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posted May 04, 2005 03:52 PM         

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I have this really wierd question....Who is the real God?

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posted May 04, 2005 05:34 PM         

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George Burns? As well as everyone else on the planet/in the planet.

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posted May 04, 2005 08:56 PM         

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yes.......George Burns!

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posted May 05, 2005 01:19 PM         

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God is LOVE! The source of your being...the source of peace, joy, faith....God is accessible 24/7!!! God is good. God is my best friend and never leaves me. I feel that all you need to do is sit in silence...be calm....and still....and God will reveal himself to you. I believe in Goddess too....I've done the Goddess thing....but I was a fatherless child and have found great comfort in Father God.

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posted May 05, 2005 07:53 PM         

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I belevie you, but I'm trying to make a choice here.
I want to know whether there are any prophesies fulfilled by every holy book from each religion.
I am confused.

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posted May 05, 2005 11:20 PM         

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Nev! I am not clear as to what you are seeking. Is it God, prophesies,or....what?
I will try to help, but I do not want to go on and on, babbling away about theological perspectives and comparitive religious dogmatic beliefs; at least not without a clearer veiw of what it is you want to know about. Are you/have you practicing any type of organized religion? Or are you a seeker going it on your own? Also, please, if you do not mind telling; how old are you? You do
not need to tell, but it does help me better understand the frame from which your questions spring.

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posted May 06, 2005 04:01 PM         

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HI,
I am a christian and I was researching about my own religion. There was one holy guy in my college who was telling me that the end of times is near . WHen I asked him how, he said that that was wht the bible said. He says that the bible shows many prophesies fullfilled and that the world is going to end. He claims the earth to be only 6000 years when scientists have proved it to be longer than that. I am an 18 year old male and I was thinking of turning to a new religion which combines everything. That is why I wanted to know this. I want to know if christianity is the ultimate religion or not.

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posted May 06, 2005 05:07 PM         

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To me, deity and religion are two seperate issues. You don't really need religion to find the supreme being...if any particular path resonates with you....you can draw on its teachings. I've traveled different spiritual paths.
People have been saying the end of the world is drawing near for a long time. When someone focuses on that I see them as a doomsday prophet. I believe your inner spirit will lead you in truth and understanding.

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posted May 06, 2005 10:20 PM         

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Nev...others may very well disagree with my reply to your question.
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"That is why I wanted to know this. I want to know if christianity is the ultimate religion or not."

I do NOT believe in organized religion. They all serve to bind ones beliefs into each their own ultimately inflexible structures. How can one grow and find their own path, their own experience of spirituality if they are bound by the mission statement, rules, and restrictions of organized religion? More wars(actually all I think) have been fought because of religion, or it is at the core of them. Religion by its very nature creates separation of the humans on this planet, intolerance and bigotry. There is a very big difference between religion and walking our spiritual paths! As for the Christian faith. While there is much good in the Bible(which one? There are many versions, all very different, so when people talk about the Bible, they err, for there is not one, defintive version of the Holy Bible out there) there are also such horrors and atrocities, and contradictions and more within the so called "good book", that it amazes me that that more people are not aware of this. Too many people polish, and pick, usually the nice bits, and that's what people are usually taught. Especially in Sunday school. But they deny or ignore the parts that are just plain nasty make no sense to be in a holy book, and just downright creepy parts. So is Christianity the ultimate religion? Look around!!! for every kindness being done in its name, more atrocities and war are being perpetuated by it as was done in the past! This is NOT what Yeshua{who most, erringly refer to as Jesus) taught! If I have offended you, I am sorry, but I have very good reasons for my attitude.
I can also back up what I say.

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posted May 08, 2005 03:14 PM         

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Fayte , I dont mind if u say anything about christianity...because it does not affect me. I am an open listener and I am not stubborn. I heard about this "true" story about a christian person who claimed to die and he actually saw a white fighre (probabley Jesus) who gave him life again. Another person also had a similar event when he died and went to hell where he cried out for help, and a thunderous voice (as described) saved him and gave his life back. When I hear these things .. I am confused and I dont know what to beleveive.

I hope I reach a standstill

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posted May 08, 2005 03:36 PM         

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Nev! My husbands mother is visiting at the moment, I will get back to you asap!
Fayte

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posted May 09, 2005 02:30 AM         

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Hi Nev,

Wasn't it U2 that sang "I still haven't found what I was looking for"
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Theres so many dimensions to God. Its time someone expounds on those multi-dimensions. What I have seen so far is only possibilities or Ideas or even peoples Ideals. I really wish there was a school out there that I would hear/read about and get drawn to it like a magnet

I have experienced God in my life. They were subtle experiences. I haven't reached a certitude? Is it possible for UFOs and God to co-exist? What is the commonality in the ascension of Yeshua to heaven in the middle east and the ascension of a Indian saint(St Tukaram) in the west corner of India in an UFO? These are one of several events and if they have indeed occurred, they would give us clue to God?

Or is it that the kingdom of heaven is infact the kingdom of consciousness and its king is Christ? Since most agree that God is one and in All, then this implies that we are all in one body of Christ.

We are so close to understanding ourselves better including our neighbors and surrounding? But the more we are, the more illusive the answer seems.

Should we indeed be childlike as Yeshua pointed out and leap beyond our faith to experience the divine one within us (i.e in our childlike innocence)? Shouldn't we really rest our mind, forget about time and be absorbed in the one consciousness? Oh meditation why do you evade me?

Why do we observe that of all kids, the cancerians are more attached to their Moms. In the same note, why do we observe that Leos demeanor seem to indicate that they consider themselves to be the center of the universe?

Are we all pawns in the mighty hands of God and Godess?

Well I would stop now and retire to bed? In my opinion, these questions and their responses will lead one to absolute truth. Sooner or later.

Peace be upon you.

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posted May 09, 2005 12:11 PM         

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Nev!!!!!! Did you get my e-mail address from Randall yet????? Please let me know if you didn't ok?
PS. Don't give it to anyone please. Thanks!

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posted May 09, 2005 04:01 PM         

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Hi Fayte,
I havent received your email adress yet. I think he is busy, I think he will reply soon.

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Nev

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posted May 10, 2005 11:28 AM         

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Nev! He sent it! Talk to you later!

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posted May 10, 2005 03:30 PM         

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Fayte,
I didnt get the mail from Randall...so this is my alternate email id. I just created.

nps2365@yahoo.com

Thanx
Nev

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posted May 10, 2005 04:55 PM         

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Nev...I will ask Randall where/who it sent my address to. He e-mailed me and said it was to you. HHHHMMMM> I'll e-mail you to the one you just gave if I don't hear from him soon as to what happened. I'm trying yours right now!

OK...Did you get it now???

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posted May 10, 2005 08:22 PM         

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Sorry Fayte,
That was the wrong adress!
This is the real one:
nev2365@yahoo.com

Sorry again
Nev

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posted May 10, 2005 10:02 PM         

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I wondered about god too. I don't know, see, ever since my grandfather died, I stopped believeing in any one religion. I never was religious, see? But I could have easily been persuaded, or sought, to be. But well, I guess my reasoning's not right, but I don't believe there's any ONE religion, or ONE god. I think god is love, but it is more then that. Like...god is the SOURCE...awhile ago, I read that the god god were actually aliens, or higher intelligences. But the main, one huge god, the higher god of all, i think it is some type of cosmic energy...and eh...I'm confused now. damn. Hey, once you find out, would you mind telling me? lol...

either way, one thing i'm pretty sure, the structured religion, such as christianity, islamic, judasim (sorry, can't spell) are not the real religion. There's been too many wars and heartsick with these for it to be the right one.

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posted May 10, 2005 10:36 PM         

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You see , that is what throws me off. I have seen real videos of people getting healed on the spot in christian churches. But I havent heard of any healings done by other faiths.....see that is what gets me confused on what to beleive.
But I do beleive that love is a part of God.

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I don't believe any religion has a monopoly on healing. Some people get healed by going through the medical community. Wiccans believe in healing and many people of different faiths have experienced spiritual and/or miraculous healing.
But the Charismatic Christianity has been a powerful force for faith in the healing power of God and Christ. There are numerous documented accounts of instant healing and miraculous healing.
I can't conform myself totally to mainstream Christianity....but I have had a relationship with Jesus....and I believe that he can and does heal...whether you are a church-goer or not. I'm not a church-goer. Jesus appeared to me in the mid 80's and I experienced contact from him even when I was practicing Wicca. I felt there was no judgment from him. So, according to my experience....you can have a relationship with God through and with Jesus without being conformed to the doctrinal emphasis of mainstream Christianity. Because Astrology has been a part of my life since I was 13. I have contact with spirit guides and I am a trained medium. My point is that you don't have to back yourself into a corner with your belief system. It's my belief that God will be with you in your search for truth. And I know that people have died and have come back to life and have experienced....some heaven...and some...what seemed to be hell. There are so many interpretations of the Bible and people will make of it what they will...but the teachings of Jesus....are sound.
As far as wars....war has been a fact of life...and yes, many wars have been fought in the name of God and over religious disputes. But Hitler was into the occult, so they say, and look at his atrocities. It's not religion...it's the use of power and human nature. Religion and spirituality are meant to help us to live by the power of our spiritual nature and not totally by instincts. But we have freedom of religion...our government grants us that...I think God would too. We have free will, I believe. And much more good has been done in the name of Christianity than evil. The hungry are fed, medical care is provided by Christian charities, there is help for the poor. They go into 3rd World countries and help those that have no help.

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posted May 12, 2005 03:21 PM         

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That was very interesting!
Did you actually see Jesus?...What did he tell you?
But I get your point...thanks

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posted May 12, 2005 07:28 PM         

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Hello Nev,

This place was recommended to me by a friend of a friend, noting this thread. I am a Qadiri Sufi student.

Like you , I came to this question. Religions seemed judgmental and narrow. After much searching, I found sufism. For me it offered a way to understand the world and religion and God. It allows that individuals are unique and offered me a way to approach the divine in my own way. Try looking a some Rumi writings. Some are on the web and many others in book stores.

A story from E.H Winfield’s translation (1898)

Knowledge of the heart [is] preferable to the knowledge of the schools. The knowledge of men of heart bears them up, the knowledge of men of the body weighs them down. When 'tis knowledge of the heart, it is a friend. When knowledge of the body, it is a burden. God saith, "As an ass bearing a load of books, (is still an ass)" the knowledge which is not of Him is a burden. Knowledge which comes not immediately from Him endures no longer than the rouge of the tirewoman.

Nevertheless, if you bear this burden in a right spirit 'twill be removed, and you will obtain joy. See you bear not that burden out of vainglory, then you will behold a store of true knowledge within. When you mount the steed of this true knowledge, straightway the burden will fall from your back. If you drink not His cup, how will you escape lusts? You, who seek no more of Him than to name His name? What do His name and fame suggest?

The idea of Him. And the idea of Him guides you to union with Him. Know you a guide without something to which it guides? Were there no roads there would be no ghouls. Know you a name without a thing answering to it? Have you ever plucked a rose from the letters R and S? You name His name; go, seek the reality named by it! Look for the moon in heaven, not in the water!

If you desire to rise above mere names and letters, make yourself free from self at one stroke! Like a sword be without trace of soft iron. Like a steel mirror, scour off all rust with contrition; make yourself pure from all attributes of self, that you may see your own pure bright essence!

Yes, see in your heart the knowledge of the Prophet, without book, without tutor, without preceptor. The Prophet saith, "He is one of my people, whoso is of like temper and spirit with me. His soul beholds me by the selfsame light whereby I myself behold Him, without traditions and scriptures and histories, in the fount of the water of life." Learn the mystery, "I was last night a Kurd, and this morning am become an Arab." This mystery of "last night" and "this morning" leads you into the road that brings you to God. But if you want an instance of this secret knowledge, hear the story of the Greeks and the Chinese.

The Chinese and the Greeks disputed before the Sultan which of them were the better painters; and, in order to settle the dispute, the Sultan allotted to each a house to be painted by them. The Chinese procured all kinds of paints, and coloured their house in the most elaborate way. The Greeks, on the other hand, used no colours at all, but contented themselves with cleansing the walls of their house from all filth, and burnishing them till they were as clear and bright as the heavens. When the two houses were offered to the Sultan's inspection, that painted by the Chinese was much admired; but the Greek house carried off the palm, as all the colours of the other house were reflected on its walls with an endless variety of shades and hues.

God Bless
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posted May 12, 2005 07:58 PM         

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This is a post from Universal Codes I posted awhile back. While it doesn't deal with my views on God, it is of a similar issue, so I thought I should re-post it here.
---------------------------------------------( the 120 years refers to the age of the death of Jesus/Yeshua/Issa..whichever name you prefer to use) Now for the re-posting:

120 years. Please go to the link I posted for the tomb of Jesus. They do an excellent overview of this subject and more if you are interested. It would take me many pages of writing to give you quick answers, when they are already doing so quite well! Please check out their wonderful site, it is the best one I know of.....As to my beliefs,....because I have studied in some depth and am also involved in psychic archaeology, my beliefs are not entirely in sync with others. Yes I believe the truth of much of the information but the pieces are not in my opinion, being strung together correctly and much is missing or assumed. Not enough questions are being considered. Dogma of any religion does often bind the mind from looking beyond it{dogmatic preconceptions} for rational or alternitive answers, or prevents new questions from even being asked. Dogma can often promote fear of asking. I am currently involved in working on a book that I hope will make people think and consider that the story about this man and the people who knew him well,{the people who were closest, not the masses of followers} can be seen more clearly and answer the questions no one else has ventured to do or dared to. Why am I on this mission/quest? I was abused as a child, whipped until I was bloodied, all the while the Bible etc. was used to justify the abuse.
When I was 8 years old I met a little boy in the hospital{I was in for surgery} who was badly burned from head to toe because while playing on a swing, a man poured gasoline on him and set him on fire. The boy died of his injuries, and my mother said to not cry for him because he was a child of the damned, a Catholic, and would burn forever! I was 8 years old. Even I couldn't accept that! She wanted me to pray for the man who committed the crime! What was the reason!??? The victim was Catholic. The criminal was Baptist, and my mother Southern Baptist! I drew as far away then from God, Jesus, and anything remotely Christian. When I was 12 My father remarried. She was Catholic. I was sent to Catechism. Lets just say that things became creepy and downright perverse and kinky. Then I looked into Satanism at 16. That lasted about 2 days where upon I tossed the ridiculous concept and book. The New Age movent came and things begain to look really silly to me, so I withdrew and begain to try and find answers independant of what was out there religion wise, any and all of them. Then in 1997 I dared God and the Universe to show me the way or just kill me. To say that things became very strange after that is an understatement of epic proportions! What do I believe above all and foremost? Know Thyself. Love Humankind. Seek to improve the world. Do not adhere to preconceptions just because someone told you what to believe. Ok, enough for now. Later....

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Wait---aren't there more then one god? And waht happened after you asked god to do that. Did you learn of something then? Can't you tell us now? Please?

And I know that everything you said was good, what with knowing yourself (which i've been diong...it's lots of fun) loving humankind, and then seeking to improve, but...it's really hard to do that when everyone else around you don't care. I know, it doesn't matter, but its tiring. sometimes, I feel as if everyone I know, my folks, my siblings, the kids at my school, are just so...self centered, and self absorbed. I thought that maybe it was because they don't know anything else, that they were n't introduced to humanitarian acts (I was like them too, awhile back) and so I send everyone i know an email, with all sorts of horrid dead animals in it, (and that was not at all fun for me, I spend three hours crying and covering my eyes) but I thought people would start caring once they see pictures, you know? maybe just words aren't enough, and they needed pictures to make them want to help. But they just told me to never send them such pictures again, cuz it's gross. Oh dear...so sorry! this wasn't even my post, and I'm off topic! Sorry Nev!

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