posted March 27, 2008 12:25 PM         

Tell me what you know from these sources (and any others) about Jesus.

I've heard people lately arguing that he never lived.

I've not had the time to study these things myself (I think ultimately inner truth is most important).

posted March 27, 2008 01:04 PM         

From my sources I have come to know that he did exist. With my new eyes I am cherishing all that is written about him on earth.

posted March 27, 2008 05:26 PM         

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Resources/Texts/dss.html

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posted March 27, 2008 05:32 PM         

I would think that to really get into the subject would need a HUGE, huge study.

I might find a book by someone who has gone through all the sources to see.

posted March 27, 2008 07:37 PM         

You don't have to be another monk. You can be whereever you are and seek. Actually don't seek if you already sought aggressively. The truth is very very simple. The mind makes it complicated.

anyhow , will stop as I will only be giving you beliefs LOL

posted March 28, 2008 06:06 AM         

I would just like to know, to naturally satisfy my curiosity- whether he lived or not, that's all.

posted March 29, 2008 12:10 AM         

"Did Jesus really live?"

What does it matter, at least, alongside the more fruitful values and virtues that the stories written about Him seem to teach? If the questioning of his existence also brings a personal response that begins to question the very lessons that the stories about Him have induced, then therein lies an even greater question that should be asked by one's self and to one's self.

It has been clearly registered, through the process of our simplest experiences, that the existence of something does not always presume a material presence of that same thing. Take thoughts and emotions, for example. Thoughts and emotions are things that we directly experience and are also direct evidences of the immaterial. These products of our human experiences are also evidences of how the immaterial and the material are linked together.

My curiosity, then, wonders about what one is really asking when they question whether or not Jesus really lived. Sure, this question may be asked with nothing more than a simple curiosity. This is not often the case, however. The question of his existence is usually fathered and mothered by an even deeper question that should be brought to light:

"What is the value of a story if it never really happened?"

The crafting of a powerful narrative is a divine thing and can only come from the loftiest of inspirations. Therefore, even if the character of Jesus received no actual human embodiment, one could not deny the actual existence of "Jesus" and its influence upon the collective consciousness. Could this be because of the loftiest of realms from which these stories pour down? Could this, then, prove to us the very existence of the Kingdom of Heaven of which Jesus spoke?

I understand the questioning of the existence of someone whom we've never met. Questioning leads to great innovations and discoveries. Be careful not to weed hastily, though, for there are things beyond our senses' verifications.

Grace be with Us on our paths.

posted March 29, 2008 01:23 AM         

Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.'

And the disciples came, and said unto him, 'Why speakest thou unto them in parables?'

He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, 'By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

But he that receiveth the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

Yet hath he not root in himself but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth of the word, by and by he is offended.

He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

posted March 29, 2008 01:34 AM         

And the bible did introduce the dogma of satan and all that crap.

Seek and explore - research within your being- what is this mind that every one only talks about but no one till today has been able to explain its nature.

The answer is in the treasures of your being.

posted March 29, 2008 10:11 AM         

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What matters this question:

"Did Jesus really live?"

What does it matter, at least, alongside the more fruitful values and virtues that the stories written about Him seem to teach? If the questioning of his existence also brings a personal response that begins to question the very lessons that the stories about Him have induced, then therein lies an even greater question that should be asked by one's self and to one's self.

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Wow, Nosis. Very inspiring posts!

Thank you!

As for the last comments....Now you've got me wondering where the idea of "Satan" first originated!

Do you think the "gods" may have been various group of extra-terrestrials?

Inter-dimensional beings from other world?

posted March 29, 2008 11:08 AM         

Nosis, the bible is collection of books. Mostly from egypt and africa. When I said introduced I meant introduced the fear of satan in hearts of western people to control them. Its still going on.

your version of the bible perhaps is clever as it disguises those words

Please research Wilcock if you can. Take his best teachings and leave the rest.

Anyhow I don't want to go in to literal argument over a book.

out

posted March 29, 2008 12:08 PM         

If you get the opportunity to do so, read The Silmarillion by J.R.R. Tolkien. It's a beautiful book that might help you in your quest.