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fayte.m unregistered
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posted March 19, 2006 07:26 PM
While I feel these are not the true stories... They are a little closer to the truth. That he did not die on a cross that day...or die that way ever. A good read: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0970828012/102-5714061-3818520?v=glance&n=283155 Some interesting links: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895819465/ref=pd_sim_b_4/10 2-5714061-3818520?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=283155 http://www.tombofjesus.com/BookReviews.htm www.tombofjesus.com http://www.tombofjesus.com/core/ancient-documents/index.html http://www.tombofjesus.com/home.htm http://www.tombofjesus.com/easter_feature.htm ------------------ _______________________________________________________________________ ~I am still learning~ Michangelo The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords. The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes. Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages. In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem. -NEXUS-
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Mannu Knowflake Posts: 45 From: always here and no where Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 19, 2006 07:58 PM
Well I too do not believe that Jesus survived the crucifixion and went to India. Its very likely that he would have travelled to India as a teen and come back. His dad was a carpenter so he must have really known some of the traders from the east and taken a ride with them. The aquarian gospel of christ is an eye opener for me. Not sure what to make of it. But its worth a read. Here goes: http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/agjc/
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posted March 19, 2006 08:22 PM
OH MY! You have misunderstood me! I totally believe he not only survived it...but that even the stories of the survival circumstances are not accurate in the details but much mythos added to it all later. But that he went on to live in Kashmir and died there? YES! That I theorize as a real possibility! IP: Logged |
Mannu Knowflake Posts: 45 From: always here and no where Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 19, 2006 08:32 PM
Oh, Is that what you meant by 'not entirely true'. I read that link many years ago. It did not made sense to me. I have read the story of Jesus turning over the tables of the merchants in the temple and how he let loose the doves and other animals. The image that I have of Jesus is that he would have continued to speak against the issues affecting not just him but also the people around him. So even if he wud have survived he would have dared to do another such activity and got caught by the high priests. Eventually loosing his life. There are two types of people in the world, one that goes to the noose afraid and the other who goes laughing. To my mind, Jesus is definitely the latter. That is if I have pscycho analysed him correctly. Well its my belief anyways.
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posted March 19, 2006 11:17 PM
I feel that Yeshua and Jesus Bar Abbas were in Jerusalem at the same time. I feel it was Jesus Bar Abbas, not Yeshua, who did that bit in the temple. Both were known as "Son of the father".IP: Logged |
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posted March 19, 2006 11:29 PM
I'm still looking for proof that He was.This whole Jesus stuff is too much. I know this much: I don't believe that most people know who/what Jesus was... if He was at all. IP: Logged |
Mannu Knowflake Posts: 45 From: always here and no where Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 20, 2006 12:09 AM
Well LS, its a valid point. I think it all boils down to individual faith. The link I put above is said to be information of Jesus thru channelling a few decades ago by a guy called Levi. Edgar cayce also used to get his information this way I gather. From the Ethers. Hi Faye, No the man at temple has to be Yeshua. The book of Malachi has an important prophecy about the messiah who would do such a act in the temple. And since Yeshua was supposed to be messiah, it got to have been him in the temple. I will try to post that quote from Malachi sometime. Looks like you are really on to something big there. Ever think of becoming like Dan Brown and making 20 millions after spending 2 years in research
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posted March 20, 2006 09:08 AM
Fayte, great subject!I was raised in a Christian church and from as young as I can remember I always asked myself "what is the big deal with Jesus?" Now that I have become older and (wiser) I hope, I believe that He was a great spiritual teacher, but nothing more than that. I have always had a problem with the "divine conception" all that Christianity is based on just does not ring true with my heart. And I do not feel he died on the cross, if that even ever happened. And as a young child I always thought it very macabre to "celebrate", recognize, whatever someone going through such torture! I think the Bible was written in symbolism, parables, etc. because that is the way people of that day learned and we as a more advanced society take it way too literal. Dont get me wrong, I do believe in "God" the source, divine intelligence, but I still refer to it as "God" due to my upbringing, but Christianity? I question as I do all organized religions. And by the way, I rarely watch TV, but yesterday morning I stopped on that new young televangleists show. Joel (somebody) and I just had to watch and listen to what he was telling the multitude of people who filled a mass stadium to hear him preach the "gospel," and I am not sure I liked what he had to say. Basically his message was turn all your troubles over to God, do not despair, persevere and I was so bothered as all the people just sat there nodding their heads in unison. I would hope these people will learn to "think for yourself, question authority..." and take some responsibility for their own lives and know God is always there, but He gave us free will for a reason! Ok, enough of my ranting..... Thank you for bringing up the topic, though! IP: Logged |
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posted March 20, 2006 09:19 AM
quote: Originally posted by Mannu: No the man at temple has to be Yeshua. The book of Malachi has an important prophecy about the messiah who would do such a act in the temple. And since Yeshua was supposed to be messiah, it got to have been him in the temple.
Redaction, nothing but added spin added AFTER the facts to support an old story. It is a common vehicle used to make it "appear" that something was prophesied and then came to pass. Totally a fabrication. Now that I am Sure of! OK.... about "messiah" "the word "Messiah" has the same meaning as the word "Christ". The word Messiah is Hebrew and is translated as Anointed. The word Christ is Greek and is also translated as Anointed. They are the same word from two different languages."
Anyone can be anointed. Many were. Or were said to be. Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: John:19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 20: And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21: And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. >>>>>>>>Is that the Malachi one you were speaking of? And even John the Baptist could not/would not confirm any specific person. Yes.... I am working on things...but or alot longer than two years. And not from books does my main research come. The theroy I have of it being Yeshua ben Yoseph and Jesus Bar Abbas(Jesus Son Of The Father) is further proven by the two different histories of "Jesus". Starting with the Lineages... Joseph Ben Heli and... Joseph Ben Jacob Which one is Jesus Bar Abbas' father...and which one is Yeshua's? And the flight to Egypt severely clashes with the temple presentation of by his parents in Jerusalem when he was an infant. So one was in Egypt:Yeshua And the other in Jerusalem:Jesus Barabbas. Jesus Bar Abbas(Known as Jesus Son of The Father) was arrested for being an insurrectionist. A trouble maker during the big holy holiday. Sounds like exactly the kind of bloke who would turn over the money changer's tables in the temple courtyard. But Yeshua said of money... Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. So either "Jesus" was bi-polar and went about acting and talking in a contradictory manner... One moment claiming to be the messiah..the next minute running from folks trying o stone him..and denying he was the messiah. Or... Ocam's Razor.... Two fellows with similar names & lineages being born at about the same time. Again...I get very little from books. I use books to see if what I got/get fits or answers the questions no one else has been able to. If history leaves no window for my theory/theories...then I set it aside(my theory). IP: Logged |
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posted March 20, 2006 09:30 AM
Hey hippichick! I am posting some things here I have elsehere as it is concerning the above. And in the NT.... You will find a serious descrepancy concerning the lineage of Jesus. Which leads back to my theory that Jesus Bar Abbas was being confused with Jesus(Yeshua). Both were called "Son of THe Father"... Both lived and preached at the same time. The Bible translators left out the parts concerning Jesus Barrabbas...Or Bar Abbas=Son Of The Father...and made him out to be a common criminal instead. So now look at the two lineages: Generation Mat 1:16-2 /Luk 3:23-38 1 Jesus /Jesus 2 Joseph /Joseph 3 Jacob /Heli 4 Matthan /Matthat 5 Eleazar /Levi 6 Eliud /Melchi 7 Achim /Janna 8 Sadoc /Joseph 9 Azor /Mattathias 10 Eliakim /Amos 11 Abiud /Naum 12 Zorobabel /Esli 13 Salathiel /Nagge 14 Jechonias /Maath 15 Josias /Mattathias 16 Amon /Semei 17 Manasses /Joseph 18 Ezekias /Juda 19 Achaz /Joanna 20 Joatham /Rhesa 21 Ozias /Zorobabel 22 Joram /Salathiel 23 Josaphat /Neri 24 Asa /Melchi 25 Abia /Addi 26 Roboam /Cosam 27 Solomon /Elmodam 28 David /Er 29 Jesse /Jose 30 Obed /Eliezer 31 Booz /Jorim 32 Salmon /Matthat 33 Naasson /Levi 34 Aminadab /Simeon 35 Aram /Juda 36 Esrom /Joseph 37 Phares /Jonan 38 Judas /Eliakim 39 Jacob /Melea 40 Isaac /Menan 41 Abraham /Mattatha 42 Nathan 43 David 44 Jesse 45 Obed 46 Booz 47 Salmon 48 Naasson 49 Aminadab 50 Aram 51 Esrom 52 Phares 53 Juda 54 Jacob 55 Isaac 56 Abraham 57 Thara 58 Nachor 59 Saruch 60 Ragau 61 Phalec 62 Heber 63 Sala 64 Cainan 65 Arphaxad 66 Sem 67 Noe 68 Lamech 69 Mathusala 70 Enoch 71 Jared 72 Maleleel 73 Cainan 74 Enos 75 Seth 76 Adam 77 God If Zorobabel and Salathiel in the two genealogies are the same, Then the facts we have to keep in mind are:
The Zorobabel mentioned in Luk 3:27 who is a blood relative of Mary and through her a blood relative of Jesus, can not be a blood relative of Jechonias because of the curse mentioned above. The verses above name Salathiel a son of Jechonias AND the son of Neri The verses above name Zorobabel a son of Pedaiah AND the son of Salathiel. We will have to assume the following, which are actually not entirely described in the Bible: (a) Salathiel was the biological son of Jechonias. This makes (2.) halfway true. (b) Salathiel died without child, but left behind a widow (c) Pedaiah was Salathiel's brother and took Salathiel's widow and begat Zorobabel, this way Zorobabel can be called as Son of Salathiel AND son of Pedaiah. This makes (3.) true. (d) Pedaiah can not be Salathiel's biological brother, since then he would be the biological son of Jechonias and therefore Zorobabel would become biological grandson of Jechonias and violate (1.) Therefore Pedaiah has to be only adopted son of Jechonias and only half brother of Salathiel. This makes (1.) true. (e) Jechonias has to have Neri's daughter as a wife, and this way we can call Salathiel as son of Neri, referring to his grandfather through his mother. This makes (2.) true. (f) Pedaiah has to be a son of Neri's daughter. This way he can be called as son of Jechonias when (e) happens and Pedaiah becomes Jechonias' adopted son as it is required by (d) The assumptions between (a) and (f) could be shown with the following family tree: *: this relationship or person is not described by the Bible, just by the assumptions between (a) and (f) Jechonias * Daughter of Neri Salathiel *Wife of Salathiel Pedaiah Zorobabel If Zorobabel and Salathiel in the two genealogies are NOT the same, Then the facts we have to keep in mind are: The Zorobabel mentioned in Luk 3:27 who is a blood relative of Mary and through her a blood relative of Jesus, can not be blood relative of Jechonias because of the curse mentioned above. This is automatically true. The verses above name one Salathiel a son of Jechonias AND the other Salathiel a son of Neri This is automatically true. The verses above name Zorobabel a son of Pedaiah AND the son of Salathiel. The only thing we have to assume is: (a) Salathiel (Jechonias' son) died without child, but left behind a widow (b) Pedaiah was Salathiel's biological brother and took Salathiel's widow and begat Zorobabel, this way Zorobabel can be called as Son of Salathiel AND son of Pedaiah. This makes (3.) true. This could be shown with the following family tree: Jechonias Neri *: this relationship or person is not described by the Bible, just by the assumptions between (a) and (b) Salathiel *Wife of Salathiel Pedaiah Salathiel Zorobabel Zorobabel Zorobabel and Salathiel Answer There are only two reasons to assume that the two persons listed in Matthew's genealogy are the same as in Luke's:
They lived approximately during the same time Their names were rarely used As we compare the two possible answers above, we can conclude that we stay closer to the facts described in the Bible if we accept that the Zorobabel and Salathiel mentioned in Matthew's genealogy are NOT the same as the Zorobabel and Salathiel mentioned in Luke's list. Missing names in Matthew's genealogy Matthew's list leaves out Ahaziah, Joash, Amaziah, and Eliakim from the generations of the kings. The reason for why their names were omitted is not known. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> So who is who?
Joseph Ben Heli> >Jesus Joseph Ben Jacob> >Jesus One has Solomon and David... The other does not. An awful lot of descrepancies and contradictions. Then throw in the mythos Of other cultures and "histories"....and things get even more fouled up! What a theological/philosophical/historical MESS! Occam's Razor: The principle is most often expressed as Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem, or "Entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity", but this sentence was written by later authors and is not found in Occam's surviving writings. This also applies to non est ponenda pluritas sine necessitate, which translates literally into English as "pluralities ought not be supposed without necessity". It has inspired numerous expressions including "parsimony of postulates", the "principle of simplicity", the "KISS principle" (Keep It Simple, Stupid), and in some medical schools "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras". Other common restatments are:
Entities are not to be multiplied without necessity. and The simplest answer is usually the correct answer. A re-statement of Occam's Razor, in more formal terms, is provided by information theory in the form of minimum message length. "When deciding between two models which make equivalent predictions, choose the simpler one," makes the point that a simpler model that doesn't make equivalent predictions is not among the models that this criterion applies to in the first place. [1] Leonardo da Vinci (1452–1519) lived after Occam's time and has a variant of Occam's razor. His variant short-circuits the need for sophistication by equating it to simplicity. Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Occam's Razor is now usually stated as follows: Of two equivalent theories or explanations, all other things being equal, the simpler one is to be preferred. As this is ambiguous, Isaac Newton's version may be better: We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. In the spirit of Occam's Razor itself, the rule is sometimes stated as: The simplest explanation is usually the best. Another common statement of it is : The simplest explanation that covers all the facts. This is an over-simplification, or at least a little misleading. See above, "In science". This rephrasing has several faults, the worst being that Occam's razor is only supposed to be used to choose between two scientific theories which are otherwise equally predictive. The second problem with the "simplest is best" equation is that Occam's razor never claims to choose the 'best' theory, but only proposes simplicity as the deciding factor in choosing between two otherwise equal theories. It's possible that, given more information, the more complex theory might turn out to be correct the majority of the time. Occam's razor makes no explicit claims as to whether or not this will happen, but prompts us to use the simpler theory until we have reason to do otherwise. The earliest versions of the razor clearly imply that if a more complex theory is "necessary" then it need not be invalid. Perhaps a better way to state it is: "a correct theory of phenomena is only as complex as is necessary — and no more so — to explain said phenomena." For More See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor Even the ancients knew of the sperm being required for impregnation. And a virgin can beome pregnant by using a device to introduce sperm..or even a finger to depost sperm near the cervix. This lets her maintain "technical virginity" no matter how many children are born to her...as long as she never is penetrated by a penis. Of course during childbirth she will lose her hymen. That would be expected. So..believe what you will...but remove for the moment the far fetched notions and take one(or more) man's ejaculate.....and insert very gently, without damaging the hymen, into the vagina of a virgin. Wow! Magic! No..if she is in a fertile phase she will conceve. This can be done while she is sedated and she will never know otherwise, unless told, how she became to be "mysteriously" with child. Room there for alot of brainwashing and other trickery.....depending on what one would desire said virgin to believe. Also virgin births were applied to many leaders/rulers and mystics etcetera, in ancient times. This was a common thing to do.....giving divine parentage to a Caesar and so forth.
While indeed derogatory... I do find this version of "Occam's Razor" rather amusing The "principle of simplicity", the "KISS principle" (Keep It Simple, Stupid), Sooooo.... KISS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ~I intend to continue learning forever~"Fayte" ~I am still learning~ Michangelo The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords. The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes. Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages. In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem. -NEXUS- IP: Logged |
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posted March 20, 2006 10:31 AM
Hey Mannu! I read your link to: THE AQUARIAN GOSPEL OF JESUS THE CHRIST By Levi H. Dowling Introduction by Eva S. Dowling [1920]Interesting but too far flung still in the deific/dogmatic/preconception arena. Saw a few things that made sense...but most is just an interesting read of another point of view from an unfortunately already dogmatically cluttered mind's eye. I feel he made the same mistakes most channelers have made....Including Cayce.....and others... Placing his preconceieved beliefs "BEFORE" the "visions/channelings". Thereby warping them to fit his already deeply ingrained belief structures based on highly dogmatic stories. Too bad really. If he could have for a moment told us what he really got...not what he read into it and what he heavily seasoned with his dogmatic upbringing and belliefs... Then perhaps, he indeed, would have been able to present to us some new and relevant insights. _______________________________________________________________________ ~I intend to continue learning forever~"Fayte" ~I am still learning~ Michangelo The Door to Gnosis is never permanently locked...one only needs the correct keys and passwords. The pious man with closed eyes can often hold more ego than a proud man with open eyes. Out of the mouth of babes commeth wisdom that can rival that of sages. In the rough, or cut and polished..a diamond is still a precious gem. -NEXUS- IP: Logged |
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posted September 27, 2006 03:56 AM
BUMPGreetings, I posted this somewhere, while I also do not agree with all of it, some info I find relevant: If you want a saviour god who died so our sins could be forgiven, take your pick from the ancient world because there are a stream of them.... here are just some of the ‘Son of God’ heroes who play the lead role in stories which mirror those attributed to Jesus and almost all were worshipped long before Jesus was even heard of:
Khrishna of Hindostan Buddha Sakia of India Salivahana of Bermuda Osiris and Horus of Egypt Odin of Scandinavia Crite of Chaldea Zoroaster of Persia Baal and Taut of Phoenicia Indra of Tibet Bali of Afghanistan Jao of Nepal Wittoba of Bilingonese Tammuz of Syria and Babylon Attis of Phrygia Xamolxis of Thrace Zoar of the Bonzes Adad of Assyria Deva Tat and Sammonocadam of Siam Alcides of Thebes Mikado of the Sintoos Beddru of Japan Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillahm, of the Druids Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls Cadmus of Greece Hil and Feta of Mandaites Gentaut and Quetzalcoatl of Mexico Universal Monarch of the Sibyls Ischy of Formosa Divine Teacher of Plato Holy One of Xaca Fohi and Tien of China Adonis, son of virgin lo, of Greece Ixion and Quirinus of Rome Prometheus of the Caucasus Mohammed or Mahomet, of Arabia 22 All but a few of those ‘sons of God’ or ‘prophets’, and the mind-prison religions founded in their names, come from the very lands occupied or influenced by peoples emerging from the Near East and the Caucasus. The lands of the Aryans and reptile-Aryans. Other ‘sons of God’ included Mithra or Mithras, the pre-Christian Roman-Persian god, and in Greece and Asia Minor they had Dionysus and Bacchus. These were sons of God who died so our sins could be forgiven, born of a virgin mother, and their birthdays were on... December 25th! Horus was the the ‘son’ of God in Egypt. He was derived from the Babylonian Tammuz and, in turn, provided another blueprint for the later Jesus. The connections are devastating for the credibility of the Christian Church: Jesus was the Light of the World. Horus was the Light of the World. Jesus said he was the way, the truth and the life. Horus said he was the truth, the life. Jesus was born in Bethlehem, the ‘house of bread’. Horus was born in Annu, the ‘place of bread’. Jesus was the Good Shepherd. Horus was the Good Shepherd. Seven fishers board a boat with Jesus. Seven people board a boat with Horus. Jesus was the lamb. Horus was the lamb. Jesus is identified with a cross. Horus is identified with a cross. Jesus was baptised at 30. Horus was baptised at 30. Jesus was the child of a virgin, Mary. Horus was the child of a virgin, Isis. The birth of Jesus was marked by a star. The birth of Horus was marked by a star. Jesus was the child teacher in the temple. Horus was the child teacher in the temple. Jesus had 12 disciples. Horus had 12 followers. Jesus was the Morning Star. Horus was the Morning Star. Jesus was the Christ. Horus was the Krst. Jesus was tempted on a mountain by Satan. Horus was tempted on a mountain by Set SOURCES 1 The Phoenician Origin Of Britons, p 47. 2 Arthur Dynott Thomson, On Mankind, Their Origin And Destiny (Kessinger Publishing, P0 Box 160, Kila, MT 59920, USA, first published 1872), p 27. 3 On Mankind, Their Origin And Destiny, pp 8, 9. 4 Ibid, p 9. 5 Michael Drosnin, The Bible Code (Weidenfeld and Nicolson, London, 1997). 6 On Mankind, Their Origin And Destiny, p 17. 7 Ibid, p 6. 8 Ibid, pp 18, 19. 9 Ibid, p 19 10 Ibid, p 41. 11 Ibid, p 12. 12 Ibid. 13 Ibid, p 20. 14 Ibid, p 11. 15 The Secret Teachings Of All Ages, p L. 16 The Phoenician Origin Of Britons, p 147. 17 These examples (and there are countless others) are quoted by Israel Shahak in Jewish History Jewish Religion (Pluto Press, London, 1994). 18 Benjamin Freedman, Facts Are Facts, quoted by Jan Van Helsing in Secret Societies And Their Power In The 20th Century (Ewertverlag, Gran Canaria, Spain, 1995), p 99. 19 Alfred M. Lilenthal, What Price Israel? (Henry Regnery, Chicago, 1953), pp 213-214. 20 Arthur Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe - The Khazar Empire And Its Heritage (Hutchinson, London, 1976). 21 The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, edited by Tim C. Leedom (Kendall/Hunt Publishing, Iowa, USA, 1993), p 137. Available from the Truth Seeker Company, P0 Box 2872, San Diego, California 92112. 22 Ibid, p 135. 23 Albert Churchward, Of Religion, first published 1924 and now available from Health Research, P0 Box 850, Pomeroy, WA 99347, United States. 24 T. W. Doane, Bible Myths (Health Research, P0 Box 850, Pomeroy, WA 99347, United States). This was first copyrighted in 1882, reprinted in 1948, and is available from this address. Highly recommended, especially if you are a Christian. 25 The Phoenician Origin Of Britons, preface, p XI. 26 Ibid. 27 Jordan Maxwell, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, pp 19-31. 28 The Secret Teachings Of All Ages, p CLXXXIII. 29 Ibid, p CLXXXIII. 30 Barbara G. Walker, The Woman’s Encyclopaedia Of Myths And Secrets (Harper Collins, San Francisco, 1983). 31 Jordan Maxwell, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, p27. 32 It is from this that we inherit the Christian term, curate. 33 John Allegro, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, pp 228-233. 34 Laurence Gardner, Bloodline Of The Holy Grail (Element Books, Shaftsbury, 1996), p 63. 35 Alan Albert Snow, director of the Institute for Judeo-Christian Origin Studies, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, pp 63-66. 36 On Mankind, Their Origin and Destiny, p 368. 37 Acts 24:5 38 Albert Snow, Astrology In The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, p 65. 39 Psalms 80:8. 40 Isaiah 5:7. 41 The Occult Conspiracy, p 14. 42 Jordan Maxwell, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, p29. 43 Luke 2:7. 44 Bloodline Of The Holy Grail, p 37. 45 Ibid, pp 36-37. 46 The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, pp 182, 183. 47 Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key (Arrow Books, London, 1997), p 310. 48 John E. Remsburg, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, p 171. 49 Ibid. 50 Ibid, p 172. ------------------ The only other sound's the sweep Of easy wind and downy flake.
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posted September 27, 2006 03:57 AM
Jesus is said to be the ‘judge of the dead’. He has some competition there. This was also said of the earlier Nimrod, Khrishna, Buddha, Ormuzd, Osiris, Aeacus and others. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last. So was Khrishna, Buddha, Laokiun, Bacchus, Zeus and others. Jesus is claimed to have performed miracles such as healing the sick and raising people from the dead. So did Khrishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Bochia, Horus, Osiris, Serapis, Marduk, Bacchus, Hermes and others. Jesus was born of royal blood. So was Buddha, Rama, Fo-hi, Horus, Hercules, Bacchus, Perseus and others. Jesus was born to a virgin. So was Khrishna, Buddha, Lao-kiun or tsze, Confusius, Horus, Ra, Zoroaster, Prometheus, Perseus, Apollo, Mercury, Baldur, Quetzalcoatl and far too many others to mention. Jesus will, we are told, be born again. The sky is going to be rather crowded because Khrishna, Vishnu, Buddha, Quetzalcoatl and others, will also be there. The ‘star’ at the birth of Jesus is another multideity story and goes back at least to the Babylonian tale of Nimrod who, in a dream, saw a brilliant star rising above the horizon. The soothsayers told him that this foretold the birth of a child who would become a great prince
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posted September 27, 2006 04:01 AM
It’s all recycling. Jesus is a myth man (according to this source). The invented character of Jesus was a Sun god, symbolic of God’s ‘Sun’... The Light of the World. This very phrase, Light of the World, was used by the Aryan-Phoenicians to symbolize the ‘one true god’ thousands of years before the alleged birth of Abraham, the quite wrongly named creator of the one-god concept.25 They also symbolized the one true god, the Sun, with the ‘one true cross’ 26
The Christians portray Jesus with a halo around his head and that’s exactly how the Phoenicians depicted the rays of the Sun around the head of their Sun god, Bel or Bil. This can be seen on a Phoenician stone dating to about the 4th century BC The Sun was at the peak of its daily ‘journey’, they prayed to the ‘Most High’. At this time, they said the Sun was going about his father’s work in the temple. The virgin mothers associated with all of these Sun gods were different names for Queen Semiramis and Ninkharsag, also known as Isis, the Egyptian symbol of the female creative force without which nothing, not even the Sun, could exist. Over time, names for what had once symbolized extraterrestrial ‘gods’ became used to describe concepts and esoteric principles. Different eras and cultures gave different names to these same concepts and so in the Gospels, Horus became Jesus and Isis became Mary, the virgin mother of Jesus, the Sun. Mary is constantly pictured holding the baby Jesus, but this is merely a repeat of all the Egyptian portrayals of Isis holding the baby Horus. These people did not actually exist, they are symbolic. Isis became associated with the astrological sign of Virgo the virgin, as did Mary. The titles given to Isis of ‘Star of the Sea’ and ‘Queen of Heaven’ were also given to Mary and they both originate from Queen Semiramis, who was called the Queen of Heaven in Babylon. Christianity and Judaism are both the religion of Babylon. Throughout the world you see the same Sun religions and rituals, in Sumer, Babylon, Assyria, Egypt, Britain, Greece, Europe in general, Mexico and Central America, Australia... everywhere. It was the universal religion inspired by the same, ultimately extraterrestrial, source thousands of years before Christianity. Sun and fire worship was the focus of religions in India where their festivals charted the Sun’s cycle through the year,27 and in the Jesus story you see constant symbolic references to this and to astrology and mystery school symbolism. The crown of thorns is the symbol of the rays of the Sun, just like the crown of spikes around the head of the Statue of Liberty. The cross is also Sun and astrological symbolism, as you saw earlier with the cross and the circle. Leonardo da Vinci, the Grand Master of the Priory of Sion (Sun), used this same symbolism in his famous painting of the Last Supper ------------------ The only other sound's the sweep Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~ IP: Logged |
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He divides the 12 disciples into four groups of three with Jesus, the ‘Sun’, in the middle of them. Again this is astrological symbolism painted by a high initiate of the secret societies and mystery schools who knew the truth. It may well be that da Vinci has portrayed one of the disciples as a woman to symbolize the Isis, Barati, Semiramis, deity. This became symbolized as an ‘M’ for Mary or Madonna (Semiramis). Jesus is said to have been born on December 25th, a date the Christians took from the Sun religions of Sol Invictus (the Sun Unconquered) for reasons I’ve explained. He is also said to have died at Easter on a cross. This is a repeat of the same ancient story again. The Egyptians represented Osiris stretched out on a cross in astrological symbolism. According to the ancients, it took three days for the Sun to recover from ‘death’ on December 2lst/22nd. In the Gospels how many days are there between Jesus ‘dying’ and ‘rising’ from the dead? Three! The same time it took the Babylon Son of God, Tammuz, to rise again. This is how Luke’s Gospel describes what happened as Jesus (the Sun) died on the cross: “And it was about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the Earth until the ninth hour. And the Sun was darkened...” Luke 23-44,45 The son/Sun had died and so there was darkness. And look how many hours this lasted for: three. The same story of darkness at their death was told by the Hindus of Khrishna, the Buddhists of Buddha, the Greeks of Hercules, the Mexicans of Quetzalcoatl, ad infinitum, long before Jesus. When he died, Jesus ‘descended into hell’, just like the earlier Khrishna, Zoroaster, Osiris, Horus, Adonis/Tammuz, Bacchus, Hercules, Mercury and so on. He then rose from the dead like the earlier Khrishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Adonis/Tammuz, Osiris, Mithra, Hercules and Baldur. Jesus was symbolically crucified at Easter because this is the spring equinox when the Sun (Jesus) enters the astrological sign of Aries, the Ram or... the lamb. The lamb in the Book of Revelation is the same symbol. In around 2,200 BC the group known as the Priesthood of Melchizedek began making their aprons with lamb’s wool, a symbol continued today by a modern expression of the Brotherhood, the Freemasons. It is at Easter, the equinox, that Jesus (the Sun) triumphs over darkness - the time of year when there is more light than darkness every day. The world is restored by the power of the Sun in the time of rebirth and the spring equinox was one of the most sacred Egyptian events. Queen Isis was often portrayed with rams heads to symbolize that the time of Aries, the spring, was a period of nature’s abundant creation. The Festival of Easter was as important to early Christians as December 25th. The legend of Mithra said he was crucified and was resurrected on March 25th. The date of Easter is no longer fixed to the first day of Aries, but the symbolism remains. The Christian religious day is... SUNday. Christian churches are build east-west with the altar to the east. This means that the congregation face east - the direction of the rising Sun. Even Easter eggs, like hot cross buns, are not a Christian tradition. Dyed eggs were sacred Easter offerings in Egypt and Persia, among other places. How ironic that the authorities at Westminster Abbey have questioned whether they should have a Christmas tree because it is a Pagan symbol. The whole flippin’ religion is pagan! Along with the Sun symbolism, the Jesus story and its countless predecessors also include initiation symbolism from the mystery schools. The cross as a religious symbol can be found in every culture, from the Native Americans to the Chinese, India, Japan, Egypt, Sumer, the ancient peoples of Europe and central-south America. The Buddhist Wheel of Life is made of two superimposed crosses and birds with their wings open are used to symbolize the cross in endless logos, coats of arms and badges. One of the most ancient forms of the cross is the Tau or Tav cross which resembles the letter T. This was the cross on which political dissidents were hung by the Romans, apparently. It was the symbol of the Druid god, Hu, and it is still used today by the Freemasons in their symbol of the T square. The Egyptian’s Crux Ansata, the ‘cross of life’, added a circle loop to the top. The Crux Ansata and the Tau cross were found on statues and other artwork throughout ancient Central America. It was associated with water and the Babylonians used the cross as an emblem of the water gods who they said had brought them their civilization. The Nagas, by the way, the human-reptile gods of the East, were also said to live in the water. The concept of a saviour god figure dying for humanity is an ancient one. The religions of India had a tradition of the crucified saviour centuries before Christianity and it originated from the Aryans in the Caucasus. The Hindu ‘Christ’ figure, Khrishna, appears in some portrayals nailed to a cross in classic Jesus manner.28 Quetzalcoatl is said to have come out of the sea carrying a cross and he has been represented as being nailed to a cross. In mystery school symbolism, a cross of gold = illumination a cross of silver = purification a cross of base metals = humiliation a cross of wood = aspiration The latter relates to the constant symbolism of the tree and saviour god figures dying on trees or wooden crosses. Some of the Pagan mystery ceremonies involved the student hanging from a cross or lying on an altar in the shape of a cross.29 It symbolized the death of the body, the world of physical domination and desire, and opening to the spiritual self. The driving in of nails and the flow of blood is yet more mystery school symbolism. The crucifixion of Jesus was an allegory, a symbolic event written to carry a hidden meaning. It did not physically happen, you are just meant to think it did. And what of the physical resurrection from the dead by Jesus? St Paul is quoted as saying of this event in his first letter to the Corinthians:
“But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.” Corinthians 15:13-16 He says that if Jesus was not physically raised from the dead, there is no basis to the Christian faith and religion. If that’s the case, Christianity is in serious trouble. First of all the Gospel accounts of the resurrection have numerous contradictions as each copied the original story differently, or changed it on purpose. And secondly the resurrection is yet more Sun symbolism from the ancient religions. In Persia, long before Christianity, they had a ritual in which a young man, apparently dead, was restored to life. He was called the Saviour and his sufferings were said to have ensured the salvation of the people. His priests watched his tomb until midnight on the equinox and they cried:
“Rejoice, O sacred initiated! Your God is risen. His death and sufferings have worked your salvation.” The same tale was told in Egypt about Horus and in India about Khrishna a thousand years before Christianity. The Bible tells us that Jesus will return on a cloud and what do we see among the clouds? The Sun. The tomb of Jesus is symbolic of the darkness into which the Sun descended before its rebirth and nearly all the mystery school initiations involved some sort of cave, underground chamber, or dark enclosed space, like the sweatlodges of native America. Even the story of the spear which pierced the side of Jesus after he was taken from the cross is mystery school symbolism. The Christian legend says that this was done by a blind Roman centurion called Longinus and some of the blood of Jesus fell on his eyes and cured his blindness. Longinus was converted and spent the rest of his life breaking up Pagan idols. Yeah, sure he did. Centurions were not blind and could not have done their job if they were, and once again we find this story is a repeat from earlier versions. The Scandinavian saviour, Balder, son of Odin, had a spear of mistletoe thrust into him by Hod, a god who was blind. March 15th, the Ides of March, was when many Pagan saviours also died. This day was devoted to Hod and later became a Christian feast day to the ‘Blessed Longinus’!30 You’ve got to laugh, really. The symbol of the fish is a theme throughout the Gospel stories and this is symbolic of Nimrod/Tammuz, the father-son, of Babylon. Another reason for Jesus as a fish could be the astrological sign of Pisces, the fishes. Around the time Jesus was supposed to have been born, the Earth was entering the astrological house of Pisces. A new age was being born and Jesus the fish could have been a symbol of the age of Pisces. We are now entering another new age, the age of Aquarius, according to the laws of the ‘Earth wobble’ precession. When the Bible talks of the end of the world, this is another mistranslation.
They translate ‘world’ from the Greek, ‘aeon’, but aeon does not mean world, it means ‘age’.31 We are not facing the end of the world, but the end of the age, the 2,160 years of Pisces. Christianity did not replace the Pagan religions, it is a Pagan religion. The Persians, who inherited their beliefs from Sumer, Egypt and Babylon, had baptism, confirmation, paradise and hell, angels of light and darkness, and a fallen angel. All of these were absorbed by Christianity and claimed for their own. During the alleged life time of Jesus, the Essene Brotherhood, was based at Qumran at the northern end of the Dead Sea, or at least that is what we are told.
Brian Desborough’s research indicates that this site was a leper colony at the time and that the Essenes lived in a much more appropriate place further along the Dead Sea coast. The Dead Sea Scrolls, found in caves near Qumran in 1947, have offered a greater insight into their lifestyle and beliefs, despite suppression by the authorities who wish to maintain the official version of history. The scrolls were hidden from the Romans during the ill-fated Judean revolt around 70 AD. Some 500 Hebrew and Aramaic manuscripts were found, which included texts from the Old Testament, among them a complete draft of the Book of Isaiah, centuries older than the one in the Bible.
There were scores of documents relating to the Essene customs and organization. The scrolls confirm that the Essenes were fanatics who followed to the letter the Levite inventions in the Old Testament texts. Anyone who didn’t do the same was their enemy and they fiercely opposed the Roman occupation. They were a Palestine branch of an even more extreme Egyptian sect called the Therapeutae (‘healers’, hence therapeutic 32) and they inherited the secret knowledge of Egypt and the ancient world. The Therapeutae and the Essenes also used the symbol of the ‘messeh’, the ‘Draco’ crocodile of Egypt, the fat of which anointed the Pharaohs under the authority of the Royal Court of the Dragon. The Essenes had a detailed understanding of drugs, including the hallucinogenic variety, which were used in mystery school initiations and for entering other states of consciousness. The properties of the ‘sacred mushrooms’ or ‘Holy Plant’ were so much part of life in the secret brotherhood that the Jewish high priest wore a mushroom cap (see Figure 17) to acknowledge their importance. They had special rituals for their preparation and use. The mushroom, too, was given son of God’ connotations (what wasn’t?) and it was connected to the Sun cycle. ------------------ The only other sound's the sweep Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~ IP: Logged |
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The mushrooms were picked with great reverence before sunrise and many symbols of this ritual can be found in the Bible and far older texts. Again, the use of the sacred mushroom and other drugs, and the secret knowledge of their properties, can be traced back to the earliest days of Sumer.33 The Therapeutae had a flourishing university at Alexandria and from there they sent out missionaries to establish branches and affiliated communities across the Middle East. Here again we have the connection back to Egypt and the mystery schools. The Essenes were advocates of Pythagoras, the Greek philosopher and esoteric mathematician, who was a high initiate of both the Greek and Egyptian mystery schools.34 According to the most famous historian of the period, Josephus, the Essenes were sworn to keep secret the names of the powers who ruled the universe. This was in line with the laws of the mystery schools. The Essenes-Therapeutae practiced rituals very similar to the later Christian baptism and they marked the foreheads of initiates with a cross. This being the symbol indicated in the Old Testament Book of Ezekiel for enlightened (or illuminated) ones and also used for initiations into the mysteries of Mithra and other such Sun god figures. The Essenes viewed natural bodily functions, including sex, with disgust and in that sense they were an excellent forerunner of the Roman Church which was to absorb many of their beliefs, terms and practices. Two of the Dead Sea Scrolls, one in Hebrew, the other in Aramaic, contain what we would call horoscopes, the belief that the movement of the planets affects a person’s character and destiny. The Essenes practiced astrology, the symbolism of which you find throughout the Gospels and the Old Testament. The early Christians, an offshoot of the Essenes-Therapeutae, did the same, as did the Romans and all the Gentile nations surrounding Judea.35 The writer, Philo, who lived at the alleged time of Jesus, said in his Treatise on the Contemplative Life, that when the Therapeutae prayed to God, they turned to the Sun and they studied in order to discover the hidden (coded) meaning of sacred books. He wrote that they also meditated on the secrets of nature contained in the books under the veil of allegory.36 That is precisely the way the Bible is written. Today this secret language is used in the logos, coats of arms and flags, of companies, countries and other Brotherhood-controlled organizations. Interconnected with the Essenes and a theme which links both the Old and New Testaments is the secret society called the Nazarites or Nazarenes. Old Testament characters such as Moses and Samson were said to be members of this group and so were Jesus, his brother James, John the Baptist and St Paul.
The Acts of the Apostles says of St Paul: “For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all of the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes.”37 None of these people really existed, but the Nazarene symbolism makes a secret society link through the Bible. The Essenes and the Nazarites-Nazarenes appear to be different offshoots of the same group. The Essenes wore white according to the Judean historian Josephus, but the Nazarenes wore black, the same as the priests of Isis in Egypt. Black is a colour of the Babylonian Brotherhood which has manipulated its way through history. In keeping with this, black has become the colour associated with authority (look at the legal profession) and with death. It is also the traditional colour of the teaching profession with the black gown and the black hat called the mortar board, which is the circle and square symbol of Freemasonry. The greatest miracle of Jesus, it seems, was coming from Nazareth because Nazareth did not exist at the time. And Jesus said: “Let there be Nazareth. And there was Nazareth.” Or rather, there wasn’t. The name does not appear in any of the detailed Roman records, nor in any books, writings or documents of any kind relating to the period covered by the Gospels. Jesus the ‘Nazarene’ does not relate to Nazareth, but to the Nazarene secret society. The Essenes-Therapeutae-Nazarenes were the bridge between the Old Testament, the New Testament and the creation of Christianity. The early ‘Christians’ were called Nazarenes before they were called Christians.38 The rituals of the Nazarene Brotherhood can be clearly seen in the Christian Church today. The Nazarenes wore black and so do most Christian clerics. At Qumran they had a ritual bath to wash away their ‘sins’. This became the Christian baptism. They had a meal of bread and wine which became the Christian Mass.
W. Wynn Westcott was a founder of the Satanic Order of the Golden Dawn in England which would later play a significant role in the emergence of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. He knew the inside story and he said in his work, The Magical Mason, that today’s Freemasons go back to the Essenes among other ancient groups of similar background. Today the Arabic word for Christians is Nasrani and the Muslim Koran uses the term Nasara or Nazara. These originate with the Hebrew word, Nozrim, which derived from the term, Nozrei ha-Brit - the Keepers of the Covenant. The term, Nozrei ha-Brit, can be traced as far back as the alleged time of Samuel and Samson in the Old Testament. Samuel was portrayed as the top man of the Levites and it was they who orchestrated this whole Bible-Talmud scam under the direction of the Babylonian Brotherhood. The Covenant is the Freemason’s Great Work of Ages - the Agenda for the takeover of the planet by the reptilians. The bloodlines, the ‘chosen people’ of the gods, and the secret knowledge, are symbolized as ‘the vine’ and ‘vineyards’ in the Bible and countless other writings and pictures. The Old Testament speaks of “The vine thou didst bring out of Egypt”.39
We are also told that “The vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the House of Israel and the men of Judah his pleasant plant”40 The bloodline symbolized as the vine is not, I would strongly suggest, the bloodline of King David at all. He didn’t exist for a start, which confirms the point rather conclusively. The symbolism of the vine can once again be traced back to Babylon and Egypt. In the mystery schools of Greece, their Sun gods Dionysus and Bacchus, were the patron gods of the vineyard.41 What do grapes depend upon to grow? The Sun. The vine and the bloodline of ‘Jesus’ weaved in among that Sun symbolism is one of the royal and priestly bloodlines which lead back to the reptilians, the Anunnaki. The New Testament features the Wedding at Cana, but this was not a real wedding. It is again symbolic of the Sun and the Earth, the god and goddess. In the land of Canaan every spring, they celebrated sexual and fertility rites under the title, ‘The Marriage Festival of Canaan’.42 It was at the symbolic wedding at Cana in the Gospels that Jesus turns the water into wine. It is the Sun’s warmth and the Earth’s water which grow the grapes to make wine. Bacchus, the Greek son of Zeus and the virgin Semele, was said to have turned water into wine. Also there were Essene ritual terms related to water and wine. The Essenes, Therapeutae and Gnostics were seriously into hidden meanings and the Jesus stories are a mass of interweaved allegories related to the Sun, astronomy, astrology, bloodlines, secret knowledge and the rituals and names used by the mystery schools. The New Testament is a mirror of the Old in that some fact, much fiction, and a mass of esoteric codes and symbols are fused, and often con-fused, into a narrative which is desperately misleading if taken literally. This is summed up by the phrase: “Let he who has ears, let him hear”. Let he who is initiated into the secret knowledge understand what I am really saying. Let he who is not initiated believe any old crap. ------------------ The only other sound's the sweep Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~ IP: Logged |
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posted September 27, 2006 04:09 AM
Here are a few more Bible myths to explode: The idea of the ‘carpenter’ is a translation error. The English translation of ‘carpenter’ comes from the Hebrew word naggar, via the Greek, ho tekton. These words do not mean literally a ‘carpenter’, but people who were masters of their craft and the word was applied to teachers and scholars as well as craftsmen. Jesus was definitely not born in a stable and not a single gospel claims this is so. The Christmas nativity is complete invention. The concept comes from Luke’s Gospel43 which says that Jesus was laid in a manger, an animal feeding box, because there was no room in the inn. But the Greek version, from which the English translation came, says there was no ‘topos’ in the ‘kataluma’ - there was no place in the room.44 Matthew’s Gospel specifically states that Jesus was in a house: “And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary, his mother, and fell down and worshipped him.”45 Mangers were often used for babies when a proper cradle was not available, but they moved the manger to the baby, not the baby to the manger! The nativity scene apparently originates with St Francis of Assisi in Greccio, Italy, in 1223 AD.46 He brought together some local people and their livestock to illustrate the birth of Jesus and this nativity scene quickly caught on. Manger scenes carved from wood became popular all over Italy at Christmas and the rest is history. Giving gifts is not a Christian custom, either. This was done in the Pagan world at New Year long before Christianity. The Christians simply borrowed it, as they did everything else. The prophecies said that the ‘messiah’ (messeh, the crocodile of Egypt) would be called Emmanuel, but the name of the Gospel ‘messiah’ was Jesus, or at least its Judean equivalent. Oops! Funny how Christians seem to miss this point when they quote the prophecy about the coming of ‘Emmanuel’ every Christmas. Think of all those children who have been dressed up as Mary, Joseph, shepherds, wise men, donkeys, cows and sheep. This fantasy has been used to indoctrinate countless generations to believe that this is how it all happened, when, in truth, the nativity and the Christmas story are the acting out of translation errors, an invention of St Francis, and the mid-winter rituals of Pagan beliefs. I say, Jenny and Johnny, before you don those costumes this year, can I have a quiet word? The Christian Eucharist, when they eat bread and drink wine to symbolize the body and blood of Christ, originates with a cannibalistic ritual when they ate and drank the real thing in animal and human sacrifices. Most of the Christian terms come from the Greek, including Christ and Christianity. Among many others are Church (the Lord’s House), Ecclesiastical (Ecclesia, the Greek Assembly or Parliament), Apostle (missionary), Presbyter/priest (elder), and baptism (immersion). Even according to the Gospel stories, Jesus was surrounded by terrorists. Simon Magus was known as Simon Zelotes (the Zealot) to acknowledge his role as a commander of the Zealots, the ‘freedom fighters’ who advocated a war against the Romans. Another description is Simon ‘Kananites’, a Greek word meaning fanatic. This was translated into English as Simon the Canaanite! Judas ‘Iscariot’ derives from the word Sicarius, which meant assassin. There was a terrorist group called the Sicani or Sons of the Dagger, and this name comes from the word, Sica, meaning curved dagger. Sicarius became the Greek, Sikariotes, and this was later mistranslated into English as Iscariot. The Zealots-Sicani would raid Roman supply caravans and ambush their soldiers very much along the lines of terrorist groups like the IRA in Northern Ireland. People were not crucified for theft which makes the story of the two thieves crucified with Jesus another invention. It is a ‘steal’ once again because the same story was told about some of the pre-Christian Jesus figures. The punishment for the ‘crimes’ Jesus was accused of in the Gospels would have been stoning to death by the Judean authorities, not the Romans. Pontius Pilatus, the Roman Procurator in this period, is supposed to have washed his hands and passed on responsibility for the death of ‘Jesus’ to the crowd. The washing of hands to indicate innocence was the custom of the Essene community.47 The Bible says that it was the Roman custom at the time of the Passover Festival to offer a prisoner for release, but this is simply not true. There was no such custom and the scene is invention. You can write an entire book about the myths in the Bible and, in fact, someone has. It’s called, appropriately, Bible Myths, and if you want detailed documentation of the information in this chapter I thoroughly recommend it. There is no credible evidence whatsoever for the existence of Jesus. No archaeological evidence, no written evidence, nothing. So it is with Solomon, Moses, David, Abraham, Samson and countless other biblical ‘stars’. All we have are the Levite texts and the Gospel stories in their various versions. So desperate did the religious manipulators become to cross reference ‘Jesus’ that they inserted a pathetically obvious addition into the works of the ‘Jewish’ historian, Josephus, to support the unsupportable. More than 40 writers are known to have chronicled the events of these lands during the alleged time of Jesus, but they don’t mention him.48 A guy who did all the things that he was supposed to have done and no-one records it? Philo lived throughout the supposed life of Jesus and wrote a history of the Judeans which covered the whole of this period. He even lived in or near Jerusalem when Jesus was said to have been born and Herod was supposed to have killed the children, yet he doesn’t record any of this. He was there when Jesus is said to have made his triumphant arrival in Jerusalem and when he was crucified and rose from the dead on the third day. What does Philo say about these fantastic events? Nothing. Not a syllable. Not a titter.49 None of this is mentioned in any Roman record or in the contemporary accounts of the writers of Greece and Alexandria who were familiar with what happened there.50
Why? Because it didn’t happen. It was a symbolic, coded story to pass on esoteric and astrological knowledge of many kinds and, most crucially, to create another prison-religion based on the symbols of the Babylonian Brotherhood. The human race has been had. Big time.
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1 The Phoenician Origin Of Britons, p 47. 2 Arthur Dynott Thomson, On Mankind, Their Origin And Destiny (Kessinger Publishing, P0 Box 160, Kila, MT 59920, USA, first published 1872), p 27. 3 On Mankind, Their Origin And Destiny, pp 8, 9. 4 Ibid, p 9. 5 Michael Drosnin, The Bible Code (Weidenfeld and Nicolson, London, 1997). 6 On Mankind, Their Origin And Destiny, p 17. 7 Ibid, p 6. 8 Ibid, pp 18, 19. 9 Ibid, p 19 10 Ibid, p 41. 11 Ibid, p 12. 12 Ibid. 13 Ibid, p 20. 14 Ibid, p 11. 15 The Secret Teachings Of All Ages, p L. 16 The Phoenician Origin Of Britons, p 147. 17 These examples (and there are countless others) are quoted by Israel Shahak in Jewish History Jewish Religion (Pluto Press, London, 1994). 18 Benjamin Freedman, Facts Are Facts, quoted by Jan Van Helsing in Secret Societies And Their Power In The 20th Century (Ewertverlag, Gran Canaria, Spain, 1995), p 99. 19 Alfred M. Lilenthal, What Price Israel? (Henry Regnery, Chicago, 1953), pp 213-214. 20 Arthur Koestler, The Thirteenth Tribe - The Khazar Empire And Its Heritage (Hutchinson, London, 1976). 21 The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, edited by Tim C. Leedom (Kendall/Hunt Publishing, Iowa, USA, 1993), p 137. Available from the Truth Seeker Company, P0 Box 2872, San Diego, California 92112. 22 Ibid, p 135. 23 Albert Churchward, Of Religion, first published 1924 and now available from Health Research, P0 Box 850, Pomeroy, WA 99347, United States. 24 T. W. Doane, Bible Myths (Health Research, P0 Box 850, Pomeroy, WA 99347, United States). This was first copyrighted in 1882, reprinted in 1948, and is available from this address. Highly recommended, especially if you are a Christian. 25 The Phoenician Origin Of Britons, preface, p XI. 26 Ibid. 27 Jordan Maxwell, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, pp 19-31. 28 The Secret Teachings Of All Ages, p CLXXXIII. 29 Ibid, p CLXXXIII. 30 Barbara G. Walker, The Woman’s Encyclopaedia Of Myths And Secrets (Harper Collins, San Francisco, 1983). 31 Jordan Maxwell, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, p27. 32 It is from this that we inherit the Christian term, curate. 33 John Allegro, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, pp 228-233. 34 Laurence Gardner, Bloodline Of The Holy Grail (Element Books, Shaftsbury, 1996), p 63. 35 Alan Albert Snow, director of the Institute for Judeo-Christian Origin Studies, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, pp 63-66. 36 On Mankind, Their Origin and Destiny, p 368. 37 Acts 24:5 38 Albert Snow, Astrology In The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, p 65. 39 Psalms 80:8. 40 Isaiah 5:7. 41 The Occult Conspiracy, p 14. 42 Jordan Maxwell, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, p29. 43 Luke 2:7. 44 Bloodline Of The Holy Grail, p 37. 45 Ibid, pp 36-37. 46 The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, pp 182, 183. 47 Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key (Arrow Books, London, 1997), p 310. 48 John E. Remsburg, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, p 171. 49 Ibid. 50 Ibid, p 172. Silverstone
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posted September 27, 2006 08:52 AM
Silverstone Great research! The thing about Jesus(?) being a Sun deity is here in the Bible, but most folks miss it:Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. Also both Lucifer and him are known as the Morning Star. The characters depicted as good in the Bible are more devil/demon like than lovely. Flames and fire, dark smoke, loving burnt flesh, condoning violent murders of children too, flaming hemorrhoids, vengence, (for burning incense even!) and commanding the killing of children for talking back, or old men for gathering firewood and more atrocities) and stingers etcetera. How odd.
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posted September 27, 2006 11:25 PM
There is good and bad in each and every One of US..the angel on one shoulder and the Devil on the other. ...we must each find OurSelf..before we can go further... . IP: Logged |
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posted September 28, 2006 12:06 AM
OK. This is some shakey stuff, but since we are in the subject of Crucifixion, and this is an open forum, I will continue from this source. I hope we can have an open discussion. Again, while I do not agree with some of it, I find many theories here are closer to the truth. I respect everyone's beliefs and points of view:Conquered by the cross The Christian Church is a farce founded on a fantasy. If anyone requires confirmation of how easy it is for the few to control the masses, they need look no further than the billions of people who have worshipped the fairy tales peddled these past 2,000 years by men in long frocks. And what goes for Christianity goes for the rest of them, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and all the rest. These religions were created by the same force to achieve the same effect and, therefore, the saviour-god myths throughout the ancient world have an identical game plan:
1. You are born with original sin and so you are an unworthy piece of sh!t from the day you arrive on the planet. 2. You can only be saved by believing in the ‘Saviour’ and that means doing what the priesthood tell you to do. 3. If you don’t do that, you will be condemned to the bowels of hell forever. What guilt and terror this has created over thousands of years. I have heard Roman Catholic mothers in anguish after their babies have died wondering what will have happened to them. The babies couldn’t believe in Jesus because they were only a few days old, so would they go to heaven or hell? I was watching a Roman Catholic television channel in the United States and the guy with the long frock was asked about that. He said it was a profound theological question. Oh really? He said that either the baby’s soul would go into limbo (until when one wonders?) or it would be judged on the behaviour of the parents. What staggering nonsense. Thank goodness the baby won’t be judged on the behaviour of the priests. And if you can only be saved by believing in Jesus, what about all those billions of people throughout the period of Christianity who lived in vast areas of the world who had never heard of Jesus? Are they all condemned by lack of information to stoke the fires, too? Bit of an arsehole, this Christian God, eh? But of course it’s not true. It’s all make-believe, conjured up by the Babylonian Brotherhood initiates of the reptilians to control the minds of the masses. When I was writing this section of the book and investigating where the Gospels came from, I was reaching to take a book from a high shelf in my office. As I pulled the book down, another smaller one fell to the floor. I don’t remember seeing it before, but the title immediately caught my attention. It was The True Authorship Of The New Testament by Abelard Reuchlin, first printed in the United States in 1979.1
It talked about an inner circle or inner ring, the most exclusive club in history, who knew the ‘Great Secret’. In this circle were those religious, political and literary leaders, who knew the truth about Jesus, but did not want anyone else to know. What struck me was that this book came to the same conclusions that I had. The Gospels are an invention designed to manufacture a new prison-religion. SOURCES 1 Abelard Reuchlm, The True Authorship Of The New Testament (the Abelard Reuchlm Foundation, P0 Box 5652, Kent, WA, USA, 1979). 2 Ibid, p 1. 3 Ibid, pp 4-5. 4 Ibid, p 12. 5 Ibid, p 5. 6 Ibid, p 22. 7 Michael Howard, The Occult Conspiracy (Destiny Books, Rochester, Vermont, 1989), p 18. 8 Bloodline Of The Holy Grail, p 132. 9 The True Authorship Of The New Testament, p ii. 10 Ibid, p 14. 11 Acts 9: 17-18. 12 Romans 16: 11. 13 The True Authorship Of The New Testament, p 15. 14 Ibid, p 15. 15 Ibid, p 16. 16 Ibid, p 15. 17 Ibid, p 27. 18 Arthur Findlay, The Curse Of Ignorance, A History Of Mankind (Headquarters Publishing Company, London, first published 1947), Volume I, p 549. 19 Matthew 16:18-19. 20 Matthewl6:23. 21 The Occult Conspiracy, p 18. 22 Ibid. 23 Ibid. 24 The Curse Of Ignorance, Volume I, p 636. 25 Ibid, p 637. 26 Morton Smith, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You To Read, p 176. 27 MarklO:17-23. 28 Morton Smith, The Secret Gospel (Victor Gollancz, London, 1974). 29 Quoted by Euctace Mullins in The Curse Of Canaan (Revelation Books, P0 Box 11105, Staunton, VA), p 44. 30 Fritz Springmeier, The Top 13 Illuminati Bloodlines (Springmeier, Lincoln, Portland, Oregon, 1995), p 151. 31 William Cooper, Behold A Pale Horse (Light Technology Publishing, P0 Box 1495, Sedona, Arizona, USA, 1991), pp 212-213. ------------------ The only other sound's the sweep Of easy wind and downy flake.
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posted September 28, 2006 12:11 AM
The [information] doesn’t go into all the symbolism I have documented here, but it does name the family and others who wrote the New Testament and the codes they used to ‘sign’ their authorship. One of these codes, interestingly, is the number 40 I highlighted earlier. Forty was also represented by the letter M, as in Mary. The letter M is very significant to the Brotherhood still today and we see it everywhere in the symbol of the McDonalds fast food chain. We will see later how the big corporations use Brotherhood symbolism in their logos and names. M means Mary or Madonna, who means Semiramis. The wealth of evidence in Reuchlin’s book, much of it complex and dealing with esoteric mathematical codes, is extremely compelling. I do recommend you try to get hold of a copy if you want the full details. The opening paragraph encapsulates its findings: “The New Testament, the Church and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius Piso (pronounced Peso) family, who were Roman aristocrats. The New Testament and all the characters in it - Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, John the Baptist - all are fictional. The Pisos created the story and the characters; they tied the story to a specific time and place in history; and they connected it with some peripheral actual people, such as the Herods, Gamaliel, the Roman procurators, etc. But Jesus and everyone involved with him were created (that is fictional!) characters.”2 The Pisos were a bloodline family descended from statesmen, consuls, poets and historians, and such people would definitely be initiates of the secret society network of the Roman Empire, a major stepping stone for the reptilian full-bloods and crossbreeds to the present day. This is why a Roman soldier is the logo of that Brotherhood operation, American Express. The Piso family claimed to descend from Calpus who, they said, was the son of Numa Pompilius, the successor to Romulus, the founder of Rome. These were seriously connected people. Such Roman bloodlines are said to have come from Troy and we are looking at a family which goes back to the Caucasus and the Near East. After the destruction of Troy around 1,200 BC, the story goes that a guy called Aeneas of a ‘royal’ (that is reptilian) bloodline went with the remnants of his people and settled in Italy. There he married into the royal family of the Latins and through this bloodline later emerged the Roman Empire. According to many traditions, the grandson of Aeneas, a man called Brutus, landed in Britain around 1,103 BC with a group of Trojans, including some from colonies in Spain, to become King of the Britons and found the city of New Troy - London. Lucius Calpurnius Piso, the head of the family, was married to the great granddaughter of Herod the Great. According to Reuchlin’s research, Piso, who used many pseudonyms, produced his ‘Ur Marcus’, the first version of the Gospel of Mark, in about 60AD. One of the friends who encouraged him was the famous Roman writer, Annaeus Seneca, but it seems that both of them were killed by the Emperor Nero in the year 65.
With this, the name Piso disappears from Roman history and doesn’t reappear until 138 AD when Piso’s grandson, Antoninus, became emperor. But from this point the family are mostly known as the Antonines, not the Pisos. In the 73 years between the death of father Piso and the emergence of Antoninus, the foundations for Christianity were written and proclaimed under assumed names. After the death of his father at the hands of Nero, Piso’s son, Anus, who used a number of names, including Cestius Gallus, was made governor of Syria. This gave him command over the Roman army in Judea. He was involved in the Judean revolt in 66 AD which Vespasian was sent to Judea to quell. Emperor Nero was assassinated in 68 AD by an agent of Piso according to Reuchlin. This certainly makes sense if Nero killed his father. With this, the Piso clan threw their power and manipulation behind Vespasian and he became Emperor of Rome in 69 AD. A year later the Romans destroyed Jerusalem, stole the temple treasures, including it is claimed the Ark of the Covenant, and apparently took them back to Rome where they entered the secret society underground. This underground was nothing less than the Babylonian Brotherhood. Reuchlin says that Anus Calpurnius Piso then wrote three of the Gospels in the following order:
The Gospel of Matthew (70-75 AD) The updated Mark (75-80) With the help of the Roman writer and statesman, Pliny the Younger, the updated Luke (85-90) The Gospel of John, the work of Anus’s son, Justus, followed in 105.3 ------------------ The only other sound's the sweep Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~ IP: Logged |
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posted September 28, 2006 12:18 AM
As Reuchlin says, ‘Jesus’ was a composite figure and the stories include elements of the tales of Joseph in Egypt and other Old Testament characters, plus some Essene writings and characteristics of various Pagan gods. This is precisely what the evidence I have documented confirms. The several Josephs in the story are all the creation of Piso and part of the code. The letters in the name Piso translate in Hebrew as Yud, Vov; Samech, Fey, and they spell the name, Joseph. Another code Piso used for himself in the stories is the number 60. Reuchlin points out the many similarities between the Jesus story and the one of the Old Testament character, Joseph, which Piso used as a foundation: Joseph had 12 brothers, Jesus 12 disciples; Joseph was sold for 20 pieces of silver, Jesus for 30 pieces of silver (inflation); brother Judah suggests the sale of Joseph, Judas sells Jesus; Joseph is in Egypt where the first born are killed, Jesus and family flee to Egypt to avoid the slaying of male children. Piso uses his four sons as the disciples, John (Julius), James (Justus), Simon-Peter (Proculus), and Alexander (Andrew).4 Julius, Justus and Proculus, would go on to write some later New Testament texts. Piso makes Jesus fulfill a number of Old Testament prophecies, particularly those of Isaiah. Reuchlin says that the Pisos made changes and additions to some Old Testament texts also, and wrote most of the 14 Old Testament books known as the Apocrypha. These included Esdras, 1 Maccabbees, Judith, Tobit, Bel and the Dragon.5 The Pisos were Stoics (hence Stoical) and the Stoics believed that people were motivated by, and controllable through, the use of fear and hope6 (the very methods of the Babylonian Brotherhood). What better way of describing the religions which have been spawned by the Old and New Testaments? Another manifestation of Anus Piso was Flavius Josephus, the writer I have quoted once or twice. The reason that Piso, as Josephus, and his granddaughter’s husband Pliny the Younger, do not mention Jesus in their official writings is because at the time it simply would not have been credible to do so. It was only with the passage of time as the true origin of ‘Jesus’ was lost that the stories became accepted as ‘fact’. The official history of Josephus is that he was a Judean descended from Hasmonean royalty.
He fought against the Romans and although his friends committed suicide when the revolt went pear-shaped, he gave himself up and was spared. More than that, we are told he was housed in Rome by the emperors for 30 years while he wrote books on Jewish ‘history’ and then married his granddaughter into the Roman aristocracy. Oh, do come on. Josephus was the Roman aristocrat, Anus Calpurnius Piso, and together with his sons and Pliny the Younger, they wrote the Gospels and the rest of the New Testament. Pliny wrote a number of the epistles (letters) under the name St Ignatius, and this same group, under various names, were the early church ‘fathers’. And who was to turn this Roman invention into the vast prison-religion it was to become? A Roman emperor in the same Babylonian Brotherhood as the Pisos, called Constantine the Great. What was the vehicle for doing this? The Roman Church based in Rome! Geoffrey Higgins in his epic work, Anacalypsis, shows how Rome was created as a new Babylon. No wonder Christianity is so awash with Babylonian symbols.
The whole thing was a set up to create yet another religion to entrap the human mind, and the hierarchy of the Christian Church today know all this! The Church elite have always known this because they are part of the secret society stream which created the myth called Christianity. Cynical lies like the Turin Shroud, which has been connected with the Knights Templar secret society, have been invented to perpetuate the propaganda. The force which invented Jesus and Christianity is the same force which still controls the world today. For instance, the Roman College of Architects was a forerunner of today’s Freemasons, only the name has changed. The Romans used the same symbols of the square and compass and so on. A temple used by this college in Pompeii was lost under the eruptions of Vesuvius in 71 AD and excavators have recovered from the temple a hexagram ‘Star of David’, a skull and a black and white tracing board first used by the Dionysian Artificers.7 All these symbols are used by today’s Freemasons. The Judean battle against Rome continued until the final defeat of the Zealots in 74 AD at Masada, the flat-topped mountain stronghold overlooking the Dead Sea. It was the last bastion of the Essene community who had evacuated their base further down the coast. As the Judean Zealots were routed by the Romans, many members of the Nazarene secret society headed into Jordan, Mesopotamia, Syria and Turkey, as documented by Julius Africanus, who lived in Turkey around 200 AD.
Joseph of Arimathea, the biblical ‘uncle’ of Jesus, is said to have travelled to France to spread the word. The Vatican librarian, Cardinal Baronius, said that Joseph first arrived in Marseilles in 35 AD and later went on to Britain.8 ‘Mary Magdalene’ and offspring of ‘Jesus’ are also said to have headed for the South of France after the ‘crucifixion’. This is the foundation of the Holy Grail story which claims that the Jesus bloodline became the Merovingians in France. Well that’s crap because these people didn’t exist and note the source of this story, the librarian of the Vatican Library of the Roman Church in Rome. So what was so special suddenly about Provence and the South of France? Guess where the Piso family had extensive estates? In Gaul and, more specifically, in... Provence! 9
No wonder the ‘vine’ (bloodline/knowledge) can be identified in this very part of France. Centuries later it became one version of the Holy Grail story of so much myth and legend. These are the symbolic stories of King Arthur (another ‘Sun’), and they can also be seen in the tarot cards and the music and art of Europe for centuries. The Grail has been portrayed as the cup or chalice which held the blood of Jesus at the crucifixion. But this blood was merely symbolic of the blood which flowed in the ancient rituals in which lambs were sacrificed at the spring equinox and, for the more initiated, the bloodlines which go back to the reptilian ‘gods’. In the early manuscripts of the Grail stories, the ‘Holy Grail’ is called the Sangraal. How close this is to the Sang Raal, the Old French term meaning blood royal. This royal blood, as we shall establish, was the bloodlines of the reptilian-human crossbreeds and had nothing to do with ‘Jesus’. The Sun god composite, symbolically known as Jesus, was transformed into a supernatural Son of God by the man we call St Paul, whose original name in the stories was Saul of Tarsus. Officially, St Paul was born to Judean parents and, like them, became a Roman citizen, despite being a Pharisee and a strict adherent to the Hebrew religion. Who else was supposed to be a Judean who became a Roman? Josephus, the pseudonym for Piso, who wrote the Gospels! St Paul, it is said, encouraged the persecution of the early Christians, but had a conversion on the road to Damascus when Jesus miraculously ‘appeared’ to him and asked: “Why do you persecute me?”
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posted September 28, 2006 12:19 AM
However, Paul had three versions of his story. In one he heard the voice of Jesus speak to him (Acts 9:7). In another he saw a great light, but without the voice (Acts 22:9). And in the third, he has Jesus giving him instructions about his future mission (Acts 26:13). Paul was the creation of Pliny the Younger (military name, Maximus) and Justus Piso.10 They introduced into Paul’s story many of their friends and associates, and characters from the family’s history. For instance, the man called ‘Ananias’ in Acts who cures Paul of blindness was inspired by Annaeus Seneca who died with father Piso at the hands of Nero.11 And in Romans, you find the phrase: “Greet Herodion my kinsman”, a code for the Piso family’s connection with Herod the Great.12 Paul did not spread the Jesus message to Cyprus, Crete, Macedonia, Asia, Greece and Rome. Pliny and the Pisos did.
Between 100 and 105 Justus, his father, and Pliny, together with their family, friends and slaves, went to Asia Minor (now Turkey), the Greek cities and Alexandria, among many other places, to ‘encourage’ the poor and the slaves into joining their new faith.13 The first churches were created in Bithynia and Pontus by Pliny. He had visited these places a number of times from the year 85 AD and this is the origin of the first name of Pontius Pilate. He was only called Pilate in Matthew and Mark, the first gospels written by the Pisos, but in Luke, the one Piso wrote with Pliny, Pilate suddenly acquires the name, Pontius. Luke was written in the very years that Pliny began to visit Pontus.14 Pliny’s letters, written under his own name, say that Justus Piso was in Bithynia in the years 96 and 98 using the name, Tullius Justus, and that the Pisos also located in Ephesus, the home of the cult and temple to the goddess Diana, another version of Isis, Semiramis, Barati, ad infinitum. As they travelled they claimed to be apostles and bishops, the successors to their inventions, Peter and Paul. They claimed to be Ignatius (Pliny), Justinus (Justus), Clement of Rome (Julius), Polycarp (Proculus), and Papias (Julianus, son of Justus).15 By this time, a Piso, Pompeia Plotina (real name Claudia Phoebe), was the wife of the Roman Emperor, Trajan, and so they had tremendous support from the highest level for their manipulation.16 She also appears as ‘our sister Phoebe’ and as ‘Claudia’ and ‘Claudine’ in the texts called Romans, Timothy and Clement.17 The Pisos and Pliny introduced into their stories all the symbols of the Sun religion and Babylonian Brotherhood myths. They locate their Saul/Paul in Tarsus in Asia Minor (now Turkey), the chief city of the Cilicians. This just happens to be a major centre for the Mithra Sun religion and it was the Cilicians who had taken this cult to Rome, from where it spread throughout the empire. Asia Minor was also a region which followed the cult of Dionysus. Both were symbolic Sun gods, born on December 25th, who died so our sins could be forgiven. ------------------ The only other sound's the sweep Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~ IP: Logged |
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posted September 28, 2006 12:20 AM
Everything Christians believe about Jesus, the Romans and Persians believed about Mithra. Sunday was the sacred day for Mithraists because he was a Sun God and they called this The Lord’s Day. Dionysus was born to a virgin mother, and he was known as: the Vine, Our Lord, the Saviour, the Judge of the Dead, the Deliverer, the Born Again and the only begotten Son of God. Above the head of Dionysus were the words: “I am Life, Death, and Resurrection, I hold the winged crown (the Sun).”18 The writer, H. G. Wells, pointed out that many of the phrases used by Paul for Jesus were the same as those used by the followers of Mithra. The Liturgy of Mithra is the Liturgy of Jesus. When Paul says: “They drank from the spiritual rock and that rock was Christ” (I Corinthians 10:4), he was using exactly the same words found in the scriptures of Mithra. Only the names were changed. In the Gospels, Peter became the Christian ‘rock’ on whom the new church would be built. The Vatican Hill in Rome was said to be sacred to Peter, but this place was also claimed, much earlier, to be sacred to Mithra and many Mithric remains have been found there! The Piso clan turned Mithra into Myth-ra - Christianity. All the Popes have claimed to rule as the heirs to Peter, the first Pope. This claim derives from a sentence in the Bible which has Jesus saying: “Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church.”19 Only four verses after supposedly making Peter the ‘rock’ on which he would build his church, comes this demolition of him:
“But he (Jesus) turned, and said unto Peter, ‘Get thee behind me Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men’.”20 The ‘rock’ is classic mystery school symbolism, as is the ‘corner stone’ associated with Jesus and still used in Freemasonic symbolism today. Peter is supposed to be the custodian of the keys to Heaven, but this is just a rerun of the mystery school symbol of the two-faced Janus, custodian of the key to the Temple of Wisdom and the keys to heaven held by Mithra. And Janus was Eannus, a title for Nimrod in Babylon. The gold and silver keys of St Peter’s alleged successor, the Pope, are more symbols of the secret doctrine. The Popes and those who control them know what all this stuff really means. Gold and silver are the precious metals used to symbolise the Sun and the Moon. Peter and Paul are both said to have been killed in Rome during the purge of Christians by the Emperor Nero, but there is no evidence to confirm this because it didn’t happen.
Two other people who were said to have been killed by Nero, however, were Lucius Calpurnius Piso, the head of the family, and his friend Annaeus Seneca! As the years passed, the Sun religion and the esoteric symbolism of the mystery schools, were transformed into a religion based on the literal translation of symbolic texts. On this misunderstanding and deceit Christianity was built. We are led to believe that the Christian Church emerged as one unit, but this is simply not true. There were many factions across a wide spectrum of views arguing and battling for supremacy as the holders of ‘the truth’. The fiercest conflict ensued between the followers of the St Paul version of Jesus as the supernatural Son of God, and the Arians, who believed he was a man, not God.
The Arians were named after Anus, a churchman in Alexandria, Egypt, who questioned that Jesus could be the same as God. Had not Jehovah said that he was the only God? How then could God be in three parts as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? The ‘trinity’ is a Pagan concept and part of Babylonian and Egyptian belief. Now if we lived in a world full of mature adults, we would allow people the respect and freedom to believe anything they like so long as they don’t impose it on others. Just because we may think it is wrong or a nonsense should not matter. My problem with Christianity and religion in general is not that anyone believes it, that is their right, what I challenge is the way it has been imposed upon people through the use of fear, guilt, violence and the suppression of alternative thought. Unfortunately, allowing people the right to believe something you don’t, has become a criminal offence and so the Paulines and the Arians insisted on crushing each other. At this point, enter Constantine the Great, who, together with the Pisos and Pliny, was the creator of what became known as Christianity. Constantine was made Emperor of the Roman Empire in 312 AD. He won a reputation as a brave and ruthless soldier and served in Britain for a time before being elected as Caesar of the West. He then began to kill his rivals, including many of their children, as he sought to be emperor of all. In one of his battles for the Roman leadership, at Milvian Bridge near Rome, the Christian legend claims that he saw a vision of a cross in the sky with the words: “By this Conquer”.
The next night, so it is said, he had a vision of Jesus who told him to put the cross on his flag to guarantee victory over his enemies. Good story, but the word bollocks* is drifting across my mind. * American readers, I understand, do not know the meaning of the British term, ‘bollocks’. How can I explain it? I guess ‘you must be joking’ is the cleanest translation I can think of. Constantine was said to have been converted to Christianity by his visions, but there’s one tiny problem with that. He never did become a Christian, except perhaps on his deathbed as a bit of insurance. He worshipped the Greek god Apollo (the Sun), and the Sol Invictus (Unconquered Sun), and he remained to his death the Pontifex Maximus of the Pagan Church! As a result, Jesus was given the Sun’s birthday of December 25th which has remained ever since. Constantine is also responsible for the great Christian shrine in Jerusalem. His mother, Helena, was dispatched to the city to track down the places and relics of the Christian story. It was she who claimed to have found the exact locations of the birth of Jesus, the crucifixion, his tomb and where he ascended into the sky. You can still find them all on the guided tour of Jerusalem! Constantine built a basilica in 326 AD on the site his mother said the crucifixion took place and on the same spot today stands the Church of the Holy Sepulchre which attracts millions of Christians to see where ‘Jesus died on the cross’. Helena also claimed to have found the three wooden crosses around 300 years after the event. What a clever lady she must have been. ------------------ The only other sound's the sweep Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~ IP: Logged |
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posted September 28, 2006 12:21 AM
Everything Christians believe about Jesus, the Romans and Persians believed about Mithra. Sunday was the sacred day for Mithraists because he was a Sun God and they called this The Lord’s Day. Dionysus was born to a virgin mother, and he was known as: the Vine, Our Lord, the Saviour, the Judge of the Dead, the Deliverer, the Born Again and the only begotten Son of God. Above the head of Dionysus were the words: “I am Life, Death, and Resurrection, I hold the winged crown (the Sun).”18 The writer, H. G. Wells, pointed out that many of the phrases used by Paul for Jesus were the same as those used by the followers of Mithra. The Liturgy of Mithra is the Liturgy of Jesus. When Paul says: “They drank from the spiritual rock and that rock was Christ” (I Corinthians 10:4), he was using exactly the same words found in the scriptures of Mithra. Only the names were changed. In the Gospels, Peter became the Christian ‘rock’ on whom the new church would be built. The Vatican Hill in Rome was said to be sacred to Peter, but this place was also claimed, much earlier, to be sacred to Mithra and many Mithric remains have been found there! The Piso clan turned Mithra into Myth-ra - Christianity. All the Popes have claimed to rule as the heirs to Peter, the first Pope. This claim derives from a sentence in the Bible which has Jesus saying: “Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church.”19 Only four verses after supposedly making Peter the ‘rock’ on which he would build his church, comes this demolition of him:
“But he (Jesus) turned, and said unto Peter, ‘Get thee behind me Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men’.”20 The ‘rock’ is classic mystery school symbolism, as is the ‘corner stone’ associated with Jesus and still used in Freemasonic symbolism today. Peter is supposed to be the custodian of the keys to Heaven, but this is just a rerun of the mystery school symbol of the two-faced Janus, custodian of the key to the Temple of Wisdom and the keys to heaven held by Mithra. And Janus was Eannus, a title for Nimrod in Babylon. The gold and silver keys of St Peter’s alleged successor, the Pope, are more symbols of the secret doctrine. The Popes and those who control them know what all this stuff really means. Gold and silver are the precious metals used to symbolise the Sun and the Moon. Peter and Paul are both said to have been killed in Rome during the purge of Christians by the Emperor Nero, but there is no evidence to confirm this because it didn’t happen.
Two other people who were said to have been killed by Nero, however, were Lucius Calpurnius Piso, the head of the family, and his friend Annaeus Seneca! As the years passed, the Sun religion and the esoteric symbolism of the mystery schools, were transformed into a religion based on the literal translation of symbolic texts. On this misunderstanding and deceit Christianity was built. We are led to believe that the Christian Church emerged as one unit, but this is simply not true. There were many factions across a wide spectrum of views arguing and battling for supremacy as the holders of ‘the truth’. The fiercest conflict ensued between the followers of the St Paul version of Jesus as the supernatural Son of God, and the Arians, who believed he was a man, not God.
The Arians were named after Anus, a churchman in Alexandria, Egypt, who questioned that Jesus could be the same as God. Had not Jehovah said that he was the only God? How then could God be in three parts as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? The ‘trinity’ is a Pagan concept and part of Babylonian and Egyptian belief. Now if we lived in a world full of mature adults, we would allow people the respect and freedom to believe anything they like so long as they don’t impose it on others. Just because we may think it is wrong or a nonsense should not matter. My problem with Christianity and religion in general is not that anyone believes it, that is their right, what I challenge is the way it has been imposed upon people through the use of fear, guilt, violence and the suppression of alternative thought. Unfortunately, allowing people the right to believe something you don’t, has become a criminal offence and so the Paulines and the Arians insisted on crushing each other. At this point, enter Constantine the Great, who, together with the Pisos and Pliny, was the creator of what became known as Christianity. Constantine was made Emperor of the Roman Empire in 312 AD. He won a reputation as a brave and ruthless soldier and served in Britain for a time before being elected as Caesar of the West. He then began to kill his rivals, including many of their children, as he sought to be emperor of all. In one of his battles for the Roman leadership, at Milvian Bridge near Rome, the Christian legend claims that he saw a vision of a cross in the sky with the words: “By this Conquer”.
The next night, so it is said, he had a vision of Jesus who told him to put the cross on his flag to guarantee victory over his enemies. Good story, but the word bollocks* is drifting across my mind. * American readers, I understand, do not know the meaning of the British term, ‘bollocks’. How can I explain it? I guess ‘you must be joking’ is the cleanest translation I can think of. Constantine was said to have been converted to Christianity by his visions, but there’s one tiny problem with that. He never did become a Christian, except perhaps on his deathbed as a bit of insurance. He worshipped the Greek god Apollo (the Sun), and the Sol Invictus (Unconquered Sun), and he remained to his death the Pontifex Maximus of the Pagan Church! As a result, Jesus was given the Sun’s birthday of December 25th which has remained ever since. Constantine is also responsible for the great Christian shrine in Jerusalem. His mother, Helena, was dispatched to the city to track down the places and relics of the Christian story. It was she who claimed to have found the exact locations of the birth of Jesus, the crucifixion, his tomb and where he ascended into the sky. You can still find them all on the guided tour of Jerusalem! Constantine built a basilica in 326 AD on the site his mother said the crucifixion took place and on the same spot today stands the Church of the Holy Sepulchre which attracts millions of Christians to see where ‘Jesus died on the cross’. Helena also claimed to have found the three wooden crosses around 300 years after the event. What a clever lady she must have been. ------------------ The only other sound's the sweep Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~ IP: Logged | |