posted August 27, 2012 08:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The Bible says God will not pour out His wrath on his believers. The time of wrath is the second half of the Tribulation. That is agreed upon by all Bible scholars.
However, for most of the Bible scholars who seem credible, they believe that the true followers of Jesus will not see any of the Tribulation, which, officially starts when the Anti-Christ signs the peace treaty with Israel and she lives in unwalled villages, which has NEVER happened, again making Prophecy kind of clear in this case.

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hm, quite conundrum, yet the Christians in Jerusalem fled for Pella..and missed out on the whole "not one stone left standing" thingy when the Legions sacked the city.

Rapture?

Perhaps..but that would be inconvenient.

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posted August 27, 2012 09:05 PM            

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Padre
You seem like you are confusing all sorts of thing, with all due respect. One has to be quite precise when one studies Prophecy, or one gets all confused. It is not that confusing, really.
You have to separate things out or you will come to all sorts of confusing conclusions which make no sense. If you can't make sense of Prophecy and apply it to today, in a specific way, you don't understand it imo.

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Actually, when one rightly divides the Word, there is no confusion at all.

Wish to know human nature?

Read Proverbs, internalize it, words of Wisdom herself.

Want to know the general nature of individuals..hello Astrology.

posted August 27, 2012 09:12 PM            

Do you know what will happen next in the world? Do you know what will happen next in the Middle east? If your answer is no, or a fuzzy answer, you don't know Prophecy as you should know.

God told us we could know these things and not in a fuzzy, esoteric way, in a real world, practical way.

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posted August 27, 2012 09:16 PM            

Do tell Ami A, who are the true descendants of Abraham?

Are they from blood or?

Paul did mention this, Grant Jeffries et al, find it uhm..not worth taking the time to mention..

posted August 27, 2012 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
First, let me ask you, then I'll respond

Do tell Ami A, who are the true descendants of Abraham?

Are they from blood or?

Paul did mention this, Grant Jeffries et al, find it uhm..not worth taking the time to mention..

An

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See, just by this question, I know you have flaky theology. The Bible is very clear, if people read it, as it is stated and without their own agendas. Do you have an agenda that you don't want the Jews to be the true descendants of Abe?

IF you have this agenda( which is a complete error) you will never understand Prophecy.

You will have to make everything convoluted in order to throw the Jews out. That is not accurate Prophecy, my friend.

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posted August 27, 2012 09:47 PM            

Simple question, you know the answer, it is Bible 101 stuff, and one wanders into accusation of confusion.

This on a thread that states, a yr ago, the "rapture" is near?

Are you seeing a problem here?

posted August 27, 2012 09:51 PM            

In the next age, God will turn his attention back to Israel( the Jews) and all Israel will be saved.

The reason people don't understand the Bible is that they want to throw out the Jews.
You might want to but you can't or you get mush. I mean, you talk mush and I talk simple, easy to understand prophecy that talks about real world events.

You can't throw out Israel. You can't make anyone else a descendent of Abe.

It s bogus to do that as much you you may want to.

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posted August 27, 2012 09:54 PM            

Who are the true descendants of Abraham per Paul?

posted August 27, 2012 09:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Not what I asked AA.

Who are the true descendants of Abraham per Paul?

Really is simple..

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What do you mean? Per Paul?

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posted August 27, 2012 09:59 PM            

This is a fairly simple question.

I simply must expand on this:

The Most High said as a cluster of grapes with some good, some bad, so do not toss away the entire cluster.

That is the Sheyareeth, the remnant, those whom the Most High decided long ago, though they do not recognize Christ as Messiah, he shall be there for them.

The Eklekos..the very elect..are in a similar position.

I shall never begrudge the Remnant for being the iris of God's eye, HE does what he does, I do hold it against false, malformed, morons who mislead the tenderist of Sheep.

They muddy the waters were there should be a pure spring for them to drink from (Ezekiel), I'm enjoined from despising them, however, of all the things in this world that gets my Scorpio Mars up..they are one of them.

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posted August 27, 2012 10:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The word"True descendents" is a Replacement Theology term. Many Christians want to replace the church with Israel. It will make the Bible all screwy and make no sense. That is why I understood a simple thing like Jesus came to fufill the Law and Juni did not. She was surprised.
I can understand the Bible from the first word to the last because I don't have an agenda. I take what it says and don't have to twist it.
The people who are Replacement Theology will never, ever be able to do that.
Your theology is obtuse because you have Replacement Theology, I am quite certain.

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Hmm, you cannot have it both ways.

How about another "rapture next yr" thread, surely that will draw many to Christ.

posted August 27, 2012 10:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Once again Ami A, who did Paul say were the true descendants of Abraham?

This is a fairly simple question.

I simply must expand on this:

The Most High said as a cluster of grapes with some good, some bad, so do not toss away the entire cluster.

That is the Sheyareeth, the remnant, those whom the Most High decided long ago, though they do not recognize Christ as Messiah, he shall be there for them.

The Eklekos..the very elect..are in a similar position.

I shall never begrudge the Remnant for being the iris of God's eye, HE does what he does, I do hold it against false, malformed, morons who mislead the tenderist of Sheep.

They muddy the waters were there should be a pure spring for them to drink from (Ezekiel), I'm enjoined from despising them, however, of all the things in this world that gets my Scorpio Mars up..they are one of them.

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This whole thing makes so sense. I have deal with things in an up front way. If you can't explain the Bible in a simple way, you don't understand it. If you don't understand it, you usually have the agenda of wanting to do Replacement Theology. Anyhoo, good luck to you

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posted August 27, 2012 10:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The Jews are the Jews in the Bible, Padre. You can monkey with it all you want. The Jews came down from Abe to Jesus to Paul and all the rest which includes all the writers of the NT ( except maybe Luke)
The Gentiles are grafted in to the Jewish line.
You have to make a whole round about bog to get around that.

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Grrrh!

Wrong, wrong, wrong

The true Sons of Abraham are those with faith, put down the craptacular pseudo stuff and read the Word for onesself AA!

In Roman times an adopted son could not be disowned, a blood son could be..

Ask one of those dummies whose books one seem enamored with about it..

Gosh, they may be using you..naaah..

posted August 27, 2012 10:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The Jews are the Jews in the Bible, Padre. You can monkey with it all you want. The Jews came down from Abe to Jesus to Paul and all the rest which includes all the writers of the NT ( except maybe Luke)
The Gentiles are grafted in to the Jewish line.
You have to make a whole round about bog to get around that.

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Uhm, yeah, one does realize that "Jews" is a hellenized version of "Juda"..right?

My goodness, original term for the 12 tribes is Hebaru..ie..pretty much wandering mercenaries.

posted August 27, 2012 10:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:
Grrrh!

Wrong, wrong, wrong

The true Sons of Abraham are those with faith, put down the craptacular pseudo stuff and read the Word for onesself AA!

In Roman times an adopted son could not be disowned, a blood son could be..

Ask one of those dummies whose books one seem enamored with about it..

Gosh, they may be using you..naaah..

Where is your discernment AA?

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Padre
We need to parse out things. YES, the true child of God has faith but you can't throw out the Jews with that! I mean, sorry. You can't.

The Bible is a Jewish Book, written by Jews. Jesus is a Jew. Paul is a Jew. The Gentiles are grafted in but Romans tells you NOT to throw out the Jews. You are admonished not to try to monkey around with words so you can do that.
You are Replacement Theology. It is bogus. The Bible will forever be a Jewish book. You can make it in YOUR image but it will never be that.

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posted August 27, 2012 10:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Uhm, yeah, one does realize that "Jews" is a hellenized version of "Juda"..right?

My goodness, original term for the 12 tribes is Hebaru..ie..pretty much wandering mercenaries.

Nah, pile on to oneself what sounds best in one's ear AA..

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You got the whole thing twisted like a game of Twister. I am done. You are Replacement Theology. It is a pure bogus thing made up by people who wanted to throw out Israel.
God said when He would be done with Israel--When the stars fell from the Heavens. That means never. God Luck to you, Padre.

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posted August 27, 2012 10:23 PM            

G Jefferies, Lindsey et al

This thread is more or less a failure, there was no rapture, does this draw people to Christ and HIS love, or make us foolish?

posted August 27, 2012 10:26 PM            

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Let me ask you:

G Jefferies, Lindsey et al

This thread is more or less a failure, there was no rapture, does this draw people to Christ and HIS love, or make us foolish?

try reading the Word, and love you and all I have is yours.

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You have all parts of the Bible screwed up. You confuse groups of people. You confuse ages and time periods. You make the Bible, which is THE most cogent book in the world, into a literal mess. In itself, it makes the clearest sense of any book on earth from the first word to the last. The error is in YOU, not in the Bible.

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posted August 27, 2012 10:47 PM            

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Originally posted by oneruledbymars:
The error is this thread Ami...there was no rapture hon.

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It is in the future ORBM. Anyhoo
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posted August 28, 2012 02:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You have all parts of the Bible screwed up. You confuse groups of people. You confuse ages and time periods. You make the Bible, which is THE most cogent book in the world, into a literal mess. In itself, it makes the clearest sense of any book on earth from the first word to the last. The error is in YOU, not in the Bible.

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Let me know when you get around to what the "bible" (which does not mean what you think it means) says

My sister in Christ, you've been deceived....

Done with this one

posted August 28, 2012 04:04 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Fellow left-behinders , I am honored to have your company . We can make our own heaven on earth.

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That should be our goal. A realization which only truly hit me after a NDE.

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