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posted August 15, 2014 12:56 PM            

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Feels like serene woods to me!

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posted August 24, 2014 07:56 PM            

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I had forgotten about this thread. I meant to come back and develop it a little.

I should make clear that though I did manifest some cash and most people do manifest things thru chanting there is a LOT more to it...frequently like the world appearing to fall apart around you to make room for new life and insight...one needs to stick with it and it can be very much like other religions with people trying to box you in to prescribed and proscribed behaviours and practices...

however it is a very good entry into the zone if you have the time patience and persistence to stick with it...NOT a magic phrase to generate good luck.

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posted August 26, 2014 12:00 AM            

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Oh, stupid me - I just tried it. I don't want to invite any more damage my way.

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posted August 26, 2014 07:06 PM            

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teasel try to find Sadie Shaws' first book. She talks about the process pretty clearly. I don't think there is anything to be afraid of...people chant their way thru the shadows to a betterment...and I am SURE that trying it a few times won't cause havoc lol.

If you can stay aware the process is not necessarily painful at all. Didnt mean to scare you

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posted August 27, 2014 10:10 AM            

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It can't harm you.

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posted August 27, 2014 11:14 PM            

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i've been doing it since i was four years old.

get this:Buddhism is NOT a religion.

I know that there are Buddhist religious temples...most people in Asia don't understand the role Buddha truly plays -- as a renunciant philosopher.

Right now I have the Daily Show on, and they are talking about Islamic Terrorists...now,
i know someone here has READ what LG has to say about Osiris and Isis, and knows from the headlines that a Big Lie is taking place.

It's like that with Religious Buddhism, and it's been that way since before the Buddha passed away, before his life ended and others became Buddhists.

The Islamic fascist killers have little to do with the ancient Goddess of Egypt -- but -- anyone who understands that historical tradition knows that a Killer plays a role in the story, a killer, and, as LG wrote about him, a liar.

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anyway, Buddha was very fought against because of his complete rejection of the Brahman religion -- called by Westerners Vedism, showing that Westerners don't really understand the Sanskrit-based languages of the region...

it's about the ancient world, the world almost forgotten. Gotama, the original Buddha who inspired the monk Zennichiro, who changed his name to Daishonen Nichiren ("Solar Lotus,") -- Gotama lived approximately five hundred years before "Christ" --

and serious students know that "Jesus Christ" was a name given to THAT personage by philosophers who were not sharers of the philosophy of "Yeshua ben Yoceph."

...even what i just typed is a sounding-out in Roman characters of a name that was spoken in Aramaic -- a "dead" language according to linguists, the academic sages who study language...although i bet people speak it somewhere -- Aramaic and Hebrew. Greek was spoken by the well to do and the learned...

But "Jesus Christ" is a modern degradation of the name that they called THAT spiritual person.

it HAS been a long, long time since either Buddha or Jesus made their historic marks on the world at first...it requires a somewhat lengthy explanation.

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posted August 27, 2014 11:16 PM            

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anyway: the originator of this discussion asked a few years ago what the meaning of Myo Ho Renge Kyo was.

..as i said, i've been doing it since i was a small child.

THE 2ND CHAPTER. (HOBEN) PROSE FORM

Myoho renge kyo — The wonderful Law of the Lotus Sutra
Ho ben pon dai ni: Skillful Ways
Ni Ji Se Son — There the World Honored One
Ju San Mai — Quietly came up
An Jo Ni Ki — From his samadhi
Go Shari Hotsu — And said to Shariputra:
Sho Bu' Chi E — The wisdom of the Buddhas
Jin Jin Mu Ryo — Is profound and cannot be measured
Go Chi E Mon — Its gate is hard to understand
Nange Nan Nyu — And difficult to enter.
Is Sai Sho Mon — No Shravaka-Disciple
Hyaku Shi Butsu — Or Self-taught buddha
Sho Fu No Chi — Can understand it.
Sho I Sha Ga — Why is that? (because!)
Butsu Zo Shin Gon —the [present] Buddhas attended on many
Hyaku Sen Man Noku — hundreds of thousands of billions
Mu Shu Sho Butsu — Of [past] Buddhas,
Jin Gyo Sho Butsu — And practiced the many teachings
Mu Ryo Do Ho — Of those Buddhas bravely and energetically
Yu Myo Sho Jin — To their far-flung fame till they attained
Myo Sho Fu Mon — The profound Law
Jo Ju Jin Jin — Which you've never heard before,
Mi Zo U Ho — And also because they are exposing
Zui Gi Sho Setsu — The Law according to the capacities
I Shu Nan Ge — Of all living beings a way that the intention is hard to understand
Shari Hotsu — Shariputra!
Go Ju Jo Butsu I Rai — Since I became Buddha, I also
Shu Ju In Nen — Have been stating various teachings
Shu Ju Hi Yu — With different stories of previous lives,
Ko En Gon Kuyo — Various parables, and various similes.
Mu Shu Ho Ben — I have been leading all living beings
In Do Shu Jo — With countless expedients
Ryo Ri Sho Jaku — In order to save them from materialism,
Sho I Sha Ga — Because I have the power
Nyo Rai Ho Ben — To employ skills,
Chi Ken Hara Mitsu — And the power to perform
Kai I Gu Soku — The Paramita (reached goal of wisdom) of insight
Shari Hotsu — Shariputra!
Nyo Rai Chi Ken —The insight of the Tathagatas
Ko Dai Jin Non — Is wide and deep.
Mu Ryo Mu Ge — They have all the [states of mind
Riki Mu Sho I — Towards] countless [living beings],
Zen Jo Ge Da's' San Mai — unchecked [intelligence], powers,
Jin Nyu Mu Sai — Fearlessness, dhyana-concentrations,
Jo Ju Is Sai — Liberations and samadhis. They entered
Mi Zo U Ho — Deep into no limits, and attained the Law which you've never heard before
Shari Hotsu — Shariputra!
Nyo Rai Nyo Shu Ju Fun Betsu —The Tathagatas divide the Law
Gyo Ses Sho Ho — Into various teachings, and state
Gon Ji Nyu Nan — Those teachings so gently and skillfully
Ek Ka Shu Shin — That living being are delighted.
Shari Hotsu — Shariputra!
Shu Yo Gon Shi — In short, the Buddhas attained
Mu Ryo Mu Hen — The countless teachings
Mi Zo U Ho — Which you've never heard before
Bus Shitsu Jo Ju — No more
Shi — Will I say
Shari Hotsu — Shariputra
Fu Shu Bu Setsu — Because the Law
Sho I Sha Ga — attained by the Buddhas
Bus Sho Jo Ju — Is the highest Truth.
Dai Ichi Ke U — Rare [to hear] and hard
Nan Ge Shi Ho —To understand.
Yui Butsu Yo Butsu — Only the Buddhas attained
Nai No Ku Jin — The highest Truth, that is
Sho Ho Jis So — The Reality of All Things
Sho I Sho Ho — In regards to:
Nyo Ze So — Their appearances (form? shape? size? ) as such,
Nyo Ze Sho — Thier natures (essence) as such,
Nyo Ze Tai — Their embodiments (present incarnation) as such,
Nyo Ze Riki — Their powers (potentiality also possibilities) as such,
Nyo Ze Sa — Their activities (function or role) as such,
Nyo Ze In — Their primary causes (obvious cause) as such,
Nyo Ze En — Their environmental causes (process) as such,
Nyo Ze Ka — Their effects (latent or hidden effect) as such,
Nyo Ze Ho — Their requital (final outcome or return) as such,
Nyo Ze Hon Ma' Ku Kyo To — And the combination of these [factors] as such (over and over again)

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posted August 27, 2014 11:21 PM            

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA1NczKKf8w

as you can see, a long story is told, in the older form of the Japanese language.

few people understand this: this is a conversation turned into a Mystical Song, as you can hear if you check out the above video.

the video is not much to see, but you can hear each distinct syllable spoken in the verse above...a conversation between Buddha and his disciple, Shari Hotsu in Japanese, Shariputra in Sanskrit.

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posted August 27, 2014 11:30 PM            

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the point is: it's not about getting rich quick. it is about becoming enlightened by way of meditation.

in philosophical, historical buddhism, we speak of many Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, not just one avatar who will rule.

that's from BEFORE the Buddha, the Brahmanic religious philosophy that Gotama, or Siddhartha as he is called, rejected. Renounced. Cut off his hair, and cut his ties with. Devoted his FUTURE lives to fulfilling the spiritual goal of healing human suffering, and indeed, the suffering of all beings.

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posted August 27, 2014 11:33 PM            

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So anyway: what "The Buddha" --the attained Daishonin, according to some beliefs, is saying to his reincarnated disciple why it's so hard for people to become enlightened.

he goes on to EXPLAIN MYSTICAL POWERS.

it IS difficult to understand.

i was blessed and lucky, because mommy was on her 'spiritual trip' and took me to the dojo when i was four. my little head was empty. there wasn't much in the way, and definitely no goal of attaining material riches.

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posted August 27, 2014 11:34 PM            

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it's easier to understand the ancient Japanese and translations if i break it into sections.

Go Ju Jo Butsu I Rai — Since I became Buddha, I also
Shu Ju In Nen — Have been stating various teachings
Shu Ju Hi Yu — With different stories of previous lives,
Ko En Gon Kuyo — Various parables, and various similes.
Mu Shu Ho Ben — I have been leading all living beings
In Do Shu Jo — With countless expedients
Ryo Ri Sho Jaku — In order to save them from materialism,
Sho I Sha Ga — Because I have the power
Nyo Rai Ho Ben — To employ skills,
Chi Ken Hara Mitsu — And the power to perform
Kai I Gu Soku — The Paramita (reached goal of wisdom) of insight
Shari Hotsu — Shariputra!

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posted August 27, 2014 11:37 PM            

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Nyo Rai Chi Ken —The insight of the Tathagatas
Ko Dai Jin Non — Is wide and deep.
Mu Ryo Mu Ge — They have all the [states of mind
Riki Mu Sho I — Towards] countless [living beings],
Zen Jo Ge Da's' San Mai — unchecked [intelligence], powers,
Jin Nyu Mu Sai — Fearlessness, dhyana-concentrations,
Jo Ju Is Sai — Liberations and samadhis. They entered
Mi Zo U Ho — Deep into no limits, and attained the Law which you've never heard before
Shari Hotsu — Shariputra!

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posted August 27, 2014 11:40 PM            

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Nyo Rai Nyo Shu Ju Fun Betsu —The Tathagatas divide the Law
Gyo Ses Sho Ho — Into various teachings, and state
Gon Ji Nyu Nan — Those teachings so gently and skillfully
Ek Ka Shu Shin — That living being are delighted.
Shari Hotsu — Shariputra!
Shu Yo Gon Shi — In short, the Buddhas attained
Mu Ryo Mu Hen — The countless teachings
Mi Zo U Ho — Which you've never heard before
Bus Shitsu Jo Ju — No more
Shi — Will I say
Shari Hotsu — Shariputra
Fu Shu Bu Setsu — Because the Law
Sho I Sha Ga — attained by the Buddhas
Bus Sho Jo Ju — Is the highest Truth.
Dai Ichi Ke U — Rare [to hear] and hard
Nan Ge Shi Ho —To understand.
Yui Butsu Yo Butsu — Only the Buddhas attained
Nai No Ku Jin — The highest Truth, that is
Sho Ho Jis So — The Reality of All Things
Sho I Sho Ho — In regards to:
Nyo Ze So — Their appearances (form? shape? size? ) as such,
Nyo Ze Sho — Thier natures (essence) as such,
Nyo Ze Tai — Their embodiments (present incarnation) as such,
Nyo Ze Riki — Their powers (potentiality also possibilities) as such

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posted August 28, 2014 01:25 PM            

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Thanks!

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posted August 29, 2014 12:46 PM            

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It reads like a whole essay.

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posted August 30, 2014 01:19 PM            

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It can't cause harm.

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posted August 31, 2014 12:25 PM            

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Thanks for the translation!

No its not about getting rich quick. However many people manifest money or what they need to a) witness the power of the chanting and b) move further into "enlightenment"

The money may come with a price of doing more work on yourself...which yields its own brand of "riches"

But the "master" believed that thru enlightenment one would manifest "better" material circumstances, not a life of mortification of the flesh like many religions advocate.

When I mentioned other "religions" I was talking about the groupthink dynamic and tendency of groups to pressure individuals via a vis "correct" behaviours and practices. Not buddhism's goals.

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posted January 15, 2015 11:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
I had forgotten about this thread. I meant to come back and develop it a little.

I should make clear that though I did manifest some cash and most people do manifest things thru chanting there is a LOT more to it...frequently like the world appearing to fall apart around you to make room for new life and insight...one needs to stick with it and it can be very much like other religions with people trying to box you in to prescribed and proscribed behaviours and practices...

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Good to know Thanks for posting this.

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posted January 23, 2015 01:22 PM            

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