posted May 18, 2005 04:06 PM              

There has recently been a lot of debate in my country between homosexuality & the courts decision on it.

I would like to know what the Bible really says about homosexuality. I know it says God is against it but people otherwise say that it is misinterpreted in the Bible.
Please direct me to everything that says something about homosexuality in the Bible as I don't know where to find it.

posted May 18, 2005 06:35 PM              

The interpretations of this story have been many. Some say it wasn't about homosexuality per say but leading a path of unskilled ways. If we give up our ways that do not lead to God and don't look back our path is then potentially enlightened. If we look back then we become rigid and unable to move.

There are other places in the bible, perhaps "I am that" can help if he's still around.

Personally, I think trying to justify homosexuality based upon the bible is absurd!
I know many many many gay individuals who are recognizable as being gay either physically by their body build, their voice over a phone, their personality, countless ways that is reflective of the opposite sex. Clearly sexuality is generally NOT a choice.I think the reason that fundamentalist fear homosexuals is the simple fact that if gays are proven to be born that way, they then need to rethink their entire belief system. That belief system is to me their Sodom and Gamora story of unskilled perceptions and they have made themselves rigid by holding onto those dated beliefs and refusing to see that God has everyone - gay and all in his plan!!! Question the bible my friend, ask yourself does this belief hold the highest intention for loving myself and others or is it pointing the finger in blame creating fear and guilt. If it is doing the later, it is coming from the ego not God.

posted May 18, 2005 08:05 PM              

There was a thread in the past about this topic:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001174.html

Well my comments therein was then. Heres my current thoughts. The scripture were written by priests inspired by their own experiences. So we cannot take it literally. We must however not ignore it but refer to it and reach our own truth. That is how we all humans really evolve.

My political stand on this is that I am ok with what ever the government decides. I am for domestic partner rights as I believe I live in a world where people of same sex do live together. If I consider my judicial system to be fair then I cannot ignore these peoples needs. It will be injustice to do so.

My spiritual stand on this is as follows:

First I would describe desire and lust that is related to sex. Desire is the fantasy about the person. Lust is desire in action. Sex whether gay or straight should be the last resort in any relationship. I think, Romance without sex is so cute.
What makes it cute is the anticipation, the hope, the longing, the mood, the desire, the feeling of time going so slow in that moment, etc..

There are singles and married who attain enlightenment. I have seen some married men, who are more enlightened than a himalayan yogi. The point is sex is not a determining factor to achieve enlightenment.
We do see nymphs in both gay and str8 world. Shouldn't we be moderate and control our energy. Everytime we ejaculate theres certain chemicals that leaves our body. I think its zinc in case of semen. I think moderation is the key.

Like I said in one of the forum thread theres a woman in every man and a man in every woman. Imagine Leonardo Da Vinci. Why would he paint Mona Lisa with his facial features. I am sure he struggled with that thought as well. A good painter would know that creativity is feminine quality. I can read Michaelangelos thoughts as he was painting the sixteenth chapel.

Biologically, it may be against the norm, to go the wrong way. But guess what it has been shown that the nerves around the anus's surrounding is connected to the brain, implying maximum pleasure.

Now on a sombre note. There are chakras within human body as per the hindus. Starting with the mooldhara , etc... Now if we want to establish a channel within our body we must remove all the blockages within each chakra. If we have repressed thoughts, loneliness etc. It interferes with the chakra energy.

Imagine theres a building and we need to raise water from the lower storeys to the upper storeys. If theres a leakage in the lower storeys, then we need more energy to raise the water higher. In same manner, by subconsciously not lusting we can raise our body energy. Theres a useful remedy for people desiring to ascend spirituality but they have lustful thoughts arousing their passion and body heat. Such person must take a cold shower whenever that happens. It works most of the time

I am against cheating on lovers or wife. Life is too short. I am also against allowing multiple persons to enter our body. Buddha said (I am paraphrasing)

We must not desire for fun nor ask for pain. They both bring us grief

I echo with his great wisdom.

(I didn't have time to edit this post. Please point out any errors)

posted May 19, 2005 04:56 PM              

I am looking for both sides of the story (meaning for & against).

posted May 20, 2005 12:41 PM              

are you searching for validity or a blueprint pertaining to relations of this calibre?

posted May 22, 2005 01:32 AM              

But what if the first one is his sister?

posted May 22, 2005 09:55 AM              

Yes! I most definitely agree! And so, on that note I will (yes, AGAIN !) post some words that have helped me in times of doubt and conflict/confusion!

TO ALL WITH LOVE!
Jesus said, "let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the all."
Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you. For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest."
From "The Gospel of Thomas"

posted May 22, 2005 10:26 PM              

I seldom judge, but my objective is only to present to the reader my thought process, and how I tackle any problem/questions in my life. These are only my truth (please do not take that away from me, cause I haven't hurt anyone. Or atleast I thought so when I wrote.)

The fact is what seems obvious in the earth plane is indeed paradoxical when you take a really close look at it. So I would always refrain from making truths known in prose.

And now that I am really thinking of it, picture 2 men doing it and there is ejaculation. Did you ever wonder how wasted the sperms are? From the time it is released it is programmed to search for ovum. Out of a million only one finds its way. In this case its zilch that the poor sperm on each ejaculation would find the ovum. Now, they tell us that, if we fill the kitchen sink with water and then wash the dishes, it saves 5 gallons of water as compared to using running water. I like that truth and would attempt to follow it. Similarly why will I with the same logic try not to conserve the wastage of sperm? If you want me to stretch it further. The sperms if they are not used enough would be recycled in the blood. If we continue to not use the reserve, it will have an effect on the harmonal level. The masculine voice would become softer, its not noticeable though. The person would have a belly....

I can go on and on....and I better stop. The answer to any question is not just true or false. I rather have each person live their own truth and experience and live it so that they do not miss on that experience lest it haunt them again.

Sorry for being so gross on this thread

Cheers.