feared that maybe others I cared about were also in danger... I'm not a vegan or vegetarian today, but I as I share this, I wonder if the reason I don't like hamburgers is because of what happened when I was 4... IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3676 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 17, 2008 08:28 AM
I'm not saying that everyone has to become vegetarian overnight and the world will change.I feel in my heart that people should, however, begin to change their perceptions towards animals and embrace the animal kingdom in the hearts. Gently, in time, after humans have begun to change things such as factory farming......people may......gently and gradually chose not to eat other food which is available However I feel this is going to take time Therefore, it would be helpful if some animal rights activists could understand this, but, equally, this is incredibly difficult for people who are so, so sensitive towards and animal's pain and who have seen such horror that is the nightmare on Earth, the terrible nightmare of cruelty amidst the profound beauty. To be clear- I do support the vegetarianism and veganism
But the human race as a whole need a lot of time to change their perceptions towards animals before miracles will happen, and I strongly feel that causes such as this are best done gently, as I believe men such as Ghandii are true saints........ And non-violence, I am learning now, should be a part of not only physical actions, but every action, including speech. Linda Goodman wrote how words can affect us, and reading her book before I became an animal rights activist is probably why I eventually left this group in the end. IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3676 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted February 17, 2008 08:33 AM
And perhaps one day people will see that the basis of all existence on Earth is Consciousness itself, therefore, if thought creates, why are we looking to our own co-creation to try to understand where we fit in and what is "natural". (In a nutshell!) (And if you want to know what I'm waffling on about, in a nutshell, its the principles laid down in the film "What The Bleep Do We Know".However, until people can together realize this, I believe they are innocent in their actions. It is not our fault, we just need to, gently, wake up. Just my two cents. By the way, Dervish, what you wrote, the perceptions of those people you mentioned, made me feel sad.
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smoky topaz Knowflake Posts: 12 From: Hyderabad, India Registered: Mar 2008
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posted March 16, 2008 06:34 AM
Thanks a lot, listentotrees for creating this topic. Animals do have feelings and I strongly believe that whoever says they don't is lying. I feel sad about what you had to go through at the age of 4, dervish.IP: Logged |
smoky topaz Knowflake Posts: 12 From: Hyderabad, India Registered: Mar 2008
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posted March 16, 2008 06:43 AM
Hey, I forgot to say this- the crow and the kitten look really cute in the video. I feel sad to observe though, that most humans can't become friends (with their enemies or even strangers) that fast.IP: Logged |
smoky topaz Knowflake Posts: 12 From: Hyderabad, India Registered: Mar 2008
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posted March 16, 2008 07:24 AM
I had read this story somewhere about animals being truely attached to humans who care about them and understanding human behaviour and emotions and even death. (Anyone who has owned a pet knows that, actually) There was this lady(around 60 years old)who'd always feed grains to pigeons in her courtyard. Every single day she'd go out and feed them at a particular time. She died a few years later of old age. The day after her death, her daughter went to feed the pigeons at the same time. The pigeons were there but she thought that they looked sad (she could've imagined it as she was so sad herself but still). She threw grains at them the way her mother used to but they all sat still. Not one of them moved toward the grains. It was as if they were mourning the lady's death. The next day, the grains had to be swept away (they remained uneaten)and the pigeons stopped coming to that courtyard. They, too had understood that the lady had died.IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 3676 From: Infinity Registered: Jul 2005
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posted March 22, 2008 03:09 AM
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zanya Moderator Posts: 612 From: Registered: Oct 2007
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posted March 26, 2008 02:33 AM
this is a great thread. i'm glad that it was in FFA for a while, it had so much attention there -- good energy. glad i found it again too!good stuff. IP: Logged | |