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Topic: Jesus' Lost Years?
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Lastchild
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From: Mississippi (catfish don't jump!)
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posted April 10, 2001 09:50 AM
 
Can anyone enlighten me on when and where Jesus had these "lost years"? I did some study on it many (too many) years ago, but I can't remember what the deal was. What does the bible say about his lost years and how long was he gone?I do remember reading a book about Jesus being with the Essenes during the "lost years". Also, the Mormons claim (in the Book of Mormon) that he was one of them and was "lost" somewhere around South America. Where do the Christians think he was? Last IP: Logged |
Marigold
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posted April 10, 2001 01:30 PM
I've also read that he had travelled in India and learnt about the teachings of Buddha...IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted April 10, 2001 05:27 PM
The Bible says nothing about Jesus' lost years, but it is believed that Jesus journeyed to India and other areas of the world to be schooled in all the world's religions. This was a huge gap of time encompassing 18 years.  ------------------
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Randall
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posted April 10, 2001 09:28 PM
Not sure about that last part, Purple. Our historical publishing and documentation is too extensive for that to happen (unless there is a mass destruction on a global scale or technology quits working ala Dark Angel).  ------------------
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Randall
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posted April 10, 2001 09:31 PM
Most Christians think that if it isn't in the Bible it isn't important; they think Jesus was just working as a carpenter during this time.  ------------------
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Lastchild
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posted April 10, 2001 10:09 PM
How unfortunate that no one knows for sure. Of course I am SURE that it was intentionally left out of the Bible. So India and the East is probably true.Has anyone here read Chariots of the Gods yet? Purple may be a lot closer to truth than anyone realizes.  Last  (not knowflake...just flake...  ) IP: Logged |
YIVY
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posted April 10, 2001 10:14 PM
I had heard he also (in his youth) studied in Egypt....I think when the early christians decided to become THE CHURCH...they made great effort to find and 'hide' a lot of the early records...and since they became THE POWER of the early AD years...it wasn't that hard as there were so few book deposits. With the advent of global knowledge we will begin to see some of these early records emerge as it is much harder to hide them now than it has been in the past...of course most will be de-bunked as fakes by THE CHURCH, but in the end THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE and will be heard...  
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gooberlily
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posted April 10, 2001 11:47 PM
I have no clue of where Jesus was during that time, but I have enjoyed reading some of the "extra" books from the Bible and religious stuff like the Dead Sea Scrolls and ...is it the Apocryphal Texts? (pay no attention to this woman talking to herself)...was it?...oh geez, forgot the name...The Book of Moses I think one of them is called...there's reference to that collection of writings in the movie "Stigmata"...I think in those books The Holy Spirit is also referred to as a "She"...well, whatever is in those extra writings The Church isn't too keen on them. I found them personally, very beautiful and showed more of a compassionate side to Jesus...to God as a whole. I always wondered why there is that big gap missing in Jesus' life. I mean, if "they" felt that there was nothing interesting that happened in that period of time, they could have at least made a verse in the Bible hinting to the fact that Jesus was vegging out for a few years. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all tell similar stories, but from different points of view. I'm still P.O.'ed at The Church for stealing all the old Pagan holidays  I don't consider myself Pagan, but I still think it's wrong! IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted April 11, 2001 12:56 PM
Ahh, but Christianity is the biggest Pagan religion around!  ------------------
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Randall
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posted April 11, 2001 01:00 PM
Holidays weren't the only thing the early Catholic church "borrowed" from the Pagans; they also took the marriage ceremony and the use of candles and incense. (Thou shalt not steal.)  ------------------
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Marigold
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posted April 11, 2001 02:34 PM
Precisely, that's what I've always liked in Catholic churches, incense and candles, and chapels in the woods!Yep, there was a concile in the 6th century, where the Church decided to erase Jesus's talks on reincarnation. I've read that Gandhi was quite a nasty fish, well, call it a politician...That he used hunger strikes as emotional/political blackmail. For example he used hunger strike to oppose a law that was going to give a proportional representation in Parliament to the Untouchables, and another time because one of his employees has drunk some TEA, which he had prohibited! And he obliged his pregnant wife to clean the toilets of the communal farm in South Africa. Not fun to live with a "saint"! IP: Logged |
Pegesus
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posted April 11, 2001 02:58 PM
Hi everyone!Gooberlily, I think you are referring to the Book of Thomas that was in the Nag Hamadi(sp???)Library found in Egypt in the early 1920's. I went out a bought a translation of those "extra" books right after I saw the movie "Stigmata." They certainly do paint a totally different version of Jesus and most definately of Mary Magdeline. I too am trying to "wade" through the Dead Sea Scrolls. I much prefer the Nag Hamadi books. IP: Logged |
Marigold
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posted April 11, 2001 04:31 PM
About Chariots of the Gods, I've seen a documentary about that guy who wrote it, Erich Von Daniken? He went to jail something like three years, didn't he? They got him for fraud, because he borrowed some money while publishing his book, and he was going to pay back but he had a very conservative and christian swiss public opinion against him. Not very credible his theories from what they show, these aztec stones supposed to represent characters in astronaut suits were not obvious to say the least. But he seemed a nice chap.IP: Logged |
Ra
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posted April 12, 2001 03:59 AM
Oh, ye of little faith!  Is it so hard to believe that a master once walked the earth, using his abilites to teach and create "miracles?" I am sure that most stories have been fluffed up into near myth, but I also believe that this man did some things that astounded great numbers of people (for back then). I am convinced by the "evidence" from many sources (mostly non-christian eastern texts) that Jesus was a reality. He was prepared for by the Essenes, they provided the channel for his manifestation. He was raised and schooled by this Hebrew sect and in his early teens recieved Egyptian schooling as well. He was initiated into the "mystery school" by Egyptian priests, and "graduated" - he actually laid in the sarcophagus within the Great Pyramid as part of the rites. He later studied in India. The Hindus refered to him as "the Bright One." He was driven out of India because he ministered to the untouchables. These are some of the "stories." Well, anyway, even though I am not a Christian myself, I do believe that Jesus existed, and that he was here doing something important.   IP: Logged |
Lastchild
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posted April 12, 2001 09:53 AM
Marigold,Thanks for that tidbit! didn't know that about him, although I still liked the book and I find it very interesting  Last
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Randall
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posted April 12, 2001 09:57 AM
Although, the great historians of Jesus' day (especially those living in the area) speak nothing of Jesus or of the miracles, and though linking the stories of Hindu lore and other cultures with Jesus is quite a bit of a stretch, my gut still tells me that Ra is correct. I strongly beLIeVE in an alien connection with Egypt, Ra (not our Ra, silly), Isis, Osiris, Jesus, a localized flood (perhaps depicting a migration to Earth on an Ark-like ship), the first alien human cross-breeds in an enclosed environment (Eden) to speed up evolution, and the Essenes. Perhaps, Jesus' role was to bring humanity the aliens' religion of Uni-versal Love by BEing born unto us as One of us (a carbon copy duplicate of His father, Jehovah). "I and the Father are one." The Bible makes a distinction between God (creation), the Holy Spirit (Uni-versal Consciousness), and the Lord (always resembling a man--perhaps the Leader of the alien race). If we were conducting an Eden experiment, we would place a dome enclosure over a large area to keep out the predators (and prehistoric humans) and to control the experiment in an enclosed environment. By the way, there were no other humans on the Earth, yet Cain and Abel traveled to the Land of Nod to take wives. The Bible states in Genesis that a flaming sword guarded the Tree of Life (a laser?) and that the Lord caused it to rain from the ground (sprinkler system?). Now, THAT is kookier than any Mormon or Witness beliefs! But it is just a different slant on things that we might want to think about. ------------------
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Marigold
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posted April 12, 2001 03:02 PM
For Lastchild
Times change, now the Swiss plan a Chariots of the Gods' theme park!IP: Logged |
gooberlily
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posted April 12, 2001 09:52 PM
Great thoughts Randall Pegesus, yes, one of the books is the Book of Thomas, thanks so much for reminding me! The Dead Sea Scrolls do require some effort (at least on my part) to stay awake while reading  I have found the Book of Thomas and other similar related writings much more interesting. IP: Logged |
Pegesus
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posted April 13, 2001 02:17 PM
I have practically tied my brain in knots trying to figure this out for years and I am still no closer to understanding who or what Jesus was. I just feel he was very important to humanity's spiritual development but so were many others. It does seem like he "took a little of this" and a "little of that" and combined it all and made his own religion yet when we try to do the same the very religion named for him condems us.  I have read many many times that reincarnation was removed from the Christian Bible but does anyone know how that statement was proven? Is there a Bible in existance that has more references to it than what we now have? Was it the Council of Trent??? I can't remember but I've read it many times where the Emperor and Empress had it removed. I was hoping to find definate proof of Jesus teaching of reincanation in the Nag Hammadi scrolls but most of it is hard to understand as are the dead sea scrolls. Darn those parables!!! IP: Logged |
gooberlily
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posted April 13, 2001 10:03 PM
That is a really good question Pegesus! I don't know off hand when those certain references were removed from the Bible...the reincarnation thing. If I find a concrete answer, I definitely will post it  IP: Logged |
Pegesus
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posted April 13, 2001 11:34 PM
Thanks Gooberlily (I can't type that without grinning!) IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted April 14, 2001 01:34 AM
I once asked a very Christian world history professor, and she stated clearly that Jesus' disciples and followers for 553 years after the crucificion taught reincarnation. ------------------
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Randall
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posted April 15, 2001 04:47 PM
Jesus born of a virgin? Impossible! Right? There's no way a true virgin can give birth! Right? The Bible states that "The Lord" visits Mary in her tent. She was then taken with child. At the time, this was quite a miracle, but today we would merely call it fertility science. Perhaps, Mary was implanted with the fertilized egg (clone) of Jehovah. ------------------
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Ra
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posted April 17, 2001 04:16 AM
They forgot to remove this one:Matthew 17:10-13 10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall come first, and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. Elias = John the Baptist = reincarnated It is interesting to note that I have presented this verse to "Christians" and they just do not see it. Amazing.
There are bits and pieces of the reincarnation teachings left, but they are hard to recognize due to poor translation. Walk in Peace IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted April 17, 2001 11:42 AM
wOw! Thanks, Ra!  ------------------
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