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lotusheartone
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posted September 03, 2007 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
you know what I think about?

John the Baptist and the Magdalene had a son, and named him John, when His Father was beheaded..the Magdalene was finally able to be with her true LOve Jesus and they raised John..
when John was older, he went to his father's friends and family, and practices..
I believe he wrote Revelation..because John the Baptist and his followers did not agree with Jesus, such as him treating all equal, lepers, prostitutes etc. John turned on Jesus and his MOther..he there put, his stepfather's DOB..it's just what I think..no argument..

LOve and Reverence to ALL. ...

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posted September 03, 2007 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MUSTANG     Edit/Delete Message
There isn't a yod, but there's a kite.

How can you tell he's early in his soul-life?

Fayte: I have to check out those links you posted, but I can't do it right now.

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posted September 03, 2007 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
OK...I may have repeated some things here but here are a few excerpts.

Jupiter in the Third House 3rd hs

You are very curious, and you take a deep interest in a wide variety of subjects. While you are young, you may go through an unusually intense period of asking questions of every adult you meet, but later on you will read and find the answers for yourself. You are most attracted to subjects that explain how much of the universe works, such as science or even literature, if it is philosophically oriented.

Quite frequently this position signifies a great love of travel. And if you cannot actually travel to foreign places, you may enjoy reading about them.

Throughout your life, you will want to be free to make up your own mind. This is not because you are especially stubborn, but your view of the world is quite expansive and tolerant, and you do not want to be limited by other people's narrow prejudices.

Saturn Sextile Ascendant

This aspect suggests that early in life you will develop a more serious temperament than most young people and that you will learn to handle responsibility sooner than most.

Sun in Pisces

You are a very sensitive and emotional person who quickly picks up moods and emotions from other people and makes them part of your own. This trait makes it very easy for others to hurt your feelings. Because you have the ability to put yourself in someone else's place, you have an exceptional understanding of other people's needs. Whenever possible, you try to help others, because it makes you feel good about yourself.

Very often you like to go into your own private fantasy world and think about ideas that mean something only to you. Just don't spend so much time there that you lose track of what is happening outside in the real world.

You may be somewhat shy, because you feel you have to trust people before you can really open up to them. But even though you are shy, you do need other people, for without them you feel lonely, even in your own private world.

Sun Conjunct Mercury

You have a good mind, and you enjoy talking with people. A good conversation means more to you than many other things, but you may have one problem. This aspect indicates that you like to take the active role in any discussion; that is, you are a better talker than a listener. To a certain extent you can't help this, but if you are conscious of it, you can prevent it from becoming a difficult problem.

Your mind may or may not be fast, but it is working constantly. You have a great need to express your opinions, and you can't stand it when people don't take your ideas seriously.

Sometimes this aspect means that you have a lot of ability to work with your hands. Certainly such activities as building things or working with gadgets are good for you as a way to release nervous energy that would otherwise build up.

Sun Trine Moon

You have the feeling that you can approach any difficulty in life with complete strength and unity of purpose. Your habits and unconscious feelings will work for your intentions rather than against them. You have an easy approach to life, making it unnecessary to strain yourself in anything you do. You have an ability to flow with events without offering much resistance.

Whenever you have to deal with serious tensions in your life, you can devote all your energy to resolving them without having to worry about fighting battles with yourself.

Uranus in the First House 1st hs

A very unconventional and restless person, you have a great need for freedom to do things your own way, which is seldom anyone else's way. You are inclined to be rebellious, wanting to do the opposite of what anyone tells you to do, although not in a mean way.

On the positive side, this placement can make you a very creative and innovative person who is always the first to come up with new ideas.

Negatively, this placement can make you an erratic, unpredictable and unreliable person whom no one can count on for anything, because you always do just what you want. If you learn to use this drive creatively, you can be a powerful force for change in your world, rather than someone who irritates everyone without bringing about change.

Uranus in Pisces

This generation has very high ideals, but they are not particularly concerned with the here and now. They formulate their goals in more abstract and spiritual terms, as ideals to be brought about in the soul of society rather than in individual members. Religious and mystical ideals may be rather important to these children, but they run the risk of being impractical dreamers and ineffective idealists. They have to be taught how to deal with the real world, because like it or not, that is where they live.

Moon Trine Uranus

You need a great deal of freedom, and you insist on your right to do things in your own way. Probably you will be attracted most strongly to people who are quite unusual. You are not actively rebellious yourself, and others may even think you are quite conventional, but inside you are very much an individual.

Even though you may move often in your life, you will soon feel at home wherever you are.

This aspect gives you the ability to tolerate and respect offbeat people and unusual situations, even when you aren't personally attracted to them. You will work hard to achieve the sense that you are a unique person, so you are willing to respect other people's uniqueness.

Mars Trine Uranus

You are likely to be very independent, and you need to be given great freedom to determine your own destiny. You will decide very early in life that you must be yourself at all costs. You will be able to get where you want to go in your own way, and usually you know when to back down in the face of resistance from others without losing very much.

You are likely to be a leader, not because you want power, but because you are able to see ways of doing things that others do not see until you show them. Others will follow your lead although you, personally, do not care whether or not anyone follows you.

Other people will like you for your daring, although they may sometimes question your good sense. They will discover that in the long run you are often right, even though no one else could see it at the time.

Uranus Trine Midheaven

You do not like to be tied to possessions that you must take care of. This means that eventually you will prefer to have as few possessions as possible so that you can go wherever you want without any worries. Very early in life you will decide that you have to follow a path that is uniquely your own and does not follow anyone else's ideas about what is good for you. You want to break new ground, but in order to get there you won't have to battle others.

Uranus Trine Neptune

This aspect signifies a generation that was willing to experiment with consciousness, in ways that other generations have found rather frightening, but the result has been a rebirth of concern with spiritual matters and human consciousness. This generation challenged the materialistic premises of the older culture and did more to generate the new age of consciousness than any other group. However, there has been a problem in putting these realizations to work at a practical level.

Mars in the Ninth House 9th hs

You are strongly attached to your own point of view, and if challenged, you will fight very hard for your opinions. You are much more likely to fight for an ideal than for yourself. On one hand, you can be quite self-righteous and narrowly fanatical about your beliefs, but you can also be courageous in defending the rights of those who are downtrodden.

You don't get involved just at the mental level; you act on your beliefs. Try not to get so wrapped up in your own views that you won't even consider someone else's.

As you get older, you may want to travel around and see quite a bit of the world, which would be a good experience for you.

Mars in Scorpio

You have a strong will, and you let everyone know what you want. But you do not seem especially pushy, just persistent. If someone makes you angry, instead of blowing up right off, you go into a slow burn. People know you are upset, however, because you are likely to make sarcastic and biting remarks.

But also the intensity of your anger, even though it is held in, may be rather frightening to others whose emotions are not as strong as yours.

If necessary, you are a fighter, although you don't look for fights. But when you get into it, you fight with body and soul.

You relate to the world around you very emotionally, and there is very little to which you do not react.

Moon Trine Mars

You have a very great need to be yourself and to express your emotions exactly as you feel them without holding anything back. You are honest about your feelings, and you don't keep people in the dark about your reactions to anything. Actually this honesty will make people respect you, because they know that in this way they can trust you.

You will also be known as someone who fights for the people and ideas you believe in. Whenever you believe in something or someone, you make it part of your inner self and defend it as you would defend yourself. And you certainly stand up for your own interests.

You are attracted to people who are as strong willed as you are, but you must make sure that your will and your friend's are similar. Otherwise there will be considerable conflict between you.

Neptune in the Ninth House 9th hs

You are an idealist and dreamer who looks beyond your everyday world for topics to think and dream about. The normal world that we all live in seems to you a rather dull, uninteresting place. You always look for the hidden aspects of your world, the movements going on behind the scenes and the events that do not quite fit in with ordinary views of the world.

A serious problem that may arise with this placement is that you may be quite impractical. Your head may be so far up in the clouds that you cannot come to grips with the real world down here. This position indicates faith, in all its good and bad meanings.

A compassionate person, you have a feeling of kinship to all life, which you probably express by being kind to other people and to animals.

Neptune in Scorpio

This generation may be characterized by a love of the mysterious and strange. As these children grow older, the current interest in the occult and other such areas will probably continue, but with a rather different cast. There is a great danger that they will use these energies to gain power over others, which could create very dangerous psychological forces. On the other hand, there will also be more concern with individual regeneration. These people should become even more concerned with techniques of healing, both psychological and physical. They will have extreme ideas about personal morality, either extremely lax or extremely strict, but not usually moderate.

Jupiter Opposition Neptune

This can be a positive aspect, in that you have high ideals of a better world for yourself and for others, but you are sometimes foolish in believing that everything and everyone is much better than they really are. You demand that the people who are close to you live up to very high standards, but you must learn to accept their limitations.

Sometimes you are much too trusting, especially of people who propose that you join in wild and impossible schemes. If you are not careful, you are very likely to be swindled. You shouldn't get into the habit of trusting those who are not worthy of it and distrusting those who really can be trusted.

However, if you take suitable precautions and use your reason as well as your instincts in making decisions, you can take some realistic chances that will bring you opportunities that others would overlook. With your basic optimism, tempered with realism, you will have a very happy and rewarding life.

Neptune Square Ascendant

You must learn to be very straightforward and honest in all your contacts with other people. Even harmless pretense is likely to lead to real misunderstandings and difficulties with others. Your actions are so easily misinterpreted that any willful act of this type will cause serious trouble. Similarly you may misunderstand your friends. You are very sensitive to unconscious messages from everyone you meet, because you perceive feelings and emotions that everyone has that are not usually perceived.

Pluto in the Seventh House 7th hs

Encounters with others will play a significant role in your life. You will attract people who seem very strong willed and powerful, who may try to change your life. Learn to judge yourself independently of what others say. Of course, this placement can be a sign that you try to change everyone you meet. In that case you would have to learn to leave others alone.

Pluto in the Eighth House 8th hs

Your life goes through periods of very intense and deep change. You are always aware of something inside you pushing you to grow and become different from what you were. You are not afraid of these changes, because they seem quite logical, a natural process within you.

You may express your interests as a great love of investigating, immediately looking for the answers to any question that intrigues you. However, you don't mind spending a great deal of time and energy to find the answers. But this is more than casual curiosity, it is a deep psychological drive within you.

Mercury Opposition Pluto

You may have a hard time getting people to agree with you about the ideas that you hold to be important. Others may seem to you to put your ideas down, threatening your ability to be what you want.

The problem is that even while you are young, your opinions and ideas bring about conflicts with others. This may happen because of the way that you express yourself, or perhaps you are attracted to people who are unpleasantly forceful, although you like them.

At times in your life your mind gets so intensely involved in some idea or belief that you become quite obsessed with it, which others find upsetting.

Moon Sextile Pluto

Your feelings are very strong, and you are quite sensitive to other people's feelings as well. You get quite involved in your emotions, playing out dramas in your head in which you are the villain, the hero or whatever role you prefer. You love mysteries and may spend hours reading stories of mystery or the supernatural.

As you get older you will understand human nature better than most people, and even while you are young, your understanding is quite remarkable. But be careful how you use your knowledge of people, because you may tend to get others to do what you want through what you know about them.

Mars Sextile Pluto

You have a great deal of energy, but you express it in subtle ways, through endurance, persistence and stubbornness. You may not always move quickly, but once you start, it is very hard to stop you or change your direction. You have a great need to be in control of your life and to set your own course. Gradually you will decide on your life objectives, and you will begin to learn and do whatever is necessary to achieve them.

Your determined attitude has many positive results. If you are convinced that a project is worth doing, you will do it completely. You get into every activity so deeply that sometimes you seem to be compulsive.

Moon in Cancer

Because Cancer is the sign most closely connected with the Moon, you can be very strong and secure emotionally.

Being close to your mother is especially important, and you need a lot of love and affection from her as well as from others in your family. When you're older, you'll be very good at giving the same kind of support to others and taking care of people in need.

Feelings are more important to you than logical thinking, which seems cold or boring.

You are easily hurt by criticism. It's not that you are weak or fragile, but that you are unusually sensitive to other people's feelings.

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Everything changes.
Fear not the changes.
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NAM
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posted September 03, 2007 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
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There isn't a yod, but there's a kite.
How can you tell he's early in his soul-life?


I don't know what a Kite is, and I thought the yod was that one with the "y" shape LOL
Shoot! i guess I am not really learning my lessons... LOL

I should keep quiet but this is the only way I can learn , by asking...
*sorry!

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Mannu
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posted September 03, 2007 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message
hi fayte, excellent insight.

First of all Abraham would have never been married to Sarah by jewish custom if she was really his half sister. Am i missing something obvious?

Secondly not sure why Abraham had to lie 2 times to the king. Was it due economical pressure? The jews were brought from egypt right? Each reader can draw their own conclusions after a thorough reading.

Appears that you are against the god of the old testament? Jesus used to say I didn't come here to oppose the laws but to fulfill it.


I am not saying the bible is perfect. it is divine words filtered thru men. Perhaps theres a lack of qualified man/woman who can transform word by word the divine laws dictated to him. Abraham's son Isaac is also accused of sporting with his sister? So many repetitions -- what is the truth?

It has to be a divine person himself who has to write the more than 100 commandments in the bible. I am not sure who wrote the bible. Was moses really spiritually superior to have written the laws. The bible says there was thunder and lighting when God gave the ten commandements to Moses. Is it just a symbolic language that compels us to think how much can we sustain Gods energy when he directs it to us?

In the hindus beliefs the Mahabharata has been written by Lord Ganesh. Volumes and Volumes of pages written many thousand year old. I think written by sage Vyas and heard and written as is by Ganesh. One can take any volume and the language and style of writing is the same suggesting its indeed the same author.

Science has shown that the bible is not such a book. hence I too would say as Paul does "treat them as references"
Did he also mean do not take them literally.

Rules are conveniences nothing else. Do not hurt urself if u broke the rules. God is patient and ever forgiving. Forgive urself in the true light.

Love to all......

Abraham and Sarah were blessed to be great great grandparents of many here on earth. I still maintain they are the most blessed couple in the bible.

Nam, I think Abraham did marry Sarah's concubines(Slaves) to produce babies.

I think my advice for all is discuss Bible in a group...get the Rabbi involved. Its their book after all. There are subtle inputs that they provide based on culture , language etc..... without which our knowledge will never be complete i.e we can never find what we sought a manmade knowledge...


nuff of bible...i read it once...and don't wanna read again...don't wanna throw mud on it either because of what i posted above regarding contacting a Rabbi.... not even a catholic priest..... A catholic priest is good only for the new testament in my mind...sorry its just my opinion....


Sometimes I wonder if it is right for illegal immigrants to be part of America?
Nature gives freely to everyone. Its we humans who create territory and boundaries.
Are we animals still, to mark territories?
A lion leaves his pi-- behind for other male lions to back off his territory. The amazon people had a prophecy of white men entering their country signifying end of an era. Who controls our dreams really? Have you thought about it too? Love to all.

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posted September 03, 2007 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
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Sometimes I wonder is it right for illegal immigrants to be part of America?


I don't think is right to break the law, with that said, sometimes I wonder if it is right for man to create walls between us, when are we going to learn to live together as one world? or am I out of my mind?

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Dulce Luna
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posted September 04, 2007 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
Firstly, I recall Abraham being a Bedouin and not a Jew. The Jews (or really the Hebrews) started with Jacob and his 12 sons.

Anywho....

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Can anyone point me to a place in the bible where this is truely apparent and shows man and women coming together as a unity and not women used as a reproductive machine?

Probably not considering the time and the culture. Because back then, marrying for love was not a common thing, nor was an equal relationship between the two genders....it just was not customary. Maybe if the bible had been written today it would be different??*shrugs*

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posted September 04, 2007 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
yes, the bible reflects a different time and culture, but a large majority of people still consider its attitude towards women and their relationships with men appropriate and necessary for guidance in modern life.

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posted September 04, 2007 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
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yes, the bible reflects a different time and culture, but a large majority of people still consider its attitude towards women and their relationships with men appropriate and necessary for guidance in modern life

How so? will you care to explain?

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Dulce Luna
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posted September 04, 2007 06:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
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yes, the bible reflects a different time and culture, but a large majority of people still consider its attitude towards women and their relationships with men appropriate and necessary for guidance in modern life.

Yeah and if so, what's your point? My statement was only to answer the question NAM asked, not to go into male-female relations today.

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posted September 04, 2007 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sesame     Edit/Delete Message
NAM, have you read the Conversation With God books? They answered a lot of the questions you raised to me, but of course, like the bible, it was written by a person (well, the bible was several but I don't like saying Man, or Human as these are both one-sided).

As for unity in the bible. It's interesting that you brought this up, for I believe it was blasphemous in a sense to consider anything to be unified in the bible. This is a pagan concept. The bible is all about segregating - we are separate from God, Jesus, tribes, languages, etc. In this day and age there is no real separation from anything - you could say we're in for another tower of babel anecdote, but see, we have babel fish to help interpret most languages around the world. We also have electronic translators nowadays, so communication is rife! My issue with the bible is that it was tampered due to agendas, etc. Take what you can understand, but there is still a lot to learn about that publication. Just recently, there was a doco explaining recent proof that Jesus was married to Mariamne (Magdalene) and was the son of Joseph and Maria, Father of Judas, brother of James and Josep, (and three others were mentioned from the bible) and I think two sisters. Some of these people were all found in the same tomb which had the markings of Jesus. There was a lot of evidence anyhow, and it raises a LOT of questions, but I love how this is bringing the whole story back to Earth and hence is making it more accessible to people. Of course, once the tomb was re-opened, it was immediately ordered to be closed again which adds back to the frustration of this closed-minded world. Anyhow, all in good time. I'm ecstatic enough about the revelations they revealed and that they know where the tomb is for now. Hopefully more will come in the near future (they found more scrolls down there but couldn't retrieve them.

Heaps of Love,
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posted September 04, 2007 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
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yes, the bible reflects a different time and culture, but a large majority of people still consider its attitude towards women and their relationships with men appropriate and necessary for guidance in modern life
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How so? will you care to explain?


a cursory look at most modern christian fundamental religions is illustrative of this...in my experience anyway.

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posted September 04, 2007 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
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Yeah and if so, what's your point? My statement was only to answer the question NAM asked, not to go into male-female relations today.


it appears that i've offended you in some way. if so, my sincere apologies. as this discussion is about the bible, i made a comment related to yours, that's releveant to me. if you'd rather not discuss it further with me, that's all well and good.

again, i am sorry that my words caused discomfort or offense.

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posted September 04, 2007 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
Arrrrghhh, don't worry Naiad, there is no reason to apologize, it should be me apologizing I don't even know why I got so touchy this morning looking back on the whole statement again; I seem to have been overreacting alot over the past few days. I guess its a sign that I need to step back and take 5 (or maybe a couple days)

I'm sorry.

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posted September 04, 2007 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
UHHHH Dulce Luna!!!

Takes quite the Women to stand back and reflect this way!!! Good for You!!!

Thats wonderful that you see it this way!!!

Truly Healing & Growing S-ELF Reflections!!!

Bless You!!!

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posted September 04, 2007 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
I like what you said in your post sesame!!!!

Thanks!!!

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posted September 04, 2007 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solane Star     Edit/Delete Message
For the Two of You's!!!

naiad & Dulce Luna!!!!


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posted September 04, 2007 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
thanks Dulce Luna, that was sweet.

i think that the bible was written in a time when men were more barbaric than we can possibly imagine these days. it was god speaking to men's hearts in those days, relevant to their mode of living.

there is much wisdom in the bible, but much that does not have the same meaning for us as it did in ancient times. it can still speak to our hearts though, if we let it.

also, there was much that was edited, changed and mistranslated in the bible, for political reasons as well as others. so much of it seems cryptic to us, for these reasons, as well as the difference in era. and so much has come to light, in the apocrypha and other gospels.....

when some modernists in the last century touted the phrase "god is dead," i don't think they meant that literally. i think they meant that, as we see and live life differently, with different ethics and standards than the ancients, there comes a time for a new way of perceiving our spirituality. Jesus was a herald of this. that's the reason his legacy is still so prevalent, even when we disagree with some of the material in the bible, and esp the new testament.

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posted September 04, 2007 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks to all who replied in here, I love this place and I love to be able to talk to people about things that really matter, issues from the heart as well as who we are , where we come from and what moves us.
it is amazing how different we really are even know we are all the same.
I hope to keep learning with all of you.
it looks like a long path to me, you guys are sooooo advance, this is what I get for putting myself to sleep for years by concentrating only on what my ex wanted and also making money, a linear life can be very traumatic when it ends, it is time to find myself.


Sesame~ that book was suggested to me in another thread , I stil haven't had the time or money to go get it but I will.
thank you.

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posted September 04, 2007 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Naiad and Solane


On the subject: Can I just say that I hate that there was so much left out of the New Testament? Probably just me, but some of the stories they left out (Gnostic ones) were very interesting ones. I dunno, there's always been like this big chunk of Christ's life missing from infancy to age 33 and I never understood why.

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