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Ami Anne
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posted April 04, 2011 02:11 PM
  
Well,Lexx
The Bible can prove Divine Inspiration by foretelling events 1000's of years before they happened.
It is the ONLY book in existence ,EVER, throughout all time and space, which can do this.
That is one of the Divine imprints of the Bible---unique to it .------------------
Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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LEXX
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posted April 04, 2011 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, there are answers to all your questions,Lexx.
I will have to give my brain a break and get back.
As to why there was no law.God did not want to have to need law but man was so bad that he did.
So,God gave the Law.
BUT BUT BUT
This is BIG.
God gave the Law to SHOW man he could NOT keep it.
He NEEDED a Savior. That is what the Age of Grace is about.
So,the law was given to show man he could not keep it 
That is illogical.
A god should be able to create good, and would do so and NOT go out of his way to play a psychological mind fuqck on his so called creations. That is the mark of an insane manipulative evil immature power hungry delusional entity, not a true god.
And then to order atrocities to be done to others by the millions?
And a saviour?
Murder of a good man does not save souls.
Then to crucify that man voodoo like in effigy for thousands of years is simply a pure malicious selfish evil thing folks have been deluded into thinking is a good thing. 
Again I ask;
does that "god" sound like a sane entity, a benevolent entity? He even admits to creating good and evil. Not a true god in my view.
As long as humans do not take responsibility for their own actions, and keep expecting to be bailed out;
well those who will not take responsibility for their own actions are doomed.
If there is any truth to the Rapture mythos....I'd theorize that it is a way to reduce the population of the planet and at the same time remove followers of the Evil Demiurge/the blind "god" Samael, The false "god" of the second creation story and his Eden Zoo.
Do I have all the answers?
Of course not.
However I refuse to follow a mythos, or worse,
if any is true of it,
to unquestioningly follow what appears to be a very bad path to destruction/extinction.
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LEXX
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From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
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posted April 04, 2011 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well,Lexx
The Bible can prove Divine Inspiration by foretelling events 1000's of years before they happened.
It is the ONLY book in existence ,EVER, throughout all time and space, which can do this.
That is one of the Divine imprints of the Bible---unique to it .
My goodness.
You honesty believe that?
There have been many religions throughout time who can lay claim to the same.
In fact the bulk of the Bible is "stolen and or borrowed" from religions that preceded it by many centuries and or were in existence at the same time in other cultures.
Factor in the redaction/adding things to the tales AFTER the facts, is NOT foretelling.As to DIVINE......I see no divinity here at work at least not in a benevolent sense nor for the well being of humanity.
A mythos? An evil alien?
Yeah, either or but not for the good of humanity nor the evolution of humanity.
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted April 04, 2011 03:08 PM
Well, you would have to study the prophecies,Lexx,with an open mind.
I express my POV and my study but that is all I can do.
If I feel I am fighting for fighting sake,which I kind of feel ,now,I back off.------------------
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PlutoSquared
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posted April 04, 2011 03:13 PM
I just want to hear one good argument about the violence in the old testament, and regarding what God "demanded" men to do...I will start researching the specific violent verses myself, soon. IP: Logged |
LEXX
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From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
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posted April 04, 2011 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, you would have to study the prophecies,Lexx,with an open mind.
I express my POV and my study but that is all I can do.
If I feel I am fighting for fighting sake,which I kind of feel ,now,I back off.
I am not fighting ma'am, sorry you view it as such.  I do study such with an open mind but add logic and Occam's Razor to the equation. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum21/HTML/000009.html I have studied quite extensively and shall continue to do so. IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted April 04, 2011 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
I just want to hear one good argument about the violence in the old testament, and regarding what God "demanded" men to do...I will start researching the specific violent verses myself, soon.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 04, 2011 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
I just want to hear one good argument about the violence in the old testament, and regarding what God "demanded" men to do...I will start researching the specific violent verses myself, soon.
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Originally posted by LEXX:
I have NO earthly idea what this question is talking about. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 04, 2011 04:24 PM
What did God "demand" men to do? What do you mean?
I cannot fathom the question.You will have to be specific and with examples if you want me to attempt to answer it------------------
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posted April 04, 2011 06:22 PM
There are many ancient codes of law.
One is:
Code of Hammurabi
and;
The Code of Ur-Nammu is the oldest known tablet containing a law code surviving today. It was written in the Sumerian language circa 2100 BC-2050 BC .Laws of Eshnunna A listing of such. * Assyrian laws / Code of the Assura (c. 1075 BC)
* Babylonian laws (see Code of Hammurabi)
* Code of Hammurabi (ca. 1790 BC)
* Code of the Nesilim (c. 1650-1500 BC)
* Code of Urukagina (2,380-2,360 BC)
* Code of Ur-Nammu, king of Ur (ca. 2050 BC)
* Codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (ca. 1870 BC).[1].
* Cuneiform law (2,350-1,400 BC)
* The Gentoo Code
* Gortyn code (5th century BC)
* The Draconian constitution (7th Century BC)
* Hebraic law / Hebrew Bible / Old Testament (see Mosaic Law) (later see Halakha) (13th Century BC)
* Hittite laws (ca. 1650–1100 BC).
* Laws of Eshnunna (ca. 1930 BC) [2].
* Mosaic Law / Hebraic law - Ten Commandments.
* Traditional Chinese law * Cuneiform law (2,350-1,400 BC)
* Code of Urukagina (2,380-2,360 BC)
* Code of Ur-Nammu, king of Ur (ca. 2050 BC)
* Laws of Eshnunna (ca. 1930 BC) [2].
* Codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (ca. 1870 BC).
* Code of Hammurabi (ca. 1790 BC)
* Code of the Nesilim (c. 1650-1500 BC)
* Hittite laws (ca. 1650–1100 BCE).
* Hebraic law / Hebrew Bible / Old Testament (see Mosaic Law) (later see Halakha) (9th-5th Century BC)
* The Draconian constitution (7th Century BC)
* Gortyn code (5th century BC)
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LEXX
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posted April 04, 2011 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
What did God "demand" men to do? What do you mean?
I cannot fathom the question.You will have to be specific and with examples if you want me to attempt to answer it
I will list such when I get time.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 04, 2011 06:34 PM
I cannot debate with you,Lexx,because the Bible is my Source of Truth.
If it is not yours,I have nothing more to add.
It is not a fruitful discussion,in my opinion,with the parameters as they are now.
If people care to know/discuss what is IN the Bible, I am glad to do this.
If not,it is not something I am interested in debating.
Blessings to you,Lexx------------------
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From: Still out looking for Schrodinger's cat.......& LEXIGRAMMING.♥.. is my Passion!
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posted April 04, 2011 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I cannot debate with you,Lexx,because the Bible is my Source of Truth.
If it is not yours,I have nothing more to add.
It is not a fruitful discussion,in my opinion,with the parameters as they are now.
If people care to know/discuss what is IN the Bible, I am glad to do this.
If not,it is not something I am interested in debating.
Blessings to you,Lexx
Sigh
 I am discussing what is in the Bible.
I did not make up the atrocities.
They are there for anyone to see and read about. It is the interpretations on which we differ. I am here to attempt to find the truth. Why is the desiring logical rational answers as to why
a "god"
would condone and order the majority of atrocities in the Bible, seen as fighting you?
Why is asking questions wrong? 
Why must we follow blindly? These are things which have haunted me since I was a child.
We learn by asking questions not by wearing blinders or staying silent. I simply want answers. Blessings to you too Ami. 
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Ami Anne
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posted April 04, 2011 07:03 PM
What are the atrocities that you see in the Bible,Lexx?
Name some and I will try to answer the best I can.------------------
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posted April 04, 2011 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
What are the atrocities that you see in the Bible,Lexx?
Name some and I will try to answer the best I can.
Scroll down or click on any topic: http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 04, 2011 07:19 PM
God Kills The Firstborns!"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead." (Exodus 12:29-30) IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 04, 2011 07:21 PM
OK
Let me say ,first of all, that EVERY incident in the Bible can be explained so that there is a God of love and a God we can trust.
With that being said,*I* am fallible.
I will do my best. I may need to ask friends who know more or do research.
I am gonna play my guitar for a bit and be back lol------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 04, 2011 07:28 PM
I am gonna have to answer slowly and meditate on how to answer n the best way.
EVERY single incident on that list can be explained !------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 04, 2011 07:29 PM
I bookmarked it so I can go back to it.------------------
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posted April 04, 2011 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
God Kills The Firstborns!"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead." (Exodus 12:29-30)
Their "god" hardened Pharaoh's heart.
That is rather blatantly a nasty manipulative thing to do.
So since Pharaoh was made hard of heart by their "god";
I do not see why Pharaoh nor his people should have been punished for a thing their "god" did to him.Exodus 10 quote:
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And the LORD said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh: for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him:
So LORD set Pharaoh up just so he could attack him and all that was his.
How nice.  quote:
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But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go.
quote:
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But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let them go.
A true god would have just simply appeared to Pharaoh with out resorting to head games and violence.
A true omnipotent being could have just simply freed "his" people (an odd thing, "his" people, seeing how ALL humankind was supposedly according to some, created by him)
So, another oddity, a true God would not play favorites.
So simple if a true god, to just appear and speak, instead of a false "god" needing ignorant sheepherders and primitives do his dirty work.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 04, 2011 07:47 PM
OK, One has to start with certain premises,Lexx,and then build up to the answer of these questions.
One must start with God's creation of man as his friend,his person to spend time with and to love.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 04, 2011 07:49 PM
God created me to be his friend but God was always God and man was always "man" and less than God.
God is the Creator. Man in is the creation. So, God created man with choice.If not, WHAT would man's love be worth IF man were a robot. OK,this is the crucial factor---Man's choice.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 04, 2011 07:49 PM
God created me to be his friend but God was always God and man was always "man" and less than God.
God is the Creator. Man in is the creation. So, God created man with choice.If not, WHAT would man's love be worth IF man were a robot. OK,this is the crucial factor---Man's choice.
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posted April 04, 2011 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
OK, One has to start with certain premises,Lexx,and then build up to the answer of these questions.
One must start with God's creation of man as his friend,his person to spend time with and to love.
One also must ascertain first, which so called deity.
The God of the first creation story, a god of love  ;
or the LORD God of the second creation and his Eden zoo a vengeful jealous insane entity. They were not the same entity. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 04, 2011 07:52 PM
Picture this Lexx
You could have a robotic dog who would be "forced " to love you cuz he was a robot or a real dog who had choice to love---which would you want?
The real one.
Therein lies all the ensuing problems---Man was a creature with free will and free choice.
God made Man this way so man's love would mean something.
I can ,only,write ,little by little cuz I need to think on it. ------------------
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