posted March 25, 2011 11:38 PM              

Luke 17:3-4

That is what im trying to point out..If one has any idea about how hard it is to ask for repentance?repentance is one of the hardest and most difficult things for a sinner to do. Neither do these false teachers believe a believer's obedience to God's 10 commandments and faith in Jesus Christ are attributes of merit deserving God's approval and favor.

This denys Christ's power, and does despite to the spirit of God's grace, Jude 4, 10, 16, I Peter 4:17-18, Gal. 2:17-18, Heb. 10:26-29. God says in Heb. 10:26 "For if you continue to sin wilfully after receiving the knowlege of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin."

Here is a Beautiful Article on What is called as the FALSE TEACHING of GRACE TO SIN

PS just read this article http://www.donimon.org/gracetosin.html

posted March 25, 2011 11:40 PM            

Anyways, I think when you are saved, you feel God's grace and love, and you realize the importance of the 10 commandments, however, recognize that you are sinful...

So, you love God with all your heart, and allow yourself to be led, all the while having to deal with the very real realities of a human sinful nature...

posted March 25, 2011 11:42 PM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
"If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you saying, "I repent", you shall forgive him"

Luke 17:3-4

That is what im trying to point out..If one has any idea about how hard it is to ask for repentance?repentance is one of the hardest and most difficult things for a sinner to do. Neither do these false teachers believe a believer's obedience to God's 10 commandments and faith in Jesus Christ are attributes of merit deserving God's approval and favor.

This denys Christ's power, and does despite to the spirit of God's grace, Jude 4, 10, 16, I Peter 4:17-18, Gal. 2:17-18, Heb. 10:26-29. God says in Heb. 10:26 "For if you continue to sin wilfully after receiving the knowlege of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin."

Here is a Beautiful Article on What is called as the FALSE TEACHING of GRACE TO SIN

PS just read this article http://www.donimon.org/gracetosin.html

I do think the fault here lies in how you interpret sin and repentance.

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posted March 25, 2011 11:46 PM            

The Parable of the Lost Son
11 Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons. 12 The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them.

13 “Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14 After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. 16 He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18 I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ 20 So he got up and went to his father.

“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

21 “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’

22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.

25 “Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. 27 ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’

28 “The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29 But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’

posted March 25, 2011 11:47 PM              

This is an interesting link too
http://www.eternallifeministries.org/lrs_gospel2.htm

About TRUE SALVATION

There is an old saying that goes: "Anything that is free is worth what was paid for it." This even applies to our salvation. While it is freely given to us, it was the most expensive gift ever given. It cost God the death of His Son. In a similar vein, there is a cost to discipleship.

The Cost of a Cross: "Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple" (14:27).
When we hear the reference to a cross, we are perhaps inclined to think in stained glass terms. There was no religious significance as yet attached to the cross when Jesus spoke these words. Any reference to a cross would point to death. Putting these words into today�s language would contain references to seating yourself in your own electric chair or tying your own hangman�s noose. Here is the point. When Jesus calls a man, He calls Him to give his entire life.

posted March 25, 2011 11:55 PM              

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Here's a quick way to it...

Are you a sinner, Rajji?

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yes PS I am..and i know very much about what it means to be born again, to ask for repentance and to direct my thoughts towards the path of salvation.
And I know its not an easy path!Its a Complete struggle.

posted March 25, 2011 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
yes PS I am..and i know very much about what it means to be born again, to ask for repentance and to direct my thoughts towards the path of salvation.
And I know its not an easy path!Its a Complete struggle.

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Same here. And, that's all I'm saying.

Not abandon fear of God, or to deny the Truth from God, only to realize that God's grace is here - even for the "saved ones" who after feeling and knowing salvation in our hearts have sinned... that we still have to repent and pick up our cross to follow him... EVERY day.

posted March 26, 2011 12:06 AM              

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Same here. And, that's all I'm saying.

Not abandon fear of God, or to deny the Truth from God, only to realize that God's grace is here - even for the "saved ones" who after feeling and knowing salvation in our hearts have sinned... that we still have to repent and pick up our cross to follow him... EVERY day.

That's my understanding. Otherwise, I am pretty sure I do not deserve salvation, because I am FOR SURE a lousy person and sinner, trying my best to emulate Jesus Christ.

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No..PS your views are not same as mine.
I was a sinner..I was saved...but i will not try to repeat the same sin and think that God will forgive me again and again.
If I continue to commit the same sin and ask for forgiveness later..it only becomes a habit which is not worthy of forgiveness or repentance....I do think this is the effect of what you call as lousy character.
You can hold on to yours..I have no objection.

posted March 26, 2011 12:13 AM            

Funny enough, we're having this discussion on an Astrology board.

posted March 26, 2011 12:44 AM              

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Wow, Rajji. Now, I know for sure you're not coming from the right place. A lot of judgment there...

I will be excusing myself now, as I have made the important points that I feel are very valid.

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posted March 26, 2011 12:52 AM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
The judgement was directed to me not to you...that is how i keep myself in check becoz i do believe that once saved does not mean always saved.
This is a topic which is very interesting...You dont need to excuse yourself at all...afterall it is a debate and this forum is about religion.

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posted March 26, 2011 12:53 AM              

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Originally posted by rajji:
The judgement was directed to me not to you...that is how i keep myself in check becoz i do believe that once saved does not mean always saved.
This is a topic which is very interesting...You dont need to excuse yourself at all...afterall it is a debate and this forum is about religion.

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Here is an another interesting topic-How Can You Be Sure of Your Salvation Status?
According to it-

posted March 26, 2011 01:00 AM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
Here is an another interesting topic-How Can You Be Sure of Your Salvation Status?
According to it-

Does not live a lifestyle of sin
If people were to closely evaluate your life and give you a label, would they label you as some sort of a "sinner" - as he is "an alchoholic" or "a slanderer" or "a swindler" or "a liar" or "a homosexual"?
Or do you rather find that try as you might you just don't seem to be able to live a lifestyle of sin?
"No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him...No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." 1John 3:6,9

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Maybe we need to define "sin"... because we're not just talking about the 10 commandments...

posted March 26, 2011 01:03 AM            

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

posted March 26, 2011 01:10 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God�

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

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