posted September 17, 2005 10:44 PM         

Would you say Jesus the Christ was Annointed, if so, by what?

Blessings

posted September 17, 2005 11:10 PM         

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That is a dogmatic concept

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I do not have to believe in Zeus for example to study the mythos and attempt to understand why it begain

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For clarity, are you infering Zeus and Jesus were of the same Nature and Being? Or that they were both myths?

Blessings,

posted September 17, 2005 11:16 PM         

Offence is not possable in Reality.

Blessings,

***edited to add the asleep smilie

posted September 18, 2005 10:56 PM         

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Offence is not possable in Reality

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Nice idealistic outlook but not how life actually is.
One should endeavor to not confuse reality with idealistic ideals.
In your personal reality you may well endeavor to reject offense, but in the objective interpersonal reality we cannot control the reactions of others.

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There`s an ancient redneck adage here that goes "I said it, I ment it and I am here to represent it" A person in balance has objective capabilities and anothers actions never ever causes reaction. Simply action or non action.

I give my power to no one! You can only offend, insult, anger, shame,scare ect. someone who doesn`t Know themselves. Who they are and what they have the potential to Be.If you could, they`d be peeping out of a box for eternity.

Of course I can not control the actions/reactions of others. But I can and do control myself. The greatest Teachers of history taught Know Thyself first (then we may know others).

I am at a loss of the term you used "objective interpersonal reality" ?

Thank you for the illuminating conversation!

Blessings,

posted September 19, 2005 01:48 AM         

"objective interpersonal reality" - excellent oxymoron! Completely true too. I'd venture to say that it means no one can completely understand themselves as they are themselves - so it's truely subjective. Not to mention what we understand of reality. So the "interpersonal" cancels "objective" and "reality". It is all who you are. Granted you may not be offended, or act offendedly, but who knows?

As for the quotes, point 4 was only half looked at, the part "For many of the first will be last, and will become a single one" made me really spiral. I've read Edgar Cayce say that Jesus was previously Amelius - one of the first souls to enter our plain. So I think this sentence means the First Souls will live last, and then become one with the All. Then the cycle starts again as mentioned in the Conversations with God series. The Person old in days could be the second-last lives to live, and the child is tha last and hence kows all (having been the first as well). This is just a literal translation as I'm sure it has more depths. Seven days old sure is young. Seven years seems more adequate, but hey, who am I to ctiticise Jesus

Like IAT said, maybe the baby doesn't answer, but God does into the silence?

posted September 19, 2005 02:03 AM         

I think this is similar to "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away.

The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive. When you are in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

Life is about living. To eat and farm animals is to allow them to live. Once they don't hold relevance for us, they may become extinct. In any case, as living entities, it is our choice as to what we will do with our time. In any case, "this heaven will pass away".

You gotta love the quote "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death." Oh, how to interpret correctly! Does this mean we must abolish all grains of doubt?

Maybe he's being figurative? I don't think so.

posted September 19, 2005 07:00 PM         

In response to your original post.

Re: #9.

I think it was explained well in prior threads. It compares how God words takes roots in the heart of each man according to what he is made up of.

Re : #10: Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and look, I'm guarding it until it blazes."

Fire could mean spiritul fire. He has kindled the fire of knowledge in each one who reads his message with an open heart.
He does not wish that we all spiral so soon. A new age is coming where we would shed our bodies that is made of matter. He is guarding the intensity of this fire. The christ, within is in control of this fire.

On the -ve side it may also mean cleansing. Purification of bad elements.

posted September 19, 2005 10:24 PM         

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This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away.

The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive. When you are in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

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-This seems to be very buddhist teaching to me.

This heaven would pass = The matter world we live in is considered a heaven by Jesus
And the one above = The heaven beyond the veil that seperates our universe

>>The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive.

The carcass that is left behind is not alive. Devoid of soul. The living that is the soul/spirit does not die. It is immortal. When we eat farm animals the soul leaves the carcass and becomes alive.

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>>>When you are in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

It seems when we leave the carcass i.e when we die, we are surrounded by a light.
We have two paths I believe then.

posted September 19, 2005 10:59 PM         

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Jesus said, "When you see one who was not born of woman, fall on your faces and worship. That one is your Father."

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Jesus has such a firey sense of humor
There is no one who visited here on earth that would qualify. He implies, according to my mind, teachers such as Buddha must not be worshipped if they are born of a womb.

If an alien visits us saying "I am not born of a woman. worship me." We should reply, you still do not qualify to be worshipped because you are made of dust which you have borrowed from OUR Father .....

All right I better keep mum...

Lots of love to all...

posted September 19, 2005 11:09 PM         

Heres my thinking:

Before the foundation of the world the Father/Mother ordained that Jesus would come down to earth to manifest Gods love.
Hence all the pure love, pure thoughts, pure miracles we witnessed of Him and continue to witness till this day.

====Edited late nite==
Oops I forgot to add...the bible records many prophets who prophecised coming of a Messiah. Who would bring mankind closer to God. That is reconcile man/woman with God.
Prophets are holy men of God. They are called Gods people. I know you know all these but its nice to recount

posted September 20, 2005 02:38 AM         

53 His disciples said to him, "is circumcision useful or not?"

He said to them, "If it were useful, their father would produce children already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become profitable in every respect."

It seems he's against circumcision? I thought churches condoned it?

posted September 20, 2005 02:40 AM         

55 Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate father and mother cannot be my disciple, and whoever does not hate brothers and sisters, and carry the cross as I do, will not be worthy of me."

I think Jesus didn't say this.

posted September 20, 2005 11:55 AM         

#55: "If it were useful, their father would produce children already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become profitable in every respect."

Circumcision serves 2 purpose:

1. Men loose pleasure during xCourse. There fore its a way of showing that I renounce pleasures for Gods sake.

2. It is hygienic as well. Keeps the foreskin clean. In desert countries where water is scare, and men don't bath often, this may have served its purpose.

Jesus appears and says mind must be over matter hence circumcision in spirit serves a greater purpose. It does not mean the old laws are not useful. We are evolving one step at a time. Its like if you give a laptop to a stoneage man. He will have no idea what to do with it. Slowly the stoneage man has evolved and is experiencing his place in the universe.

#55 : That was a big one that always got me.
I think hate must be substituted with the word 'Rebel'. Parents means attachments. Attatchments to traditions, cultures, old ways of thinking. Jesus asks us to get past such hurdles. If a guy wants to leave home just as Buddha did when he went in search for enlightenment, his parents always refused.
Jesus is encouraging such guys/gals to go and seek till they find what they sought and then rest. Same with brothers and sisters.

Now this does not mean all guys should leave home. In this age, people marry, work, are a part of this world and still find that special space and time when he is alone with God. Everyones vocation is different.

posted September 20, 2005 04:28 PM         

Sue, its from that URL.
I was implying what Jesus meant. I may be wrong. We are just bouncing off ideas too and fro to get the real meaning of what Jesus would have said, than taking for granted the words that may have been filtered over thousand years.

But let me reiterate. The blessing of parents is very important for the children. This is because parents is the childs first Teacher. 'Cursed is the son who angers his mother'. Now I just made that up. He he he ..