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fayte.m
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posted October 07, 2007 09:01 PM
 
The title of this thread should be perhaps:
RETHINKING THE BIBLE & THE HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY & ALTERNATIVE THEORIES ETCETERAOK...here we go!
Please see these pages for what led up to the starting of this thread.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002815-2.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002815-3.html Now for a disclaimer which I hope will prevent any potential problems.
From: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002815-3.html Maybe I should start a thread about alternate theories/writings concerning Yeshua/Issa
and about anything Biblical. I could perhaps put a warning at the beginning:
WARNING!
IF YOU ARE A FIRM BELIEVER ABOUT THE STORY THAT JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS FOR YOUR SINS...
PLEASE DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER. 
(the content may be offensive to some and it is not my intent to offend here but discuss and look at the what ifs...like what if no one has it right? )
THIS THREAD IS MEANT FOR THOSE OF US WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE COMMON MYTHOS.(It IS for those who are willing to put aside for a bit what they've been told, taught, or think they know)
IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE A PLATFORM FOR ANYONE LOOKING TO START A RELIGIOUS WAR.  WE WILL RESPECT YOUR RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT YOU BELIEVE AND EXPECT YOU TO DO THE SAME FOR US. ADDITIONALLY...THIS THREAD IS INTENDED FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD.
Consider please the above as the warning and disclaimer.
Thank you.
PS. Thank you silverstone for seconding the title of this thread.
And naiad and venusdeindia for supporting the idea! There may be folks offended that I have begun this thread. Hopefully they will not cause trouble. I have done my best to give a clear picture of what will be discussed here.
So no one should try to feign shock or surprise.
Note: Warning was edited/added to.
For original see above link.
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posted October 08, 2007 12:33 AM
i, for one, a SpongeBrain newbie, am terribly excited. i like the way you type ;*) i grew up in the bible belt surrounded by southern baptists (including my parents of course) and i always questioned what i was told, even as a very young child. i still have so many questions, but now they go much deeper and further and i love to hear/see new ideas, information, etc. as everyone is posting i would love it if they could suggest maybe a good book/movie/website that also discusses the topic. again, thanks to all knowflakes for being knowflakes.IP: Logged |
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posted October 08, 2007 03:39 AM
BUMPThanks for starting this thread, Fayte. I'll be back! IP: Logged |
silverstone
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posted October 08, 2007 03:40 AM
quote:
Maybe I should start a thread about alternate theories/writings concerning Yeshua/Issa
and about anything Biblical
I like that too! and his twin brother to whom most confuse as Yeshua ------------------
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.
The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost IP: Logged |
sesame
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posted October 08, 2007 03:57 AM
Well, I for one love threads like this, but I don't agree with the disclaimer, but do agree with the statement you are trying to make - namely that people should not use the bible to refute your statements, but you don't mind debate, which yields the question, what sources other than the bible may be called upon to be debated for or against? Ultimately, it all comes down to faith and belief. LL has the "disclaimer" quote:
There will be no censorship here, and freedom of expression and speech rules supreme, but please be courteous and respectful of others while doing so. Linda had a talent for speaking her Mind without offending others. Let's try to do likewise.
Your statement: quote:
IF YOU ARE A FIRM BELIEVER ABOUT THE STORY THAT JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS FOR YOUR SINS...
PLEASE DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER.
Could be said to discriminate against Christians. I think you should allow people to read whatever they want at their own discretion - if they become offended or wish to retaliate, then so be it, but I understand that to quote the bible or persist with a close-minded point of view is against the desire of this thread, so best of luck with that. I don't wish to argue semantics etc. I'm just saying when I person reads something, that it is up to them how they interpret or respond. It's like the statement "Don't get angry when I say this, but..." Statements like this always prick people's neck hairs  Anyhow, I love debates like this, but I always wonder where the information comes from - in terms of the Bible, I have had arguments that basically go like this: "I don't believe whole-heartedly with the bible, so how else can you prove anything?"
"Well, I can't, it all comes down to faith"
Hmm, I have faith, just not the same as yours, what makes your faith more important?"
"Its not, but it is based on the Bible" My point is that we do need to be open minded and circles like the above can be exasperating. So, bring it on, but always respect the other viewpoints (as you seem to anyway). Heaps of Love,
Dean. ------------------
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there is nothing but mystery in the world,
how it hides behind the fabric of our poor,
browbeat days, shining brightly, and we don't even know it. Sue Monk Kidd, "The Secret Life of Bees", p79 Logically Magical Logic is Magically Logical Magic! (and vice versa!)
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posted October 08, 2007 07:07 AM
Dean  Its so true , you can't use the bible to refute your truths. But what other sources of books does one have? Some crazy people decides to burn the big library at Alexandria. Most of the world's knowledge is lost at the time. Its a huge loss for mankind. I for one wish that I could turn back time and change that event in history. Unless that happens, humans have to have faith in whatever they believe in. And each others faith can only be tested not debated against.
I have recently met a preacher 60 year old who still reads paragraphs from the bible and tries to make his point. For example: And Jesus said to Peter "Step away Satan....." Therefore Peter is a devil and catholic church is a satan organization.
I told him no - you can't. You have to interpret the bible after reading from start to end. And there are things which have not been written down in the new testament or has been edited or added, so those truths are corrupted. Not sure how he will take that. I believe :
Jesus did die.
He can take away your sins if he desires. This is not a new teaching - its an esoteric teaching from the east. And it does require faith. Do we need a single messaih rule the world? Such a kingdom does not exist. May be Camelot does. Did he die in a way described in the bible? Perhaps not entirely true. Lets see what you guys come up with.
Ok in a rush ...need to drive 3 hours to work. Lets see how this thread pans out.
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posted October 08, 2007 07:36 AM
Wishing you a good day at work, Mannu.IP: Logged |
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posted October 08, 2007 08:07 AM
quote:
Could be said to discriminate against Christians. I think you should allow people to read whatever they want at their own discretion - if they become offended or wish to retaliate, then so be it, but I understand that to quote the bible or persist with a close-minded point of view is against the desire of this thread, so best of luck with that.
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posted October 08, 2007 01:34 PM
I don't know if this counts, but to me, the bible is weird. Some parts of it ring true and some are just utter nonsense.As far as the big JC dying for our sins, well, I think it's all perspective related because what does that mean, "dying for another's sin'? Yes, his death might have awakened a lot of people to some things, woke people up, as far as his message was concerned, but personally this is what I think of Jesus. I love JC, by the way. 1) Jesus Christ was human, and if he was a God then so are we. Basically, he was as you and I are, just very into the Kundalini experience, like David Blaine but much, much better. 2) He was initiated into the arts by his predecessors , John, the Baptist, and the gang. I am still unsure of which particular order he belonged to. 3) There were many like him during his time who did not get the same type of fame, who levitated, healed people, and did "miracles" through mind-power, probably from the same school as his. 4) Was he crucified? Most probably. He gained too much power and fame and rubbed the wrong people around. His death was political. JC was notorious. he was probably in his time's "Most Wanted" list. 5) If JC is human, then his conception was just like any other, it is just that maybe, that entire thing about its miracle nature was just a metaphor for his rebirth as a Guru, which is common amongst such people, when the training is done, one usually changes their name, leaving their former identity behind, "dies' and gets born again. Or... his entire life was his training and when he supposedly died, this was when he left his life behind. 6) The bit about dying and returning in three days and then going to heaven, well... that could be part of the propaganda that insists that Jesus was deity and not human. He could have just disappeared for a while to meditate, get his strength back after the lashing he got on the cross. Also, there is a lot of symbology there, 3 days, three phases, body mind soul... so it is highly unlikely that he really died. 7) The Mary's are also metaphores for me, symbolising the Goddess, and I believe JC was married, not based on the Da Vinci code hype, but due to other things I have come across, and most likely had kids, but because we are supposed to think of him as other-worldly, that bit was scrapped from our knowledge. 8) JC belonged to a "cult" so to speak of very wise men, whose mission was to teach people of their inner power and godliness, and to lighten the load of humanity. A brotherhood/sisterhood (because I believe there were women too who were part of this order) who made it their mission to free people's minds. 9) This brotherhood had to use smokes and mirrors to achieve their goals because humans are so against believing that life as we know it is magical, and it is just easier for people to believe when you add theatrics into the mix. So, this order which JC belonged to just preached and they added a bit of entertainment into it to increase the curiosity about their message. 10) So, JC is like you and I, but unlike most of us, he was really learned in Hermetic lore and other such mysteries. He was able to unleash the potential that all of us possess, and due to this, I like the guy a lot because he is an inspiration of how far the human spirit can go, and that NOTHING is impossible. If we were talking about aliens, I'd say that the scene depicted in Matthew/Luke about the conception of JC sounds like the accounts of many abductees, of artifiical insemination, but I won't go there. LOL. That's me on JC. And the bible is a historical text gone very wrong with parts being edited, taken out and added, making it a tad less powerful than it was meant to be. it's like reading a novel with a chunk missing. To me, the last book of the bible was written as a code for those in the know about what was being said, and it refers to that time, of Roman and Christian upheaval, and has nothing to do with "raptures" and such. It speaks of "end of days' but not of our days, but of that era back then. I might change my mind about this view as time goes on. So, the bible is a mix of codes and letters to people, diaries and journals, advice on living, parables, actual events, and that's why I think it is so confusing. It has many genres mixed in one, fantasy, fiction, non-fiction, self-help, esoteric arts, romance, adventure, epics, mythology. IP: Logged |
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posted October 08, 2007 02:51 PM
Greetings Unmoved, I quickly wanted to reply to this: quote:
and has nothing to do with "raptures" and such. It speaks of "end of days' but not of our days, but of that era back then. I might change my mind about this view as time goes on.
Yes, the rapture is not in Bibical word usage. It is derived from some religions belief in HOW they interpret the Holy Word. Etymology
"Rapture" is a word of Latin origin ("raptus" = "having been seized"), not Hebrew or Greek, the languages of the Bible. In Greek harpazo, which is found in the Greek text of 1 Thes. 4:17. means, "to raise from the ground", "take for oneself" or, simply, "to choose" (haireomai), all of which are akin to airo, "to raise up." Many times Bibical content is thrown out because of some religions dogma/beliefs/interpretation and the gold is missed. ------------------
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posted October 08, 2007 03:31 PM
juniperb absolutely. I was aware of that, and hence I am one of those obnoxious people who always ask, "where does it say that in the bible"? The word is not in the bible and the concept is taken from many places in the bible from New and old Testiment. Little snippets to make a concept.
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posted October 08, 2007 05:16 PM
Here's some food for thought:
“And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to earth and his angels were cast down with him.” 56 “...And he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more.” 57
Revelation 21:16 "I Jesus have sent my angel to you with this testimony for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star."
Exodus Chapter 20
: (5) You shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them. For I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation of those that hate me, (6) and showing mercy to thousands of those that love Me and keep My commandments.
: Numbers 14
: (18) The LORD is long-suffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation. : Deuteronomy Chapter 5
: (9) You shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them. For I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Me, (10) and doing mercy to thousands of those who love Me and keep My commandments. : Jeremiah Chapter 32
: (17) Ah, Lord Jehovah! You have made the heavens and the earth by Your great power and stretched out arm. Nothing is too great for You. (18) You show loving-kindness to thousands, and repay the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their sons after them.
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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.
The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost
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posted October 08, 2007 05:21 PM
I agree with a lot of what you've said Unmoved, but I'm not sure about the brotherhood - but I this could be the Essenes? As Linda once said that he left for 18 (spiritual / material conflict) years to learn with the Essenes about all things esoteric, then came back at 30 (loner / meditator) years young to start teaching. The 3 is harmony, and 0 power, so it wa a good age to start. By the way, the 12 was also a three and symbolized his sacrifice / victimization to get his message out (when he talked to the rabbis, etc). So he died at 33 - Love / Money / Creativity, but added to 6. anyhow, some numerological interpretation there. I find it difficult to believe any of the miracles as such, but feel they're unnecessary in a lot of cases. I find it very difficult to read the bible because of its disjointedness, but I guess other religious texts could also be like this. I also believe he had brothers and sisters and a life with wife and son, which to me, makes his death even more powerful - not for our sins, but to sacrifice his life for the betterment of the World (which contains Lord and Word). So he did sacrifice but sins is not a word I understand as such. I think it's tied to Karma and is basically the opposite of happiness - in the meaning that what leads me to happiness is good for me, what doesn't could probably be termed a sin, but I don;t like this word as happiness may not be "just around the corner" but take time, and hence, all actions may lead to happiness if one understands where to get it. By the way, this loose analogy came from the Dalai Lama pursuit of Happiness and not the movie Happyness.Anyhow, some more thoughts,
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posted October 08, 2007 05:23 PM
"And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword." (Joshua 10:11)God 'The Jealous'
"For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters so a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods." (Exodus 34:14-16) War in Heaven (12:7)
12:7
"And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him." 12:10 "Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. 11 They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. 12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."
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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.
The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost
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posted October 08, 2007 05:31 PM
The Bible calls Satan "the prince of the power of the AIR." Here is the verse that specifically tells us this: "And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience." (Ephesians 2:1-2) ------------------
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.
The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost IP: Logged |
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posted October 08, 2007 05:57 PM
sesameOh... the brotherhood thing... I am just lead to believe that, not that it is true, but just like most of what I "know" it is just a number of "coincidences" from things I come across that just point to a certain direction. Yes, this brotherhood has very similar, if not the same qualities as the Essene. But, I feel it's older. Well, this is pure speculation on my side. Hemertics only cropped up to public knowledge after JC died, but I am sure it existed before that, in a purer form. As I said, it's just a feeling I have. I am sure one day I will run into something that might prove it to me. Added: Silvestone. Anything that mentions the Serpent to me is referring to the Kundalini. That's my current opinion. Anything that refers to the Beast is referring to man, the human race. The Devil, to me was created by man for political reasons (patriarchal/matriarchal power struggles) and this goes back to the time of the Goddess, way before JC was born.
Just some anthropological weapon to dethrone the feminine rule to the masculine rule. See CWG Book 2 (I think). That's one theory about the devil. The other is that he is a representation of the yang in the yin-yang. Frankly, the Devil/Satan bores me. The third theory is that he is real. He is one of those things in the Bible that do not ring true to me. Because... If it is inevitable that the "battle" will be won by God (let's just make believe that there is a battle), would the Devil/Satan being fully aware of this bother to fight, being so smart and all? And... if the battle will be won by God (say I believe in the orthodox idea of God, which I do not), then what's with the wars, the trying to convert people to the good side, basically, why would God be angry when one goes to the other side, if he knows that it is inevitable to end this way with some frying in hell and other's "special" ones in paradise? Aren't their names already written in the 'mysterious' book? That is if you believe in that bit, which I consider to be nonsense. What amazes me is that the very people who claim to love God seem to make him seem so stupid. I believe in God, but not in an orthodox way. The ten "commandments" are the cherry on top for me. Can you say "bamboozled"? I am sure this has been discussed, and I once wrote an article about it on this website that I used to write for; that if you think that God gave you free-will, and then turned around to give you commandments and threats of hell, then your God is an idiot, to put it harshly. To put it mildly, then your God is confused. Why? Because this is a huge contradiction. I am sure you can see "why" without me getting into it. Can an Almighty God say, "Do this, and if you don't, I will send you to hell! but you can do whatever you like..." Why did he not just create you in a way that disables you from doing what he does not want you to do? My God did do that, he created Universal Laws which I can't break even if I tried. He didn't create these Laws and wait for me to break them, and then punish me senseless for "disobeying" him. He just made it impossible for me to break them. I can not disobey my God. But I have digressed. So... I will stop there. IP: Logged |
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posted October 08, 2007 06:12 PM
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absolutely. I was aware of that, and hence I am one of those obnoxious people who always ask, "where does it say that in the bible"?
A question too rarely asked, unmoved.  Obnoxious to some perhaps, but an excellent position to adopt nontheless, I think. In fact, I'm very glad you brought this up, unmoved. Because, while a study of evolving church doctrine might prove to be a fun ride, a good first step might be to acknowledge the occasional vast gap between scripture and its common interpretation.
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posted October 08, 2007 07:02 PM
TINK... you're right. The bible is a great book, personally. I read it always. it comforts me. it is when I happen on a religious channel on telly and hear about punishments, raptures, "REPENT SINNER" and that original sin thing that I start wondering if I am reading the same bible as the others are reading.
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posted October 08, 2007 07:25 PM
Greetings Silverstone, I would like to request you share with us which translation of the Bible you may be quoting from ie KJV, Lamsa,Youngs etc.
It helps with the etymology and uncovering the intent of the word/s in it`s purer form. Many do not know this makes a vast diference in correct interpretation. Personally, I use George M. Lamsa`s Translation From the Aramaic of the Peshitta but have most translations on hand. Thank you! ------------------
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posted October 08, 2007 08:50 PM
unmoved ~ I feel precisely the same.  Moving past common and orthodox interpretation, hunting down entymologies as Juniperb mentioned, comparing and contrasting with other religious scripture ... all of these things are a great help, I believe. In addition, and maybe even more importantly at times, is the inspirational angle. Spiritual insight is maybe a necessary component to understanding some of the more obscure and seemingly contradictory passages of the Bible. I sometimes wonder if some things are so deeply buried as to be uncovered no other way. IP: Logged |
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posted October 08, 2007 09:22 PM
Over 450 versions of the Bible have been created over time.
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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posted October 08, 2007 09:42 PM
Indeed Fayte And precisely why I requested which translation. Keeps the confusion to a minimum. ------------------
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posted October 08, 2007 09:46 PM
Timeline of Bible Translation History1,400 BC: The first written Word of God: The Ten Commandments delivered to Moses. 500 BC: Completion of All Original Hebrew Manuscripts which make up The 39 Books of the Old Testament. 200 BC: Completion of the Septuagint Greek Manuscripts which contain The 39 Old Testament Books AND 14 Apocrypha Books. 1st Century AD: Completion of All Original Greek Manuscripts which make up The 27 Books of the New Testament. 315 AD: Athenasius, the Bishop of Alexandria, identifies the 27 books of the New Testament which are today recognized as the canon of scripture. 382 AD: Jerome's Latin Vulgate Manuscripts Produced which contain All 80 Books (39 Old Test. + 14 Apocrypha + 27 New Test). 500 AD: Scriptures have been Translated into Over 500 Languages. 600 AD: LATIN was the Only Language Allowed for Scripture. 995 AD: Anglo-Saxon (Early Roots of English Language) Translations of The New Testament Produced. 1384 AD: Wycliffe is the First Person to Produce a (Hand-Written) manuscript Copy of the Complete Bible; All 80 Books. 1455 AD: Gutenberg Invents the Printing Press; Books May Now be mass-Produced Instead of Individually Hand-Written. The First Book Ever Printed is Gutenberg's Bible in Latin. 1516 AD: Erasmus Produces a Greek/Latin Parallel New Testament. 1522 AD: Martin Luther's German New Testament. 1526 AD: William Tyndale's New Testament; The First New Testament printed in the English Language. 1535 AD: Myles Coverdale's Bible; The First Complete Bible printed in the English Language (80 Books: O.T. & N.T. & Apocrypha). 1537 AD: Tyndale-Matthews Bible; The Second Complete Bible printed in English. Done by John "Thomas Matthew" Rogers (80 Books). 1539 AD: The "Great Bible" Printed; The First English Language Bible Authorized for Public Use (80 Books). 1560 AD: The Geneva Bible Printed; The First English Language Bible to add Numbered Verses to Each Chapter (80 Books). 1568 AD: The Bishops Bible Printed; The Bible of which the King James was a Revision (80 Books). 1609 AD: The Douay Old Testament is added to the Rheims New Testament (of 1582) Making the First Complete English Catholic Bible; Translated from the Latin Vulgate (80 Books). 1611 AD: The King James Bible Printed; Originally with All 80 Books. The Apocrypha was Officially Removed in 1885 Leaving Only 66 Books. 1782 AD: Robert Aitken's Bible; The First English Language Bible (KJV) Printed in America. 1791 AD: Isaac Collins and Isaiah Thomas Respectively Produce the First Family Bible and First Illustrated Bible Printed in America. Both were King James Versions, with All 80 Books. 1808 AD: Jane Aitken's Bible (Daughter of Robert Aitken); The First Bible to be Printed by a Woman. 1833 AD: Noah Webster's Bible; After Producing his Famous Dictionary, Webster Printed his Own Revision of the King James Bible. 1841 AD: English Hexapla New Testament; an Early Textual Comparison showing the Greek and 6 Famous English Translations in Parallel Columns. 1846 AD: The Illuminated Bible; The Most Lavishly Illustrated Bible printed in America. A King James Version, with All 80 Books. 1885 AD: The "English Revised Version" Bible; The First Major English Revision of the KJV. 1901 AD: The "American Standard Version"; The First Major American Revision of the KJV. 1971 AD: The "New American Standard Bible" (NASB) is Published as a "Modern and Accurate Word for Word English Translation" of the Bible. 1973 AD: The "New International Version" (NIV) is Published as a "Modern and Accurate Phrase for Phrase English Translation" of the Bible. 1982 AD: The "New King James Version" (NKJV) is Published as a "Modern English Version Maintaining the Original Style of the King James." 2002 AD: The English Standard Version (ESV) is Published as a translation to bridge the gap between the accuracy of the NASB and the readability of the NIV. http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/
Other Bibles:.
The Holy Bible from the ancient Eastern text : George M. Lamsa's translations from the Aramaic of the Peshitta (Hardcover - Jan 1, 1985)
A good read:
God's Secretaries:
The Making of the King James Bible
Adam Nicolson
HarperCollins, 304 pp, http://www.yalereviewofbooks.com/archive/spring04/review10.shtml.htm
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posted October 08, 2007 09:49 PM
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Indeed Fayte And precisely why I requested which translation. Keeps the confusion to a minimum.
Indeed!
It can become quite confusing. They all are different from each other.
For example:
* 1st Ed. King James (1611): "For God so loued the world, that he gaue his only begotten Sonne: that whosoeuer beleeueth in him, should not perish, but haue euerlasting life."
* Rheims (1582): "For so God loued the vvorld, that he gaue his only-begotten sonne: that euery one that beleeueth in him, perish not, but may haue life euerlasting"
* Geneva (1560): "For God so loueth the world, that he hath geuen his only begotten Sonne: that none that beleue in him, should peryshe, but haue euerlasting lyfe."
* Great Bible (1539): "For God so loued the worlde, that he gaue his only begotten sonne, that whosoeuer beleueth in him, shulde not perisshe, but haue euerlasting lyfe."
* Tyndale (1534): "For God so loveth the worlde, that he hath geven his only sonne, that none that beleve in him, shuld perisshe: but shuld have everlastinge lyfe."
* Wycliff (1380): "for god loued so the world; that he gaf his oon bigetun sone, that eche man that bileueth in him perisch not: but haue euerlastynge liif,"
* Anglo-Saxon Proto-English Manuscripts (995 AD): “God lufode middan-eard swa, dat he seade his an-cennedan sunu, dat nan ne forweorde de on hine gely ac habbe dat ece lif."The many modern versions are even more changed in phrasing differences and wordings. The differences are sometimes quite dramatic, affecting even the meanings. So when I have asked folks when they say;
"The Bible" IS the word of God...
I say..."so which version and translation would that be?
I am not trying to be rude or funny...I am asking a rational question.
It is amazing though how many folks have insisted there is only one version! 
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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posted October 08, 2007 10:16 PM
http://www.geocities.com/bible_translation/compare.htm http://www.zianet.com/maxey/versions.htm
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"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"
~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~
~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~
~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~
~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~
Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
"My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"
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