posted August 30, 2007 10:44 PM         

This does not gel with me. Ramakrishna realized his enlightenment state, yet he was suffering from mouth cancer. Very painful.

I will post a note on Karma as i see it....sometime later.....gotta run ..

Fayte, hang on there girl
"You are not the body nor the mind."

posted August 30, 2007 10:56 PM         

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This does not gel with me. Ramakrishna realized his enlightenment state, yet he was suffering from mouth cancer. Very painful.

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I will post a note on Karma as i see it....sometime later.....gotta run ..

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Fayte, hang on there girl
"You are not the body nor the mind."

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posted August 31, 2007 09:20 AM         

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Do you think it is ok to get angry as long as you love the real 'essence' inside everyOne?

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I think its okay to be anything.

And of course its natural to feel anger.

But holy people purify themselves of anger,
and of the causes of anger (which lie within),
transmuting it into compassion.

Also, they see the essence so clearly,
that it is impossible to remain angry.

posted August 31, 2007 10:18 AM         

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I think its okay to be anything.

And of course its natural to feel anger.

But holy people purify themselves of anger,
and of the causes of anger (which lie within),
transmuting it into compassion.

Also, they see the essence so clearly,
that it is impossible to remain angry.

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I think I have started the beginnings of it, still have much to achieve though

I felt confused about what I should do about a wasp's nest outside my kitchen window. I haven't been able to open the windows in there for a few weeks now, and have avoided going out in the garden. I tried to find out if there was a humane way to deal with it, but wasps are more tricky. You have to wait a while for them to abandon the nest, that means putting up with it all through the summer. If they got in through a small hole, rather than open the window and risk letting more in, I have been flushing them down the toilet and have not been feeling bad about that. I do not hate the wasps, but they tend to be more aggressive, not like the gentle bumble bee. Well, the pest control person came today. I felt a little sad, but not too sad- for all things come to pass in time.

Perhaps what I did wasn't the spiritually correct thing to do, but I've always strived for balance- in my opinion a total Jainist philosophy could lead to serious neurosis......

Plenty of time to learn, to search for answers.

Fayte....by the way....
I wanted to add
I think you are truly amazing!

posted September 15, 2007 03:50 PM         

This is exactly what the author Betty Shine described in one of her books. She, who has now passed onto another realm, worked as a psychic and animal healer here.

posted September 16, 2007 06:10 AM         

The Little Soul & The Sun
by Neale Donald Walsch, Conversations With God

Once upon no time, there was a little Soul who said to God, “I know who I am.”

And God said, "That's wonderful! Who are you?"

And the Little Soul shouted, "I'm the Light!"

God smiled a big smile. "That's right!" God exclaimed. "You are the Light."

The Little Soul was so happy, for it had figured out what all the souls in the Kingdom were there to figure out.

"Wow," said the Little Soul, "this is really cool!"

But soon, knowing who it was, was not enough. The Little Soul felt stirrings inside, and now wanted to be who it was. And so the Little Soul went back to God (which is not a bad idea for all souls who want to be Who They Really Are) and said,

"Hi, God! Now that I know Who I am, is it okay for me to be it?"

And God said, "You mean you want to be Who You Already Are?"

"Well," replied the Little Soul," it's one thing to know Who I Am, and another thing altogether to actually be it. I want to feel what it's like to be the Light!"

"But you already are the Light," God repeated, smiling again.

"Yes, but I want to see what that feels like!" cried the Little Soul.

"Well," said God with a chuckle, "I suppose I should have known. You always were the adventuresome one."

Then God's expression changed. "There's only one thing..."

"What?" asked the Little Soul.

"Well, there is nothing else but the Light. You see, I created nothing but what you are; and so, there is no easy way for you to experience yourself as Who You Are, since there is nothing that you are not."

"Huh?" said the Little Soul, who was now a little confused.

"Think of it this way," said God. "You are like a candle in the Sun. Oh, you're there all right. Along with a million, gazillion other candles who make up the Sun. And the sun would not be the Sun without you. Nay, it would be a sun without one of its candles...and that would not be the Sun at all; for it would not shine as brightly. Yet, how to know yourself as the Light when you are amidst the Light -that is the question."

"Well," the Little Soul perked up, "you're God. Think of something!"

Once more God smiled. "I already have," God said. "Since you cannot see yourself as the Light when you are in the Light, we'll surround you with darkness."

"What's darkness?" the Little Soul asked.

God replied, "It is that which you are not."

"Will I be afraid of the dark?" cried the Little Soul.

"Only if you choose to be," God answered. "There is nothing, really, to be afraid of, unless you decide that there is. You see, we are making it all up. We are pretending."

"Oh," said the Little Soul, and felt better already.

Then God explained that, in order to experience anything at all, the exact opposite of it will appear.

"It is a great gift," God said, "because without it, you could not know what anything is like. You could not know Warm without Cold, Up without Down, Fast without Slow. You could not know Left without Right, Here without There, Now without Then."

"And so," God concluded, "when you are surrounded with darkness, do not shake your fist and raise your voice and curse the darkness. Rather be a Light unto the darkness, and don't be mad about it. Then you will know Who You Really Are, and all others will know, too. Let your Light shine so that everyone will know how special you are!"

"You mean it's okay to let others see how special I am?" asked the Little Soul.

"Of course!" God chuckled. "It's very okay! But remember, 'special' does not mean 'better.' Everybody is special, each in their own way! Yet many others have forgotten that. They will see that it is okay for them to be special only when you see that it is okay for you to be special."

"Wow," said the Little Soul, dancing and skipping and laughing and jumping with joy. "I can be as special as I want to be!"

"Yes, and you can start right now," said God, who was dancing and skipping and laughing right along with the Little Soul.

"What part of special do you want to be?"

"What part of special?" the Little Soul repeated. "I don't understand."

"Well," God explained, "being the Light is being special, and being special has a lot of parts to it. It is special to be kind. It is special to be gentle. It is special to be creative. It is special to be patient. Can you think of any other ways it is special to be?"

The Little Soul sat quietly for a moment. "I can think of lots of ways to be special!" the Little Soul then exclaimed. "It is special to be helpful. It is special to be sharing. It is special to be friendly. It is special to be considerate of others!"

"Yes!" God agreed, "and you can be all of those things, or any part of special you wish to be, at any moment. That's what it means to be the Light."

"I know what I want to be, I know what I want to be!" the Little Soul announced with great excitement. "I want to be the part of special called 'forgiving'. Isn't it special to be forgiving?"

"Oh, yes," God assured the Little Soul. "That is very special."

"Okay," said the Little Soul. "That's what I want to be. I want to be forgiving. I want to experience myself as that."

"Good," said God, "but there's one thing you should know."

The Little Soul was becoming a bit impatient now. It always seemed as though there were some complication.

"What is it?" the Little Soul sighed.

"There is no one to forgive."

"No one?" The Little Soul could hardly believe what had been said.

"No one!" God repeated. "Everything I have made is perfect. There is not a single soul in all creation less perfect than you. Look around you."

It was then that the Little Soul realized a large crowd had gathered. Souls had come from far and wide ~ from all over the Kingdom ~ for the word had gone forth that the Little Soul was having this extraordinary conversation with God, and everyone wanted to hear what they were saying. Looking at the countless other souls gathered there, the Little Soul had to agree. None appeared less wonderful, less magnificent, or less perfect than the Little Soul itself. Such was the wonder of the souls gathered around, and so bright was their Light, that the Little Soul could scarcely gaze upon them.

"Who, then, to forgive?" asked God.

"Boy, this is going to be no fun at all!" grumbled the Little Soul. "I wanted to experience myself as One Who Forgives. I wanted to know what that part of special felt like."

And the Little Soul learned what it must feel like to be sad. But just then a Friendly Soul stepped forward from the crowd.

"Not to worry, Little Soul," the Friendly Soul said, "I will help you."

"You will?" the Little Soul brightened. "But what can you do?"

"Why, I can give you someone to forgive!"

"You can?"

"Certainly!" chirped the Friendly Soul. "I can come into your next lifetime and do something for you to forgive."

"But why? Why would you do that?" the Little Soul asked. "You, who are a Being of such utter perfection! You, who vibrate with such a speed that it creates a Light so bright that I can hardly gaze upon you! What could cause you to want to slow down your vibration to such a speed that your bright Light would become dark and dense? What could cause you ~ who are so light that you dance upon the stars and move through the Kingdom with the speed of your thought--to come into my life and make yourself so heavy that you could do this bad thing?"

"Simple," the Friendly Soul said. "I would do it because I love you."

The Little Soul seemed surprised at the answer.

"Don't be so amazed," said the Friendly Soul, "you have done the same thing for me. Don't you remember? Oh, we have danced together, you and I, many times. Through the eons and across all the ages have we danced. Across all time and in many places have we played together. You just don't remember."

"We have both been All Of It. We have been the Up and the Down of it, the Left and the Right of it. We have been the Here and the There of it, the Now and the Then of it. We have been the male and the female, the good and the bad; we have both been the victim and the villain of it."

"Thus have we come together, you and I, many times before; each bringing to the other the exact and perfect opportunity to Express and to Experience Who We Really Are. And so," the Friendly Soul explained further, "I will come into your next lifetime and be the 'bad one' this time. I will do something really terrible, and then you can experience yourself as the One Who Forgives."

"But what will you do?" the Little Soul asked, just a little nervously, "that will be so terrible?"

"Oh," replied the Friendly Soul with a twinkle, "we'll think of something."

Then the Friendly Soul seemed to turn serious, and said in a quiet voice, "You are right about one thing, you know."

"What is that?" the Little Soul wanted to know.

"I will have to slow down my vibration and become very heavy to do this not-so-nice thing. I will have to pretend to be something very unlike myself. And so, I have but one favour to ask of you in return."

"Oh, anything, anything!" cried the Little Soul, and began to dance and sing, "I get to be forgiving, I get to be forgiving!"

Then the Little Soul saw that the Friendly Soul was remaining very quiet.

"What is it?" the Little Soul asked. "What can I do for you? You are such an angel to be willing to do this for me!"

"Of course this Friendly Soul is an angel!" God interrupted. "Everyone is! Always remember: I have sent you nothing but angels."

And so the Little Soul wanted more than ever to grant the Friendly Soul's request. "What can I do for you?" the Little Soul asked again.

"In the moment that I strike you and smite you," the Friendly Soul replied, "in the moment that I do the worst to you that you could possible imagine ~ in that very moment..."

"Yes?" the Little Soul interrupted, "yes...?"

"Remember Who I Really Am."

"Oh, I will!" cried the Little Soul, "I promise! I will always remember you as I see you right here, right now!"

"Good," said the Friendly Soul, "because, you see, I will have been pretending so hard, I will have forgotten myself. And if you do not remember me as I really am, I may not be able to remember for a very long time. And if I forget Who I Am, you may even forget Who You Are, and we will both be lost. Then we will need another soul to come along and remind us both of Who We Are."

"No, we won't!" the Little Soul promised again. "I will remember you! And I will thank you for bringing me this gift ~ the chance to experience myself as Who I Am."

And so, the agreement was made. And the Little Soul went forth into a new lifetime, excited to be the Light, which was very special, and excited to be that part of special called Forgiveness.

And the Little Soul waited anxiously to be able to experience itself as Forgiveness, and to thank whatever other soul made it possible. And at all the moments in that new lifetime, whenever a new soul appeared on the scene, whether that new soul brought joy or sadness--and especially if it brought sadness--the Little Soul thought of what God had said.

"Always remember," God had smiled, "I have sent you nothing but angels."

posted September 17, 2007 10:57 AM         

It's a beautiful and inspiring story,
and I'm sending it to a few friends.
Still, I think it distorts the truth,
maybe even more than it reveals it.

It's funny to me that the little soul wasn't told
what horrible thing would be done to it,
in order to procure "the profound joy of forgiving", lol.
Tell me, if you were not ignorant of what pain is,
would you agree to be raped and beaten to death,
just so you could experience the relief of forgiving and letting it go?
Kind of like hitting your head against a wall,
just to experience the joy of stopping.
Seems to me the little soul was not making an informed, conscious choice at all,
but was tricked by a very clever and nasty God.

I am more inclined to accept the teachings
of the Gnostics and "A Course In Miracles":

There is no good reason for darkness,
although it seems that way when things are bright.

"Dream delivers us to dream, and there is no end to illusion. Life is a train of moods like a string of beads, and as we pass through them they prove to be many-colored lenses which paint the world their own hue, and each shows only what lies in their focus."
- Emerson

There is no more truth or reality in light than in darkness.
Both are experienced, so both exist.

If anything, darkness is many times more prevalent,
and so, more existent, more real.

Transmuting darkness is no great adventure.
If it were a choice,
and not a necessity,
it would be a fool's errand.

But it is a necessary evil.
And a near-endless chore.

If you disagree, then,
you must welcome this post as the best response yet,
as it will provide you with plenty to transmute.

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hsc

If the alternative to polarity is nothingness,
then, in soul form, were we in nothingness?

If so, we would not exist
(and would not be in a position to chose anything).

If not, we would already be experiencing the polarity.

So what point is there in descending?

We always try to choose light over dark.
Why would we choose anything,
if we didn't think it were lighter,
and better than our present condition?

Why would we choose light-and-dark,
unless the alternative were dark?

It makes no sense.
It is a New Age dogma,
less destructive,
but no less irrational than the Old dogmas
it is intended to replace.

Question everything.

HSC

When I think of balance,
I think of stalemate, stagnation.
Nothingness.

Or, else,
a dyanamic state in which every new experience
contains the anticipation of the next.

But why chose to leave such a state?

Something would have to be lacking.

The story Randall posted suggests that Light,
or, rather, the awareness of light (a clever sophism),
is what is lacking.
But the lack of light,
or the lack of the awareness of light
(which is only another way of saying the lack of light)
IS darkness.

In a state of balance there would be no lack.
No lack of light.
No lack of awareness.

Why move from that state?

What was lacking?

How can balance be a state of lacking?

hsc

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because, we get bored in that state, after so many 1000's of years...

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If balance got boring,
me thinks it wasn't balance to begin with.
Boredom IS darkness,
so, why not work with that?

Why escape into more exciting darkness?
Does that sound like the act of a wise soul?
Or, maybe, more like a reckless teenager
climbing out her window to go get drunk and knocked-up?

"Adventure, hmph.
Excitement, hmph.
A jedi craves not these things."

- Master Yoda

hsc

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I'm inclined to agree with HSC. I felt the very same thing when I first read this. I understand why the author sets the story up, people need to make sense of all the horrible things that happen to them in life. Also the author understands that forgiveness can be liberating, allowing the victim to move on from whatever incident that has harm them. The author is trying to teach us freedom, but the way he sets it up is a bit preposterous for the exact reasons that HSC has mentioned.
Not to sound cynical, but would anyone subject themselves to beatings, rape, torture, just so they can forgive someone? That hardly seems a fair trade off.

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There's more on page 4

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Fayte....by the way....
I wanted to add
I think you are truly amazing!

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posted September 17, 2007 05:16 PM         

I think this is why I have become much more interested in the other theory I wrote in the thread on here today, 3rd post down.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002834.html