posted March 25, 2011 11:13 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Anyways... I don't think we will have seen the Anti-christ, yet. But, it's possible.

Wouldn't be surprised if Obama puts on that crown, though! Haha.

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May be may not be we can just speculate....acoording to some people The first beast seems to be the president of America

"The 10 nation alliance he was a part of has betrayed him and Babylon, the country he is from, and burns America with fire.

The first beast gets 42 months to rule. You will notice after his War on the Saints and the destruction of America, he is basically a pin prick in the background. It's now the second beast who rises up and takes over.

And if you have not recognized it by now, the first beast of Revelation 13 is the President of the United States."

posted March 25, 2011 11:22 PM            

END-TIME IMAGE OF THE BEAST

The negative description of the beast after the mention of the 42 months,
ie after verse 5, appears to relate to the yet future end-time form brought
into existence by the beast from the land.

It will be a blasphemous religious organisation which will seek to bring
the people of God into spiritual captivity. So in this way many will be
symbolically marked in their minds (foreheads) and religious work (right
hand).

People and groups which do not 'fall into line' will be dis-fellowshipped
and otherwise suppressed (symbolically killed). This organisation will seek
to fully control God's vineyard work.

In real terms this chapter is talking about the creation of the 10 horned
(Daniel 7:7) future 'image' form of Israel. A composite Jewish/Christian
organisation which all spiritual tribes, tongues and nations, ie Jewish
and Christian groups, will be expected to worship.

END-TIME RELEVANCE

Many reading the Revelation chapter 13 prophecy consider the text is
describing the final corrupt situation prior to the establishment of
the Kingdom of God.

However, the Daniel chapter 7 portrayal shows a further truly Satanic
era will follow this period of religious dictatorship. It shows that
a little horn will arise, plucking out 3 horns, and speak pompous words
against the Most High.

It is during this time that those religious leaders who have led into
captivity will themselves go into captivity, when those who have killed
with the sword (word of God) will themselves be killed.

In summary Revelation chapter 13 is describing several successive periods
of time.

- Lion, bear and leopard era
- Healed 42 months beastform
- End-time 'image of original beast'
- Time of vengeance upon the beast

posted March 25, 2011 11:45 PM            

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Ezekiel 14:9

And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet

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posted March 26, 2011 12:17 AM            

Religions have nothing to do with God.
They are the inventions of mankind and a means to deceive and control humanity on all levels.

Religions, the beasts, must die.

Even John Lennon saw that truth which has divided humanity and brought forth wars, and
territorial paranoia, greed, fear of others and so forth.

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Imagine lyrics
Songwriters: Lennon, John;

Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try
No people below us, above it's only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries, it isn't hard to do
No need to kill or die for and no religions too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger a brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing for the world

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
Take my hand and join us
And the world will live, will live as one

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posted March 26, 2011 12:26 AM            

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Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

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Judges 9:23
Then LORD God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech

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Isaiah 16:14
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. … 16 Let our lord now command thy servants, [which are] before thee, to seek out a man, [who is] a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.

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Isaiah 19:9
And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with [his] hand.

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Here LORD God hardened Pharaoh's heart, then punished him and his people for not lettings Moses and his people go.
Excuse me?
Pharaoh was "spelled " by LORD God to be hard of heart?

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Exodus Chapter 7

3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.

13 And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Pharaoh's heart is hardened, he refuseth to let the people go.

22 And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, neither did he hearken unto them; as the LORD had said.

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And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet

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posted March 26, 2011 12:34 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
People who use Religion as means to destroy one another have missed the point, I think. But, that's just my take.

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Not really.
If one follows for example the so called "holy" Bible;
One is repeatedly ordered to destroy one another.
The so called good book is full of contradictions.

And so repeatedly ordered by the false god to do so.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm

posted March 26, 2011 01:51 AM            

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Originally posted by rajji:
In our age, the commandments is as applicable and important as it was thousands of years ago...thats why we still consider them

Yes, though you must understand each of the commandments, and the terminology used to see it as it really is. For example, murder includes all kinds of murder, such as premeditated, manslaughter and such, and yes, it does include abortion, for that is premeditated each time. One more example would be adultery, for that does not simply mean marital infidelity. It stands for all sexual perversions imaginable, including sodomy, incest, and beastiality.

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I recognize what you've said... but what about the sins further defined...like the 7 deadly sins...

These sins are: Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Lust, Anger, Greed, and Sloth?

posted March 26, 2011 11:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Raj, you are such a rational person when you are talking about no evidence for mental illness, but yet you believe in all of this irrational stuff from a Bible that not even the over 400 sects of Christianity can agree on.

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posted March 26, 2011 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I'm not being confrontational at all. I am just presenting my side...as you do when you post about your religion. I'm not angry; nor am I intolerant. I was simply asking Raj how she can be rational in one respect and not so in another. It's just a query. Some of my closest friends are Christians, and we have very calm, educated debates with no arguing whatsoever. If you can post about your religion, then I, LEXX, or others can post about our lack of religion...and about the wrongs we feel are being touted in the name of Christianity. But it's just our opinions. LEXX is far more abrasive in her anti-Christian rhertoric than I am, but you haven't called her mean-spirited. We all have our own individual opinions, and I am no different simply because I run the site. Am I not allowed to express mine?

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posted March 26, 2011 02:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Raj, you are such a rational person when you are talking about no evidence for mental illness, but yet you believe in all of this irrational stuff from a Bible that not even the over 400 sects of Christianity can agree on.

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posted March 26, 2011 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Randall, why do you have to be so confrontational? It really verges on mean-spirited, and especially when you really try to be tolerant towards differences?

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posted March 26, 2011 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I'm not being confrontational at all. I am just presenting my side...as you do when you post about your religion. I'm not angry; nor am I intolerant. I was simply asking Raj how she can be rational in one respect and not so in another. It's just a query. Some of my closest friends are Christians, and we have very calm, educated debates with no arguing whatsoever. If you can post about your religion, then I, LEXX, or others can post about our lack of religion...and about the wrongs we feel are being touted in the name of Christianity. But it's just our opinions. LEXX is far more abrasive in her anti-Christian rhertoric than I am, but you haven't called her mean-spirited. We all have our own individual opinions, and I am no different simply because I run the site. Am I not allowed to express mine?

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posted March 27, 2011 05:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Raj, you are such a rational person when you are talking about no evidence for mental illness, but yet you believe in all of this irrational stuff from a Bible that not even the over 400 sects of Christianity can agree on.

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Glad you asked me randall...

Just because something seems irrational or rational to you or me it doesn't mean that it is.And im not doing either.
I come to conclusions based on my convictions rather than proof or evidence.
As far as RELIGION is concerned I personally dont think it is either rational or irrational! It is but similar to fashion.
Fasion cannot be termed as rational or irrational. Take waht applies and appeals to you and leave the rest.
Just like How if you ask a muslim terrorist about his agenda he tells you its jihad!Contrary to what other civilian muslims believe about jihad!
Havent you heard of Muderers who say they are folowwers of satan?That they are fulfilling satans command.
Mother teresa states that her service is a divine calling!
Its upto you to discern what is good and bad.
Thats why I said religion it is a belief system..It is nothing but doing.
Neither can you say it is rational or irrational.

For example, The Bible is not a natural book, it is a spiritual book which can only be discerned spiritually.
If you think that yoy can objectively determine which beliefs are not correct then it wouldnt be a part of religion anymore.
Thats Why when people ask me or about how do you justify violence in the bible i always tell them..That bible uses figurative language- I do think The mistakes of others are recorded as examples, allowing us to avoid those same mistakes in our lives.
You can either learn by making mistakes yourself, or by reading about, and learning from, the mistakes of others. I Corinthians 10:6 further expounds on this point.
To properly help people understand what is right and wrong in God’s sight, the Bible must give many examples. This includes immorality and violence. While the Bible does give enough information to understand the circumstances of the acts, it never dwells on them,is is a record of important events allowing the reader to learn from their mistakes not dwell on them or keep pinting that so and so was wrong!
It is a lamp which giudes us to a path of eternal happiness and everlasting life though the path which leads to it is very narrow(struggle).
That is why Though im a hindu by birth and i quite dont agree with its teachings I have never tried to show others the flaws contained in it like others do about christianity because I do believe religion is a personal choice I will in no way try to justify that my beliefs are superior than others.Everybody has a certain level of conscioness and undersatnding and i respect their freedom of choice.

Many Scriptures including bible were contexual so I dont concoct a religious justification for the so called unspeakable horrors.Okey what about Quran, torah, bagavadgita and so many other religious texts do not preach violence at all??
What they make of it is their own business.

What I discovered is you dont have to understand everything to love or enjoy it.
Nobody is perfect.I dont know so many things like how radio waves are transmitted?
What are the parts inside a laptop?Why oranges are orange?etc ets but i still enjoy it and crave for it.

posted March 28, 2011 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Thank you for clarifying.

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posted May 14, 2011 08:43 AM            

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so in the end "Test all things; hold fast what is good:

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Always remember too , what is "good" to one may be anothers poison, and in doing so, we learn tolerance, patience, diversity and find peace.