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Topic: The Real "Our Father" in Aramaic
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La-Tee-Da
Knowflake Posts: 1445
From: New Orleans, Louisiana
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted September 26, 2002 06:09 AM
 
 Oh My Goodness.....I sent the prayer to all my email buddies and one of them just blasted me!!!!!! He claims to be an ex-seminary student and he was offended!!! How can that be? I thought it was beautiful!! He said I was making false claims!!! Holy Smokes!! I feel like someone slapped my knuckles with a ruler!!!!  What do you guys think? Sounds weird to me!! ------------------
Hugs,LTD ~~The struggle keeps us young~~Daring to make mistakes and knowing there are none.~~DGM IP: Logged |
jackiep
Knowflake Posts: 312
From: Rio de janeiro, Brazil
Registered: May 2002
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posted September 26, 2002 08:28 PM
Dear La-Tee-Da,
Like you said, you send this prayer for all your friends and just one of them felt offended.
"Prayers don't offend people, people offend people."
And this,of course, was not your intention, therefore , there's no problem. To people like this, when appears something that can unbalance their " faith " they feel insecure.
I put this prayer in "Uni-versal" Codes exactly because "Our Father" for me is a universal prayer, no matter what religion we have. But this is my point of view. I received this prayer from a very dear Catholic friend .
Then I ask: Which one is the real Our Father ?
The one that we all know or this ?
If Jesus was among us now ,do you think for him would be any difference ?
I am sure that he would give His blessing to the two versions.
"Believe in the unbelieveable, this is faith!" Jackie IP: Logged |
taj
Knowflake Posts: 530
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Registered: Aug 2002
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posted September 27, 2002 02:44 AM
thanks very much for sharing, jackie. 
can't wait to send that to a friend. he'd be so delighted with it.  there was never any doubt that the Lord's Prayer is a universal one. Blessings!
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jackiep
Knowflake Posts: 312
From: Rio de janeiro, Brazil
Registered: May 2002
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posted September 27, 2002 04:25 PM
Thanks taj 
I'm glad that you liked !
Jackie
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Jaqueline
Knowflake Posts: 1231
From: Rio de Janeiro , Brazil
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted December 07, 2002 07:21 PM
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theFajita
Knowflake Posts: 2007
From: Boca Raton, FL USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted December 07, 2002 10:03 PM
HEy! I loved this! Do you guys remember when I told you about that thing that happened at my job because I forwarded this in an email the wrong woman? Well now she is friends with me, and we talk all the time. And she felt really bad about contacting my HR dept. Yea- I feel bad she did that too! LOL------------------
Food is the only art that nourishes! IP: Logged |
Aselzion
Moderator Posts: 1433
From: North Andover, MA
Registered: Nov 2002
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posted December 07, 2002 11:01 PM
the Fajita:See... God has a purpose for everything! And a great (if occasionally twisted) sense of humor! Everything happens for a reason, even if we are unable to perceive it at the time. Blessed Be... IP: Logged |
Jaqueline
Knowflake Posts: 1231
From: Rio de Janeiro , Brazil
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted December 07, 2002 11:06 PM
Fajita
When I reread this topic today I remembered when we met in Love revolution... my old incarnation in Lindaland... jakiep... it seems that that happened many years ago. IP: Logged |
silverbells
Knowflake Posts: 1510
From: The second star to the right (which shines in the night for'eer)
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted July 21, 2004 01:14 PM
To the top cause when I get some ink for my printer I would like to be able to find this to print it out. Thank you jackiep wherever you are now.------------------
Get some love in your groove, just get hip to forgive... - Michael Franks IP: Logged |
dafremen
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posted July 22, 2004 09:06 PM
This was one of the most BEAUTIFUL prayers I've read. Thank you so much for sharing dear!La-Tee-Da...if you give love and receive something different in return, don't blame the sender. When light falls upon shadow, the ground remains cold for a little while. You keep on shining, love. daf IP: Logged |
Kelly5
Knowflake Posts: 4
From: Edmonton, AB, Canada
Registered: Sep 2003
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posted July 22, 2004 10:26 PM
Hello:
The prayer is beautiful. I feel full of light when I think about it. Thanks for posting it.
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juniperb
Knowflake Posts: 6852
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted July 22, 2004 10:45 PM
Welcome Kelly5  It was a joy to read this again. You can feel the divinely inspired love in the prayer. juniperb  ------------------
If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
maklhouf
Knowflake Posts: 1404
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Registered: Nov 2003
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posted July 23, 2004 12:30 PM
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silverbells
Knowflake Posts: 1510
From: The second star to the right (which shines in the night for'eer)
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted July 27, 2004 12:34 PM
I see so much gold and white when I read this.------------------
Get some love in your groove, just get hip to forgive... - Michael Franks IP: Logged |
sesame
Moderator Posts: 1587
From: Oz
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted September 07, 2004 03:15 AM
*bump* this almost fell off the first page...Dean. IP: Logged |
juniperb
Knowflake Posts: 6852
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted September 07, 2004 07:00 PM
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If having a soul means being able to feel love and loyalty and gratitude, then animals are better off than a lot of humans. ~James Herriot IP: Logged |
mike
Knowflake Posts: 10
From: uk
Registered: Aug 2004
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posted September 16, 2004 11:05 AM
Thanks jackiep ive been looking for a decent translation of this prayer   ------------------
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you kill a man in my name
when all i teach is not to mame. --unknown-- lots of love and friendship mike IP: Logged |
iAmThat
Knowflake Posts: 1255
From: third rock from the Sun
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted September 22, 2004 10:56 PM
Jackiep, I really want to take my time and praise you for doing this work. I am not sure about the validity of the source, but who cares, if its good and does not harm you, it must be ok  IP: Logged |
Sheaa Olein
Knowflake Posts: 2864
From: London
Registered: Jul 2004
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posted September 23, 2004 06:02 AM
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Hedgewitch
Knowflake Posts: 380
From:
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted July 16, 2005 01:56 AM
what a delightful thread...IP: Logged |
Jaqueline
Knowflake Posts: 1231
From: Rio de Janeiro , Brazil
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted August 07, 2005 11:10 PM
Sometimes I feel that I posted this in another life...
So many things happened in my life since this post when I 'was' jackiep...
I wish I could pray again with that intensity......IP: Logged |
Aen
Knowflake Posts: 730
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Registered: Nov 2002
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posted August 09, 2005 02:34 AM
Hi Jaqueline,You souned sad. What has happened? ------------------
No hesitation. No regret. No looking back. IP: Logged |
Kat
Knowflake Posts: 965
From: Cleveland, Ohio
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted August 10, 2005 06:25 PM
Here's another interpretation "Our Father: from Aramaic.O Birther! Father-Mother of the Cosmos,
Focus your light within us - make it useful:
Create you reign of unity now-
Your one desire then acts with ours,
as in all light, so in all forms.
Grant what we need each day in bread and insight.
Loose the cords of mistakes binding us,
as we release the strands we hold of others' guilt.
Don't let surface things delude us,
But free us from what holds us back.
From you is born all ruling will,
the power and life to do,
the song that beautifies all,
from age to age it renews.
Truly - power to these statements -
may they be the ground from which all my actions grow: Amen Abwoon d'bwashmaya
Nethqadash shmakh
Teytey malkuthakh
Neywey tzevyanach aykanna d'bwashmaya aph b'arha.
Hawvlan lachma d'sunqanan yaomana.
Washboqlan khaubayn (wakhathayn)
aykana daph khnan shbwoqan l'khayyabayn.
Wela tahlan l'nesyuna
Ela patzan min bisha.
Metol dilakhie malkutha wahayla wateshbukhta l'ahlam almin.
Ameyn. From Prayers of the Cosmos,
meditations on the aramic words of Jesus
Translated and with commentary by Neil Douglas-Klotz For those of you wondering why the different version, it's because Aramaic is according to this author not literal and exacting. One aramaic word could have possibly six different meanings. The language can express many layers of meanings. Does anyone else realize the implications of this? There is no literal exact interpretation of Jesus' words. His words must be intuited and felt. Someone decided which version we should hear! La Te Da - Send the info for this bok to your angry friend and see if the seed takes hold> IP: Logged |
maklhouf
Knowflake Posts: 1404
From:
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted August 11, 2005 05:00 AM
Thank you Kat
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I wish I could pray again with that intensity......
I know that feeling JP, I found that the intense prayerful state of mind was a big hindrance to getting on with daily affairs thoIP: Logged |
leoelf
Knowflake Posts: 574
From: In My Head
Registered: May 2005
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posted August 13, 2005 01:30 PM
Beautiful prayer, thank you for bumping IP: Logged |
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