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silverstone
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posted May 07, 2007 01:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IF Jesus Christ were truly God, or if there existed such a coequal and co­essential oneness between the Father and the Son that they constituted but one being or divine essence, then what is true of one is true of the other, and a change of names and titles from one to the other cannot alter the sense of the text. Let us, then, substitute the titles found applied to the Son in the New Testament, to the Father, and observe the effect

"My Son is greater than I." (John vii. 28.)

"God can do nothing of himself." (John v. 19.)

"I must be about my Son's business." (Luke ii. 49.)

"The kingdom of heaven is not mine to give, but the Son's." (Matt. xx. 23.)

"I am come in my Son's name, and ye receive me not." (John v. 43.)

"God cried, Jesus, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. xiii. 28.)

"No man hath seen Jesus at any time." (i John i. 5.)

"Jesus created all things by his Son." (Eph. iii. 9.)

"God sat down (in heaven) at the right hand of Jesus." (Luke xxii. 69.)

"There is one Jesus, one mediator between Jesus and men." (Gal. iii. 20.)

"Jesus gave, his only begotten Father." (i John iv. 9.)

"God knows not the hour, but Jesus does." (Mark viii. 32.)

"God is the servant of Jesus." (Mark xii. 18.)

"God is ordained by Jesus." (Acts xvii. 31.)

"The head of God is Christ." (Eph. i. 3.)

"We have an advocate with Jesus, God the righteous." (i John ii. i.)

"Jesus gave all power to God." (Matt. xxviii. 18.)

"God abode all night in prayer to Jesus." (Luke vi. 12.)

"God came down from heaven to do the will of Jesus." (John vi. 38.)

"Jesus has made the Father his high priest." (Heb. x. 24.)

"Last of all, the Son sent the Father." (Matt. xxi. 39.)

"Jesus will save the world by that God whom he hath ordained."

"Jesus is God of the Father." (John xx. 17.)

"Jesus hath exalted God, and given him a more excellent name." (Phil. ii. 9.)

"Jesus hath made God a little lower than the angels." (Heb. ii. 9.)

"God can do nothing except what he seeth Jesus do." (John v. 19.)

Now, the question arises, Is the above representation a true one? Most certainly it must be, if Jesus and the Father are but one almighty Being. A change of names and titles cannot alter the truth nor the sense.

To say that Chief Justice Chase has gone south; Secretary Chase has gone south; Governor Chase has gone south; Ex­Senator Chase has gone south, or Salmon P. Chase has gone south, are affirmations equally true and equally sensible, because they all have reference to the same being; the case is to plain to need argument.

The above reversal of names and titles of Jesus and the Father may sound very unpleasant and rather grating to Christ­adoring Christians, simply because it is the trans­position of the titles of two very scripturally dissimilar beings, instead of being, as generally taught by orthodox Christians, "one in essence, one in mind, one in body or being, and one in name," as the Rev. Mr. Barnes affirms. Most self­evidently false is his statement, based solely on scriptural ground. If Jesus is "very God," and there is but one God, then the foregoing transposition cannot mar the sense nor altar the truth of one text quoted.

Also, here's a simple-cool video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2333851729824000613&q=sun+of+god&hl=en

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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost

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fayte.m
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posted May 07, 2007 09:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Silverstone!
Thank you for looking over my lengthy reading lists!



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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
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silverstone
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posted May 07, 2007 04:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fayte

How many ancient religions had saviors dying on a cross?
http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/religion/religion2.html

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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost

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fayte.m
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posted May 07, 2007 11:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Exactly one of the things I have been saying!
Thank You Silverstone!

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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
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silverstone
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posted May 08, 2007 01:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your welcome, Fayte.
And I like your pictures you posted some posts back

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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost

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Blue Baby 143
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posted May 15, 2007 06:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Koran mentions Jesus.


I have always believed in him as a person who did live.

They spoke about him being a prophet.

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fayte.m
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posted May 15, 2007 09:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blue Baby 143
Yes!
And even though I do not buy into their version either;
they at least say he did not die of a crucifixion.
I also find it interesting that he is known as Issa, in the Koran; meaning teacher.
But the same name in Hebrew means effeminate.

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~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
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fayte.m
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posted October 15, 2007 08:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!

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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
"I would rather," Truth said; "to walk naked than wear the raiments of Falsehood!"
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silverstone
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posted October 15, 2007 08:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
to the top

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silverstone
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posted October 29, 2007 04:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BUMP

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marsman
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posted November 25, 2007 11:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
zeitgeist google it and if any of you can prove this one ill follow your religon,

What came first , the chicken or the egg?

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Mannu
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posted November 26, 2007 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The chicken.
Proof is in tasting the pudding - LOL

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silverstone
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posted November 26, 2007 12:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good Bump, Mannu

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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost

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Mannu
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posted November 26, 2007 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heh bud, thanks.
I responded to marsman.
The egg is formed within the chicken.
More and more scientists also believe that the chicken came first. And the genetic makeup is trasmitted to the egg.

Did Jesus survived crucifixion? I don't know. Perhaps I have to go to the tomb to find out as Im very psychic and get vibes. I think he was murdered by men. I also believe if I put my mind after it, the truth will reveal. I have honestly not seeked intensely an answer to that question.

However some esoteric teachings have come to my attention, can't say much here. One day perhaps will reveal when I'm ready or perhaps will remain eternal secret.

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venusdeindia
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posted November 29, 2007 06:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
fayte ur research is amazing. how did u get it all together ?
r u considering writing a book ?

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Mannu
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posted November 29, 2007 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah Fayte is amazing.

Thats how research must be done.


I sincerely believe Jesus was in India for 12-13 years and acquired very mystic knowledge before he started preaching. Its an inside knowledge and science is now discovering one by one.

I heard someone say Buddha was the most productive Master as he enlightened (the true meaning of that word) more people than any other Master till date. Perhaps because no one Miracle was ever reported. It makes sense to me by the amount of people I have met and come to know about so far.

Sometimes I wonder what if Jesus followed a different approach to his ministry? Did he do a good job? What does anyone think on that?



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fayte.m
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posted November 30, 2007 12:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yes I and others are working on several books.
Some will be published under a pseudonym as they are very unusual and or may possibly be deemed as very controversial by some, and we do not want to go through what this guy did! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie
My writings will not I feel offend those who follow Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism and so forth...
but may possibly disturb some others greatly.

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fayte.m
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posted November 30, 2007 12:24 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mannu
Thank you!
I find you rather amazing my friend!
You always get my mind to pondering!
That is a sign of a guru/teacher!
Make the water want to flow into the urn!
I learn from you.
I consider you one of my teachers.
Namaste`

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Mannu
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posted November 30, 2007 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fayte, No, you are my guru.
I am so humbled by your own humility. I believe my benefit is that I was born in the east nothing else.

Just be careful with those fanatics out there. They only see criticism and not the constructive ideas behind our research.

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silverstone
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posted November 30, 2007 01:08 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mannu Fayte

Thanks, Fayte for the cool images below!


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fayte.m
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posted November 30, 2007 01:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
silverstone
I sent you a few more!
Let me know what changes you would like!

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fayte.m
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posted November 30, 2007 01:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Namaste` dear Mannu!
When master is also student and student is also master the differences dissolve into "being".
No captains no kings in the cycles of learning. All are teachers all are masters.
Someday I hope I shall have the honour of touching your feet in person.
For now please accept my respect in cyberspace.
Again my friend
Namaste`



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silverstone
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posted November 30, 2007 01:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
When master is also student and student is also master the differences dissolve into "being".

, indeed

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venusdeindia
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posted December 01, 2007 11:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
u are welcome Fayte, and i m going to have the copy as soon as it gets published.
also for ur research here is some more Vatican filth, beware it might get u even more enthusiastic
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/cienciareal11.htm

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Mannu
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posted December 02, 2007 05:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True witch craft involving human sacrifices and blood etc, is as bad as human sacrifices that we have seen in the Maya civilizations.
And we all know the fate of the Mayans.

The vaticans are not that bad. Their main problem is, they can't explain to other humans the secret of the gospels. For example "What is the immaculate conception?" Perhaps they don't understand it themselves. Lets say a 10th grade book is given to a 7th grade student. How can the 7th grade student ever dictate the answers to fellow students, so as to make others understand. Am holding back on commenting more on that subject for the time being.


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