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listenstotrees
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posted February 13, 2011 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saw this on History Channel.....fascinating information and research, regardless of what beliefs one may have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_NaeLTm9GQ&feature=related

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posted February 13, 2011 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm....not the full documentary, I'll have to see if I can find the full version....anyone else who finds a link to the full version in the meantime, feel free to post.

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posted February 13, 2011 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


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posted February 13, 2011 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not how he looked.
Additionally;
basing his appearance on Shroud is as far from reality as one could get.
Assumptions also make folks think he would look Jewish/Mideastern.
Nope.


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posted February 13, 2011 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The documentary proves that there is NO evidence that the shroud was created by a painter....all evidence points to it having held a real body. The image on it, which appears like a photograph negative, no-one knew what could possibly have created it like that, but the researcher on the documentary shows that it could be made by slices of light running across it, while a body was wrapped in it.....when he tried to reproduce the effect, the results all measured up.

What I find interesting is that they had the technology to produce the shroud in such a way back then. So...I wonder....was Jesus/ Yeshua an earthling who raised his vibration to be capable of something supernatural, an alien/ someone used by aliens as part of an agenda (if so for good or bad motives?)....or did they someone in ancient times simply have some type of secret/ forgotten/ hidden technology to create such a relic?

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posted February 14, 2011 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW!
I HAVE ANOTHER ONE...
Can somebody please tell me how to post pictures here?

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posted February 14, 2011 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The documentary proves that there is NO evidence that the shroud was created by a painter....all evidence points to it having held a real body. The image on it, which appears like a photograph negative,
Oh I believe "some" of that;
In my view it was not created by "painting" ...
but WAS created by "A Painter" LOL!
And held during part of the "process" a corpse....
however I do not buy for even a microsecond that it was the shroud of Yeshua.
Nope, just do not buy that.

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What I find interesting is that they had the technology to produce the shroud in such a way back then. So...I wonder....was Jesus/ Yeshua an earthling who raised his vibration to be capable of something supernatural, an alien/ someone used by aliens as part of an agenda (if so for good or bad motives?)....or did they someone in ancient times simply have some type of secret/ forgotten/ hidden technology to create such a relic?
Occam's Razor.
No, not an alien.
No not deific.
Just simply an unknown.

However, I am not really sure why they think is so strange.
Decaying things set of gases, oils,
and leave in some cases a "negative" image.
I have done "shroud" experiments on such as dead frogs, which are very human like;
and on fish.

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posted February 14, 2011 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rajji:
WOW!
I HAVE ANOTHER ONE...
Can somebody please tell me how to post pictures here?


Use; www.photobucket.com

or www.tinypic.com

then upload from your computer,
the images you have saved, and want to post.

Then use the img/img link in drop down menu under your uploaded images,

copy then paste here.


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posted February 14, 2011 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Believed to be very true picture of him....This is the picture on the shroud.
I honor it from the bottom of my heart!

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posted February 14, 2011 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

cant resize it...he looks sooo real.

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posted February 14, 2011 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks simply like an artists impression to me

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posted February 14, 2011 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Is the Turin Shroud really a self-portrait by Renaissance man, Leonardo da Vinci?


He was the ultimate Renaissance man - studying anatomy, designing a rudimentary helicopter
and creating some of the most admired paintings of the age.

But could Leonardo da Vinci also have perpetrated history's greatest art forgery?

That's the suggestion of one expert, who claims that Leonardo was responsible for faking the Turin Shroud.


The relic has inspired generations of pilgrims who have flocked to see what they believe is the face of
the crucified Jesus.

But it has also provoked bitter controversy after scientists carbon-dated it to the Middle Ages.

Now an American artist has entered the fray, putting forward her own theory about its origin.

Lillian Schwartz, a graphic consultant at the School of Visual Arts in New York,
claims that the image is a self-portrait of Leonardo, which was made using a crude photographic technique.

Using computer scans she found that the face on the Turin Shroud and a self portrait of Leonardo da Vinci share
the same dimensions.

Miss Schwartz came to prominence in the 1980s when she made detailed measurements of the Mona Lisa and a
Leonardo self-portrait.

To her amazement, the two faces lined up perfectly, leading her to suggest that he used a self portrait as a model for
the painting.

Earlier this year she used the same technique to compare another Leonardo self-portrait with the Turin Shroud.

'It matched. I'm excited about this,' she said. 'There is no doubt in my mind that the proportions that Leonardo wrote
about were used in creating this Shroud's face.'

According to a Channel Five documentary to be shown tonight, Leonardo scorched his facial features on to the
linen of the Shroud using a sculpture of his face and a photographic device called a 'camera obscura'.

He would have hung the shroud's fabric over a frame in a blacked- out room and coated it with a substance to make it
light-sensitive, just like photographic film.

When the sun's rays passed through a lens in one of the walls, Leonardo's 3D model would have been projected on to the
material, creating a permanent image.
According to the Channel Five documentary, da Vinci created a sculpture of his own head and 'scorched' his facial features
onto the linen using a primitive photographic device called a 'camera obscura'

According to the documentary, da Vinci 'scorched' his facial features onto the linen using a primitive photographic device
called a 'camera obscura'

Shroud researcher Lynn Picknett said: 'It is spooky, it is jaw-dropping.

'The faker of the shroud had to be a heretic. He had to have a grasp of anatomy and he had to have at his fingertips
a technology which would completely fool everyone until the 20th century.'

The programme points out that Leonardo was fascinated with optical equipment and his notebooks contain one of
the earliest drawings of a camera obscura.

Mrs Picknett added: 'If Leonardo could have known that 500 years after he died generations of pilgrims
are still crossing themselves over the image, I think he would have laughed quite a lot.'

Although the Turin Shroud remains a popular attraction, most people now concede it is a fake.

Radiocarbon dating in 1988 showed the cloth was made between 1260 and 1390. However,
the image itself has not been carbon dated.

But Professor John Jackson, director of the Turin Shroud Centre of Colorado, who believes the item dates from
the time of Jesus's crucifixion, dismissed the Leonardo hypothesis. 'It is based on some very poor scientific
and historical scholarship,' he said.

The earliest known record of the shroud appears on a commemorative medallion struck in the mid-14th century and
on display at the Cluny Museum Paris, he added.

'It clearly shows clerics holding up the shroud and is dated to around 100 years before Leonardo was born.

'There is no evidence whatsoever that Leonardo was involved in the shroud.'

The professor believes the radiocarbon dating of the shroud was wrong because the sample was contaminated.



LOL!
Hello! Clue phone!
He used an old shroud!

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posted February 14, 2011 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lei_Kuei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL

The dude had a sense of humor to be sure...


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posted February 14, 2011 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like I said;
as a child I did imaging experiments of such on frogs and fish, also leaves and so forth.
Direct contact imaging and reflective heat transfer imaging was a thing I observed naturally happening to old paper wallpaper having an image reflected on it by sun glare on said image/object.

PS.
Linen is one of the easiest scorched/stained natural fabrics.

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posted February 14, 2011 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He also had access to corpses/cadavers for his anatomical work and study.
Strange phenomenon occur when fabric is lain loosely or wrapped tightly upon the flesh of the dead, depending on light, air temperature, degree of decay or if treated, or de-sanguined or not.
He had the time, material and the skills and attitude to do such a thing!

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posted February 14, 2011 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted February 14, 2011 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LEXX:

However, I am not really sure why they think is so strange.
Decaying things set of gases, oils,
and leave in some cases a "negative" image.
I have done "shroud" experiments on such as dead frogs, which are very human like;
and on fish.



Interesting.

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posted February 14, 2011 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I better worded part of a previous reply:

quote:
Originally posted by listenstotrees:
The documentary proves that there is NO evidence that the shroud was created by a painter....all evidence points to it having held a real body. The image on it, which appears like a photograph negative,
Oh I believe "some" of that;
In my view it was not created by "painting" ...
but WAS created by "A Painter" LOL!
And held during part of the "process" a corpse....
however I do not buy for even a microsecond that it was the shroud of Yeshua.
Nope, just do not buy that.

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