posted April 17, 2007 08:25 PM              

The second is Jesus was not his name.

Nor is Christ.

To continue:
[Middle English Crist, from Old English Crst, from Latin Chrstus, from Greek Khrstos, from khrstos, anointed, verbal adj. of khrein, to anoint; see ghri- in Indo-European roots.]

Christ is the English translation of the Greek word (Christós), which literally means The Anointed One. It translates the Hebrew word (Mašía), usually transliterated Messiah.

The word is often misunderstood to be the surname of Jesus due to the numerous mentions of Jesus Christ in the Christian Bible. The word is in fact a title, hence its common reciprocal use Christ Jesus, meaning The Anointed One, Jesus. To clarify this, Jesus is sometimes referred to as "the Man". Followers of Jesus became known as Christians because they believed that Jesus was the Christ, or Messiah, prophesied in the Tanakh (which Christians term the Old Testament). The majority of Jews reject this claim and are still waiting for the Christ to come (see Jewish Messiah). Most Christians now wait for the Second Coming of Christ when it is thought he will fulfill the rest of the Messianic prophecy.

Full etymology

The spelling Christ in English dates from the 17th century, when, in the spirit of the enlightenment, spellings of certain words were changed to fit their Greek or Latin origins. Prior to this, in Old and Middle English, the word was spelled Crist, the i being pronounced either as "i" (see IPA pronunciation), preserved in the names of churches such as St Katherine Cree, or as a short i, preserved in the modern pronunciation of Christmas.

The term appears in English and most European languages owing to the Greek usage of Christos in the New Testament as a description for Jesus. In the Septuagint version of the Old Testament, it was used to translate into Greek the Hebrew Mashiach (Messiah), meaning "one who is anointed". While many Christian writers claim that this term implied a match to the criteria of being anointed that Jewish tradition had given to their predicted future saviour, some argue that there is no "saviour" concept, as suggested in Christianity, in the Jewish tradition. The "anointed" one more closely means 'high priest', 'leader', or even 'ruler'.

The Greek term is cognate with Chrism, meaning perfumed oil; in fact Christos in classical Greek usage could mean covered in oil, and is thus a literal and accurate translation of Messiah (just as Saul the King was oiled up when he was proclaimed king). The Greek term is thought to derive from the Proto-Indo-European root of ghey-, which in Germanic languages, such as English, mutated into gris- and grim-. Hence the English words grisly, grim, grime, gizm and grease, are thought to be cognate with Christ, though these terms came to have a negative connotation, where the Greek word had a positive connotation. In French, the Greek term, in ordinary usage, mutated first to cresme and then to creme, due to the loss of certain 's' usages in French, which was loaned into English as cream. The word was used by extension in Hellenic and Jewish contexts to refer to the office, role or status of the person, not to their actually being an oily person, as a strict reading of the etymology might imply.

According to Tom Harpur, a former professor of Theology at the University of Toronto who denies the historicity of Jesus, the Christian usage of the term Christ derives from Egypt. Harpur has argued that the application of the term Christ to Jesus derives from the Egyptian use of the term Karast (covered in cooking oil) to describe Horus, who Harpur also alleges that much of the descriptions of Jesus are copied from. Karast is a false cognate to Christ, and Harpur has alleged that this co-incidence was the reason that Christians chose this appellation of Horus rather than any other, since in Jewish circles, Christ readily brings to mind the Jewish belief in a Messiah.

Another theory states that name Christ and his story could have been adapted from the Hindu god rama rama Krishna because of similarities in their names and life. Both Krishna and Christ are said to have lived a life of a shepherd. In both stories a king seeks and kills children, hoping to kill Krishna / Christ. There are similarities in their deaths too - Krishna is killed by an iron-nailed arrow piercing his feet and Christ crucified by iron nails. Long before any references to Krishna appear, the Elamites in the 3rd millennium BC also had a deity named Kiririsha.

'Chrestus' is a similar Greek name, which Suetonius confused for 'Christos'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ

The Messiah

The promised Deliverer is twice called the "Anointed" or Moshiach (Psalms 2:2; Daniel 9:25, 26), because he was anointed with the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 61:1) which, in the text, is an expression of nobility and greatness. According to the New Testament, Jesus of Nazareth is this anointed One, the Moshiach of the Tanakh (John 1:41; Acts 9:22; 17:2, 3; 18:5, 28), and the Gospels state that he was physically anointed by an anonymous figure who traditionally is interpreted as Mary Magdalene. The word Christ which now looks like a surname is actually a title derived from the Greek Christos roughly meaning 'anointed' (creamy or greased would be more cognate as translations).

According to the Jewish Bible, whenever someone received the anointing, the Spirit of God came upon this person, to qualify him or her for a God-given task. However, it was not always required to be physically anointed in order to receive the Spirit of God.

Priests and kings
In the Hebrew Bible, the High Priest and the king are each sometimes called "the anointed" (Leviticus 4:3, 5, 16; 6:20; Psalms 132:10). Prophets were also anointed (1 Kings 19:16; 1 Chronicles 16:22; Psalms 105:15).

Anointing a king was equivalent to crowning him; in fact, in Israel a crown was not required (1 Samuel 16:13; 2 Samuel 2:4, etc.). Thus David was anointed as king by the prophet Samuel:

Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.—1 Samuel 16:13.
The French Kings adopted the fleur-de-lis as a baptismal symbol of purity on the conversion of the Frankish King Clovis I to the Christian religion in 493. To further enhance its mystique, a legend eventually sprang up that a vial of oil (cfr. infra the crowning ampulla) descended from Heaven to anoint and sanctify Clovis as King. The thus "anointed" Kings of France later maintained that their authority was directly from God, without the mediation of either the Emperor or the Pope.

Legends claim that even the lily itself appeared at the baptismal ceremony as a gift of blessing in an apparition of the blessed Virgin Mary.

Christian monarchy

In Christian Europe, the Merovingian monarchy was the first to anoint the king in a coronation ceremony that was designed to epitomize the Catholic Church's conferring a religious sanction of the monarch's divine right to rule. A number of Merovingian, Carolingian and Ottonian kings and emperors have avoided coronation and anointing.

English monarchs in common with the French included anointing in the coronation rituals (sacre in French). The Sovereign of the United Kingdom is the last anointed monarch. For the coronation of King Charles I in 1626 the holy oil was made of a concoction of orange, jasmine, distilled roses, distilled cinnamon, oil of ben, extract of bensoint, ambergris, musk and civet.

However this does not symbolize any subordination to the religious authority, hence it is not usually performed in Catholic monarchies by the pope but usually reserved for the (arch)bishop of a major see (sometimes the site of the whole coronation) in the nation, as is sometime the very act of crowning. Hence its utensils can be part of the regalia, such as in the French kingdom an ampulla for the oil and a spoon to apply it with; in the Norwegian kingdom, an anointing horn (a form fitting the Biblical as well as the Viking tradition) is the traditional vessel.

Christian sacramental usage

Early Christian usage
In early Christian times, sick people were anointed for healing to take place:

James 5:
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox usage
In Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox usage, anointing is part of the sacrament of Anointing of the Sick. Consecrated oil is also used in confirmation, or, as it is sometimes called (especially in Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Rite Catholic churches), chrismation, from the Greek word chrisma , meaning the medium and act of anointing. Eastern Churches perform the sacrament of chrismation immediately after the sacrament of baptism during the same ceremony. Orthodox Christians may re-request chrismation at will, but usually this is done during Holy Week.

Consecration of the Oil in the Orthodox Churches
Among Eastern Orthodox Churches, the Myron ( Holy Oil) for anointment is prepared periodically by the Orthodox Patriarchates (such as the Church of Constantinople -- see an announcement and process for preparation, with some sample dates of preparation) and by the various heads of autocephalous administrations (such as the Orthodox Church in America -- see photos of the process). The consecration of the Oil, when performed, occurs during Holy Week, and thereafter the Oil is distributed to the Orthodox Churches within the authority of the administration. The Myron is made of olive oil and a guarded recipe of aromatics (myra) that are infused therein.

At the Patriarchate of Constantinople, the process is under the care of the Archontes Myrepsoi, lay officials of the Patriarchate. Various members of the clergy may also participate in the preparation.

Pentecostal churches
As in the early Christian church, anointing with oil is used in Pentecostal churches for healing the sick and also for consecration or ordination of pastors and elders.

The word "anointing" is also frequently used by Pentecostal Christians to refer to the power of God or the Spirit of God residing in a Christian: a usage that occurs from time to time in the Bible (e.g. in 1 John 2:20). A particularly popular expression is "the anointing that breaks the yoke", which is derived from Isaiah 10:27:

And it shall come to pass on that day, that his burden shall be removed from upon your shoulder, and his yoke from upon your neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of oil.
The NIV translates this passage as, "the yoke will be broken because you have grown so fat." The context of this passage refers to the yoke of Sennacherib, and how his oppressive nature is overturned by that of Hezekiah who was said to be as mild as oil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anointing

Additionally, around the mythos sprang a diversity of nomers for the man Yeshua; with different connotations, and implications, depending on one's beliefs.
It is no wonder that the message has veen virtually ignored.
Too many folks dwelling on their desire to deify and want saved, rather than taking responsiblity for themselves and their actions.

Moby Thesaurus words for "Christ":
Christ Jesus, Emmanuel, God the Son, God-man, Immanuel, Jesu,
Jesus, Jesus Christ, Jesus of Nazareth, King of Glory,
King of Heaven, King of Kings, Lamb of God, Lord Jesus,
Lord of Lords, Lord our Righteousness, Messiah, Our Lord,
Prince of Peace, Redeemer, Savior, Son of God, Son of Man,
atonement, intercession, judgment, mediation, propitiation,
redemption, salvation, the Advocate, the Anointed, the Christ,
the Christ Child, the Door, the Galilean, the Good Shepherd,
the Infant Jesus, the Intercessor, the Judge, the Lamb, the Life,
the Master, the Mediator, the Nazarene, the Only-Begotten,
the Risen, the True Vine, the Truth, the Vine, the Way

I would add here to Moby's list:
The Morning Star...from NT/Revelation
The Alpha and Omega...from NT/Revelation
Sun of righteousness ...from OT...Malachi
Son of the Father.....

And of course:
Yeshua
Yeshua Ben Yosef
Isa
Issa

How do I post it larger?
I saved it to Photobucket,
but it was minimized there for some reason.

posted April 18, 2007 11:52 AM              

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

posted April 24, 2007 07:02 AM              

In the Book of Luke when Jesus is asked "where wilt thou that we prepare?" concerning the Kingdom of the New Age of Jesus's return, Jesus says to follow a man "bearing a pitcher of water" into the house he enters. In Astrology, a man bearing a pitcher of water symbolizes the coming of the Age of Aquarius and is known as "the water bearer". In Astrology, the Age of Aquarius comes directly after the Age of Pisces.

Ages are believed by some to affect mankind. For Aquarius (also called "the Water bearer"), it is reported we have already been feeling influences - titled Orb of influence (the last ten degrees backwards of the Age of Pisces) - in the accelerated individual, social, cultural, scientific and technological development and globalization through the 20th century. This view is consistent with the popular notion of the New Age movement that regards current times as the "dawning of the Aquarian Age".

On the other hand, the Aquarian Age is thought to bring with it an era of universal brotherhood rooted in reason where it will be possible to solve social problems in a manner equitable to all and with greater opportunity for intellectual and spiritual improvement, since Aquarius is an airy, scientific, and intellectual sign and its ruler planet, Uranus, is associated with intuition (knowledge above reason) and direct perceptions of the heart; and on the mundane level it rules electricity and technology. It is generally described by astrologers that in the Age of Aquarius there will be a blending of religion and science to such a degree that a religious science and a scientific religion will be formed.

Eastern astrology associates the Age of Pisces with the yin; i.e., spirituality and intuition. Aquarius, on the other hand represents the yang, with its emphasis on rationality and high technology.

posted January 17, 2011 02:01 PM            

More specifically, what Birthday would be chosen and for what purpose?

(is that his or her true name also i wonder? with all these echoes of chinese whispers repeated throughout Father Time; the greatest healer and deceiver of them all).

posted January 17, 2011 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ariefairy:
if we may make one presumption in this query that the essence of 'Jesus' is an amalgamation of all the virtues and 'worked through' or 'explored' vices of all the signs developed into a greater tolerance for acceptance and notion of Unconditional Love (for the whole). i feel the ascended master has had many a birthday.

More specifically, what Birthday would be chosen and for what purpose?

(is that his or her true name also i wonder? with all these echoes of chinese whispers repeated throughout Father Time; the greatest healer and deceiver of them all).

- 'The unexamined life is not worth living.'- Socrates

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Well in my opinion, there are no so called
ascended masters.
That indicates first off, a kind of ego arrogance.
As my sig line says:

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Learning is eternal; all true Gods know this simple truth~LEXX

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So if anyone here has any possible past life memories of those times;
please let me know.
Privately is fine, and the more your possible memories veer from the mainstream myths, the more interested I am in what you might know/remember.

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i feel the ascended master has had many a birthday.

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More specifically, what Birthday would be chosen and for what purpose?

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posted January 17, 2011 03:41 PM            

All I can say, is an echo of;
"forgive them, they know not what they do"
and wish for that soul all the shielding possible from these repeated Voodoo doings.

posted January 17, 2011 11:21 PM            

with words typed on a screen I must admit to a somewhat autistic-augmented sense of communication ,ahh my intentions were made in respects to the latter...
a generalized whole of the whole. Conversing in modern language is a quite a confuzzlement
for starters its all backwards

‘master·dom n.
Usage Note: Master has been a productive source of compounds in English, evidenced by words such as masterpiece, concertmaster, mastermind, and masterstroke, to name just a few. It is also used frequently on its own as a noun, verb, and adjective, with meanings ranging from "an original document that is to be copied" to "a man who serves as the head of a household." The latter sense lends the word masculine connotations, which, along with the word's associations with the institutions of slavery, causes some people to be offended by the use of master in any form. Nonetheless, many senses of master, such as the noun sense "an expert" and the verb sense "to make oneself an expert at," have long been thought of as gender-neutral and are in wide use. Some compounds, like masterpiece and master plan, have lost most, if not all, of their associations with maleness. They exist as distinct words, and people do not usually think of them as a combination of parts each containing a different meaning.’

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Originally posted by LEXX:
‘The concept of the omnipotence is a lie a delusion of the worst kind.
First thing to let go of is the concept of deific.’

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could you explain this, the delusion, and letting go of the concept of deific?

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Originally posted by LEXX:
‘Learning is eternal’

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Originally posted by LEXX:
‘As for crucifixes, crucifixion and all.
Damn that angers me to no end!
Every day for nigh onto 2,000 years foolish people have by the millions and millions been re-crucifying that soul, in essence Voodoo like!!’

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I could not agree more with your whole statement . it makes me sick, Sick SICK to the teeth. Is it some kind of ‘in’ joke for those rub salt into the wounds, or some mindless-ly- perpetuated ignorance?

posted January 17, 2011 11:26 PM            

'One of my primary annoyances with the Jesus Mythos is the Usage of Christ as a name proper; which it was not.
The second is Jesus was not his name.

Nor is Christ.'