posted October 28, 2007 04:21 AM            

We are all subject to modifying any real Truths we may find as they come to us through our very own minds and hearts ... which often alter the original meaning for our understanding. It doesn't matter if it's just you and me or a multi-titled expert of something or other, we're all fallible in our understanding and even more fallible in our ability to convey what we think we know. This is further confounded when regarding matters of Faith as there is no way to "prove" to someone that what you believe is true ... whether it is or isn't true, in the end, is not the point for many people. It's that they were convinced by what they have accepted as true. And the cycle continues.

In the end, it's ALL a matter of Faith, isn't it? Not just Jesus and the Bible, but anything you believe. Every "expert" has their critics, all facts have their detractors. And, after we've taken something apart to the very core, pulvarized it and analyzed it under a microscope (which all serve purposes of varying interest) have we arrived any closer at understanding? Or at least, understanding the intended meaning?

If there are any books that I personally find to be accurate in regards to Christianity and Jesus, they would be The Christian Mystery and The Festivals and Their Meanings, both by Rudolf Steiner. He is someone I personally trust ... after having read much of his work, striven to understand it, and compared and contrasted it to countless other works by other authors over the years. I think most would find their opinions on Jesus, the Bible and Christianity itself challenged by those two works. They don't set out to literally debunk anything but rather look deeper into the spiritual mysteries that most miss in their superificial studies. But we each choose what to believe and what to discard ... and perhaps what to come back to later. And so, even if the Word of God really did descend from Above for our understanding and our spiritual evolution, how many would believe it? I think there are those who could argue that not many would believe it at all.

I love to question everything I come across and leave myself open to new insights. But something that leaves a sour taste in my mouth is setting out to replace one thing and leaving a vacuum in its place when no personal understanding could be found. Perhaps it isn't that the answers aren't there or that they aren't worthy but that we're merely asking the wrong questions.

posted October 28, 2007 07:20 AM              

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I agree but feel even those stories circulating have it wrong. The wrong groups being touted as good and the benevolent ones called evil. And some not known of but to a few.

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I'd like to learn more about this view of things- it's not one I've looked into yet. Please point me in the right direction to find out more.

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If only we could feel and understand all each others feelings....then EMPATHY and LOVE would be law in itself.

Perhaps......we (all souls)........who come, to incarnate upon this Earth.......
are all sacrificial lambs, in a sense

Choosing to suffer, not because of karma, but for some higher purpose of learning, evolving, and becoming true Gods with true wisdom.........

posted October 28, 2007 09:18 AM            

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If we are rethinking the bible it must also be about what is coming to mankind hence please read what I say in an open spirit.

The house is on fire and people are still living in a fancy world of aliens. I am not saying aliens don't exists. They are far far better off than we are. It is earth who must be envious of their race.

Right now this planet belongs to earth, period. It is up to us what to make of it. Even the NT says to use the bible for reference only. Paul said it. Its people who got distorted the truths and passed it down generation to generation. Just as many cooks spoils the broth, it happens to divinely inspired Gods words too.

That water below the feet of Jesus in that painting represents the coming of the aqua age. Aqua is a water sign remember. That man lying on that cross is your ego. Or the mind. I am not saying destroy your ego. But to do what God asks you to do, you have to lessen it. God will take care of the rest.

There are enough threads on free will here. Free will exists. We are all aspects of God/Goddess. If God is all powerful and mighty, you too are that powerful being. Trust me on that. You might chose not to follow God. But go on your way. Its absolutely ok. But don't loose the goodies that God wished you to have. God is like the Genie in Alladins lamp. "Your wish is my command".
It is indeed up to us if we follow God or do not. When Gods kingdom comes that Jesus spoke about. And I alluded to in that Quran verse earlier, people whose hearts are little bit opened will manifest Gods will in their lives. Their wills will be aligned with that of Gods. Peace and Joy abound when that happens.

Juni , Its good to say balance your mind and heart. But the more I think about it, I think it takes a lot to live only by your heart. But those people won't be dissapointed.Blessed are those people who live by their heart alone.

The truth is within you. Many of Jesus's truth was not understood for thousands of years. "I will send you an advocate. She(controversy here too in the bible on the sex) is one with the God as well.........." Is she here? Sure, she is in your heart waiting to be discovered. Will attempt to share my thoughts on how to rewrite bible on those words. But for now have to go brush my teeth and have breakfast.

Love and blessings to all

posted October 28, 2007 02:32 PM              

LTT...I think that may require an entirely different thread.
Later folks!
Going to go enjoy Autumn awhile!

posted October 28, 2007 10:40 PM              

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Jerusalem is worth visiting ..
there is a unique spiritual feeling about that place that is undeniable ..
the whole area could be a paradise on earth ..

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posted November 08, 2007 08:58 PM              

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posted May 02, 2008 12:23 AM              

Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

posted May 03, 2008 09:41 PM            

The second is Jesus was not his name.

Nor is Christ.

To continue:
[Middle English Crist, from Old English Crst, from Latin Chrstus, from Greek Khrstos, from khrstos, anointed, verbal adj. of khrein, to anoint; see ghri- in Indo-European roots.]

Christ is the English translation of the Greek word (Christós), which literally means The Anointed One. It translates the Hebrew word (Mašía), usually transliterated Messiah.

The word is often misunderstood to be the surname of Jesus due to the numerous mentions of Jesus Christ in the Christian Bible. The word is in fact a title, hence its common reciprocal use Christ Jesus, meaning The Anointed One, Jesus. To clarify this, Jesus is sometimes referred to as "the Man". Followers of Jesus became known as Christians because they believed that Jesus was the Christ, or Messiah, prophesied in the Tanakh (which Christians term the Old Testament). The majority of Jews reject this claim and are still waiting for the Christ to come (see Jewish Messiah). Most Christians now wait for the Second Coming of Christ when it is thought he will fulfill the rest of the Messianic prophecy.

Full etymology

The spelling Christ in English dates from the 17th century, when, in the spirit of the enlightenment, spellings of certain words were changed to fit their Greek or Latin origins. Prior to this, in Old and Middle English, the word was spelled Crist, the i being pronounced either as "i" (see IPA pronunciation), preserved in the names of churches such as St Katherine Cree, or as a short i, preserved in the modern pronunciation of Christmas.

The term appears in English and most European languages owing to the Greek usage of Christos in the New Testament as a description for Jesus. In the Septuagint version of the Old Testament, it was used to translate into Greek the Hebrew Mashiach (Messiah), meaning "one who is anointed". While many Christian writers claim that this term implied a match to the criteria of being anointed that Jewish tradition had given to their predicted future saviour, some argue that there is no "saviour" concept, as suggested in Christianity, in the Jewish tradition. The "anointed" one more closely means 'high priest', 'leader', or even 'ruler'.

The Greek term is cognate with Chrism, meaning perfumed oil; in fact Christos in classical Greek usage could mean covered in oil, and is thus a literal and accurate translation of Messiah (just as Saul the King was oiled up when he was proclaimed king). The Greek term is thought to derive from the Proto-Indo-European root of ghey-, which in Germanic languages, such as English, mutated into gris- and grim-. Hence the English words grisly, grim, grime, gizm and grease, are thought to be cognate with Christ, though these terms came to have a negative connotation, where the Greek word had a positive connotation. In French, the Greek term, in ordinary usage, mutated first to cresme and then to creme, due to the loss of certain 's' usages in French, which was loaned into English as cream. The word was used by extension in Hellenic and Jewish contexts to refer to the office, role or status of the person, not to their actually being an oily person, as a strict reading of the etymology might imply.

According to Tom Harpur, a former professor of Theology at the University of Toronto who denies the historicity of Jesus, the Christian usage of the term Christ derives from Egypt. Harpur has argued that the application of the term Christ to Jesus derives from the Egyptian use of the term Karast (covered in cooking oil) to describe Horus, who Harpur also alleges that much of the descriptions of Jesus are copied from. Karast is a false cognate to Christ, and Harpur has alleged that this co-incidence was the reason that Christians chose this appellation of Horus rather than any other, since in Jewish circles, Christ readily brings to mind the Jewish belief in a Messiah.

Another theory states that name Christ and his story could have been adapted from the Hindu god rama rama Krishna because of similarities in their names and life. Both Krishna and Christ are said to have lived a life of a shepherd. In both stories a king seeks and kills children, hoping to kill Krishna / Christ. There are similarities in their deaths too - Krishna is killed by an iron-nailed arrow piercing his feet and Christ crucified by iron nails. Long before any references to Krishna appear, the Elamites in the 3rd millennium BC also had a deity named Kiririsha.

'Chrestus' is a similar Greek name, which Suetonius confused for 'Christos'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ

The Messiah

The promised Deliverer is twice called the "Anointed" or Moshiach (Psalms 2:2; Daniel 9:25, 26), because he was anointed with the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 61:1) which, in the text, is an expression of nobility and greatness. According to the New Testament, Jesus of Nazareth is this anointed One, the Moshiach of the Tanakh (John 1:41; Acts 9:22; 17:2, 3; 18:5, 28), and the Gospels state that he was physically anointed by an anonymous figure who traditionally is interpreted as Mary Magdalene. The word Christ which now looks like a surname is actually a title derived from the Greek Christos roughly meaning 'anointed' (creamy or greased would be more cognate as translations).

According to the Jewish Bible, whenever someone received the anointing, the Spirit of God came upon this person, to qualify him or her for a God-given task. However, it was not always required to be physically anointed in order to receive the Spirit of God.

Priests and kings
In the Hebrew Bible, the High Priest and the king are each sometimes called "the anointed" (Leviticus 4:3, 5, 16; 6:20; Psalms 132:10). Prophets were also anointed (1 Kings 19:16; 1 Chronicles 16:22; Psalms 105:15).

Anointing a king was equivalent to crowning him; in fact, in Israel a crown was not required (1 Samuel 16:13; 2 Samuel 2:4, etc.). Thus David was anointed as king by the prophet Samuel:

Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.—1 Samuel 16:13.
The French Kings adopted the fleur-de-lis as a baptismal symbol of purity on the conversion of the Frankish King Clovis I to the Christian religion in 493. To further enhance its mystique, a legend eventually sprang up that a vial of oil (cfr. infra the crowning ampulla) descended from Heaven to anoint and sanctify Clovis as King. The thus "anointed" Kings of France later maintained that their authority was directly from God, without the mediation of either the Emperor or the Pope.

Legends claim that even the lily itself appeared at the baptismal ceremony as a gift of blessing in an apparition of the blessed Virgin Mary.

Christian monarchy

In Christian Europe, the Merovingian monarchy was the first to anoint the king in a coronation ceremony that was designed to epitomize the Catholic Church's conferring a religious sanction of the monarch's divine right to rule. A number of Merovingian, Carolingian and Ottonian kings and emperors have avoided coronation and anointing.

English monarchs in common with the French included anointing in the coronation rituals (sacre in French). The Sovereign of the United Kingdom is the last anointed monarch. For the coronation of King Charles I in 1626 the holy oil was made of a concoction of orange, jasmine, distilled roses, distilled cinnamon, oil of ben, extract of bensoint, ambergris, musk and civet.

However this does not symbolize any subordination to the religious authority, hence it is not usually performed in Catholic monarchies by the pope but usually reserved for the (arch)bishop of a major see (sometimes the site of the whole coronation) in the nation, as is sometime the very act of crowning. Hence its utensils can be part of the regalia, such as in the French kingdom an ampulla for the oil and a spoon to apply it with; in the Norwegian kingdom, an anointing horn (a form fitting the Biblical as well as the Viking tradition) is the traditional vessel.

Christian sacramental usage

Early Christian usage
In early Christian times, sick people were anointed for healing to take place:

James 5:
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox usage
In Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox usage, anointing is part of the sacrament of Anointing of the Sick. Consecrated oil is also used in confirmation, or, as it is sometimes called (especially in Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Rite Catholic churches), chrismation, from the Greek word chrisma , meaning the medium and act of anointing. Eastern Churches perform the sacrament of chrismation immediately after the sacrament of baptism during the same ceremony. Orthodox Christians may re-request chrismation at will, but usually this is done during Holy Week.

Consecration of the Oil in the Orthodox Churches
Among Eastern Orthodox Churches, the Myron ( Holy Oil) for anointment is prepared periodically by the Orthodox Patriarchates (such as the Church of Constantinople -- see an announcement and process for preparation, with some sample dates of preparation) and by the various heads of autocephalous administrations (such as the Orthodox Church in America -- see photos of the process). The consecration of the Oil, when performed, occurs during Holy Week, and thereafter the Oil is distributed to the Orthodox Churches within the authority of the administration. The Myron is made of olive oil and a guarded recipe of aromatics (myra) that are infused therein.

At the Patriarchate of Constantinople, the process is under the care of the Archontes Myrepsoi, lay officials of the Patriarchate. Various members of the clergy may also participate in the preparation.

Pentecostal churches
As in the early Christian church, anointing with oil is used in Pentecostal churches for healing the sick and also for consecration or ordination of pastors and elders.

The word "anointing" is also frequently used by Pentecostal Christians to refer to the power of God or the Spirit of God residing in a Christian: a usage that occurs from time to time in the Bible (e.g. in 1 John 2:20). A particularly popular expression is "the anointing that breaks the yoke", which is derived from Isaiah 10:27:

And it shall come to pass on that day, that his burden shall be removed from upon your shoulder, and his yoke from upon your neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of oil.
The NIV translates this passage as, "the yoke will be broken because you have grown so fat." The context of this passage refers to the yoke of Sennacherib, and how his oppressive nature is overturned by that of Hezekiah who was said to be as mild as oil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anointing

Additionally, around the mythos sprang a diversity of nomers for the man Yeshua; with different connotations, and implications, depending on one's beliefs.
It is no wonder that the message has veen virtually ignored.
Too many folks dwelling on their desire to deify and want saved, rather than taking responsiblity for themselves and their actions.

Moby Thesaurus words for "Christ":
Christ Jesus, Emmanuel, God the Son, God-man, Immanuel, Jesu,
Jesus, Jesus Christ, Jesus of Nazareth, King of Glory,
King of Heaven, King of Kings, Lamb of God, Lord Jesus,
Lord of Lords, Lord our Righteousness, Messiah, Our Lord,
Prince of Peace, Redeemer, Savior, Son of God, Son of Man,
atonement, intercession, judgment, mediation, propitiation,
redemption, salvation, the Advocate, the Anointed, the Christ,
the Christ Child, the Door, the Galilean, the Good Shepherd,
the Infant Jesus, the Intercessor, the Judge, the Lamb, the Life,
the Master, the Mediator, the Nazarene, the Only-Begotten,
the Risen, the True Vine, the Truth, the Vine, the Way

I would add here to Moby's list:
The Morning Star...from NT/Revelation
The Alpha and Omega...from NT/Revelation
Sun of righteousness ...from OT...Malachi
Son of the Father.....

posted November 03, 2008 10:46 PM            

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The lexigram of the word BIBLE tells us clearly:

BIBLE:

LIE

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HOLY BIBLE

BIBLE
Lexigrams to:
I BE LIE
I LIE
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HOLY BIBLE
Anagrams to:
HI BELLBOY!
YELL HI BOB!
OH BE BILLY
BY LIBEL OH!
OH BYE BILL!
BI BOY HELL

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HOLY BIBLE
Lexigrams to:
HEY!
HOLY HELL I YELL!
OH ILL HELL BILE,
I'LL YELL!
LO I'LL LIE!
OH I LIE!
I'LL BOIL HOLY OIL.
HELL BELL!
LO!
HELL HOLE I'LL BE!
OH YE BOY!
LO!
I'LL HOBBLE YE!
I'LL LIBEL YE BOY!
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OK...
It also Lexigrams to nicer things too.
HOLY BIBLE
OH HOLY! HOLY! HOLY!
OH YE HOLY OIL
OH YE BE HOLY!
OILY OIL BE HOLY!
OH BOY!
I BE HOLY!
LO!
I YELL!
HOLY! HOLY! HOLY!
BE I!