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RegardesPlatero
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posted August 28, 2012 05:38 AM
  
If I may make a suggestion, I think that it might be more connecting to call schools of thought by their recognized names rather than other terms, and/or to describe different views in more neutral ways. For example, I listed in the links different approaches to Revelation: e.g., preterist, historicist, idealist, futurist. Those terms are neutral--simply explaining what something is and means, nothing more. I think that this would be helpful. It's just a suggestion and an idea that I have, but I think that would be something worth considering.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 28, 2012 09:23 AM
Well, I am talking about Replacement Theology which many churches use in which they replace the church with Israel. If people do this, the Bible becomes not understandable. It would like like wanting to understand how a car works but having to pretend there is no engine.
Many main line Protestant denominations do this. Hence, no one understands the Bible.I understand the Bible from the first word to the last. I understand prophecy, in a practical way. I can answer a question whether it comes from the OT or the NT. The Bible is one unified book to me. It holds together with no contradictions from the first word to the last.
No one who replaces the Church with Israel can do more than pick at undigestable bones in the hopes of getting a meal. ------------------
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juniperb
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posted August 28, 2012 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by charmainec:
That should be our goal.  A realization which only truly hit me after a NDE.
You are Blessed to have an NDE. I see them as "gifts"  Padre, I admire your kindness and patience.  ORMB, looks like the party has been put off til next year.  ------------------
We dance around the ring and suppose, but the secret sits in the middle and Knows
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oneruledbymars
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posted August 28, 2012 01:38 PM
*grabbing some popcorn*
Im cool with that Juni...gives me more time to help people here on Gaia just in case the rapture doesn't happen.  ------------------
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Emeraldopal
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posted August 28, 2012 01:51 PM
We are here..
to bring Peace on Earth...no one is excluded,
all are equal ..for God only enters
into equal partnerships. ... Pax et Bonum... . 1,000 years of peace
to allow all to Ascend,
if they so choose, Free Wi11... a near death experience..
and recalling past body temples
and lives, allows you to SEE
TRUTH! KNOW THYSELF ------------------
All my love, with all my Heart
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charmainec
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posted August 29, 2012 04:17 AM
There's enough "time" to extend our hearts and hands to those in need and prune mamma Earth to attain the ultimate goal of having Heaven on Earth.Even enough time to enjoy some popcorn. ------------------
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shura
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posted August 29, 2012 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by charmainec:
That should be our goal. A realization which only truly hit me after a NDE.
Hope for Christ's return in the flesh is an Ahrimanic deception. The fundamentalist's dream of The Rapture is Luciferic in nature. There is no escape. There is no free ride. What there is, is a good deal of spiritual work to be done - right here in the earthly sphere. Christ is the fulcrum between flesh and spirit.
"The spiritual challenge of our time is to realize our sacred humanness, the reconciliation of the existential and spiritual worlds, of a complex, individuated self and a dimension of Self as the Source of Being. The challenge of our time is to realize that there need not be a conflict between the natural and the supernatural, between the finite and the infinite, between time and eternity, between practicality and mysticism, between social justice and contemplation, between sexuality and spirituality, between our human fulfillment and our spiritual realization, between what is most human and what is most sacred."
~Kabir Helminski, The Knowing Heart
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juniperb
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posted August 29, 2012 06:34 PM
Looks like I should get to know Helminski quote:
Hope for Christ's return in the flesh is an Ahrimanic deception. The fundamentalist's dream of The Rapture is Luciferic in nature. There is no escape. There is no free ride. What there is, is a good deal of spiritual work to be done - right here in the earthly sphere. Christ is the fulcrum between flesh and spirit.
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Ami Anne
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posted August 29, 2012 07:34 PM
We shall see, ladies. Only time will tell  ------------------
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shura
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posted August 29, 2012 08:13 PM
Helminski is co-director ...
http://sufism.org/ Goes w/o saying that the The Knowing Heart is fully consistent with esoteric Christian teaching. In fact, you might say Helminski is a true Christian.  Dig down deep, deeper until roots intermingle and become one. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 29, 2012 11:09 PM
The Bible says that the wheat( true Christians) exist next to the tares( false Christians). God will separate the two. He is God and we are men, so all will be sorted out by Him. Praise the Lord ------------------
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posted August 30, 2012 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by shura:
Hope for Christ's return in the flesh is an Ahrimanic deception. The fundamentalist's dream of The Rapture is Luciferic in nature. There is no escape. There is no free ride. What there is, is a good deal of spiritual work to be done - right here in the earthly sphere. Christ is the fulcrum between flesh and spirit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePKFbLzmfNI  IP: Logged |
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posted August 30, 2012 12:27 AM
I know more Christians that arent actually Christians than I do "true Christians". Or those that consider themselves that.It's the ones that don't proclaim it and instead live it, that you can trust. IP: Logged |
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posted August 30, 2012 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by shura:
Goes w/o saying that the The Knowing Heart is fully consistent with esoteric Christian teaching. In fact, you might say Helminski is a true Christian. Dig down deep, deeper until roots intermingle and become one.
I erased a long rant a few days ago that went into this because it's not worth it. Anyway, I appreciate you stopping by and sharing what you do. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 30, 2012 08:19 AM
I appreciate all your points of view. I love that we are in a free society which can speak( unlike many other societies which would kill people for a discussion like ours)Blessings to you all  ------------------
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charmainec
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posted August 30, 2012 11:11 AM
Thank you, for the info, Shura. ------------------
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athenegoddess
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posted August 30, 2012 12:34 PM
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juniperb
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posted August 30, 2012 01:12 PM
shura, I am more familiar with the Qadiriya - 'Abd al-Qadir Jilani order but no matter. It is all one.todays bowl of saki
Human beings living in their shells are mostly unaware of the privilege of life and so are unthankful to the Giver of it. In order to see the grace of God man must open his eyes and raise his head from his little world. Then he will see -- above and below, to the right and the left, before and behind -- the grace of God reaching him from everywhere in abundance.
Teachings, Hazrat Inayat Khan
In ancient times many have tried to help the imagination of those who sought goodness by teaching them belief in Satan, saying that God is all goodness and Satan all badness. This was in order to explain to those who could not understand where badness came from. In reality badness is only the shadow of goodness; and as a shadow is non-existent so evil is nonexistent.
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We dance around the ring and suppose, but the secret sits in the middle and Knows
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juniperb
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posted August 30, 2012 04:17 PM
I enjoyed your poofed post athene ------------------
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RegardesPlatero
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posted August 30, 2012 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, I am talking about Replacement Theology which many churches use in which they replace the church with Israel. If people do this, the Bible becomes not understandable. It would like like wanting to understand how a car works but having to pretend there is no engine.
Many main line Protestant denominations do this. Hence, no one understands the Bible.I understand the Bible from the first word to the last. I understand prophecy, in a practical way. I can answer a question whether it comes from the OT or the NT. The Bible is one unified book to me. It holds together with no contradictions from the first word to the last.
No one who replaces the Church with Israel can do more than pick at undigestable bones in the hopes of getting a meal.
It isn't that people "don't understand", though. It's that the Bible is very complex and people understand it differently. I myself am Protestant, so it doesn't bother me that people see it differently. Each (reasonable) perspective, to me, is another layer--another part of the puzzle. To use an analogy that's a bit frivolous, but not intended to be blasphemous (just meant to keep things light-hearted), it's like this awesome layer cake. Each layer is different, but delicious. The cake would not be the same without the layers. Different layers, different flavors, same cake. But, we may have to peacefully disagree on this one; I really don't want to start a fight, as you have been kind on other sections of LL and try to help people. So, that's just my own (Protestant) view of things, just to give the other side. I'm noticing that I use a lot of food analogies lol. That's my Cancer moon for ya.  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 30, 2012 06:47 PM
There are no fights. I am here for a resource for anyone who finds value in how I see the Bible. The Bible tells us to be ready to share and explain it, as a craftsman with his line of work. As such, I come from that place. In reality, I really, really hate to debate about religion.
I just want to be God's servant and do what he has proscribed in the Bible, as I see it.
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shura
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posted August 31, 2012 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The Bible says that the wheat( true Christians) exist next to the tares( false Christians). God will separate the two. He is God and we are men, so all will be sorted out by Him. Praise the Lord
The Wheat and the Chaff is a rich allegory offering many layers of meaning. I don't believe the Christ rejects any individual spirit. Christ calls forth. Both wheat and chaff exist within us all and, indeed, God will separate the two. If we submit to the often painful process of sorting, the chaff within us will fall away. Psyche must sort and separate her seeds before she is reunited with Love. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 31, 2012 01:20 PM
I believe in the Bible, Shura. I take what God says, seriously and literally.As such, you and I speak a different language, with all due respect. ------------------
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juniperb
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posted January 19, 2013 01:04 PM
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Hope for Christ's return in the flesh is an Ahrimanic deception. The fundamentalist's dream of The Rapture is Luciferic in nature. There is no escape. There is no free ride. What there is, is a good deal of spiritual work to be done - right here in the earthly sphere. Christ is the fulcrum between flesh and spirit.
Contemplating Ahrimanic deception of late and opening my eyes to the purpose of it and fundlmentalism. How one bred the other. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted January 19, 2013 01:42 PM
Juni
I have said this before and I say it respectfully. You have Replacement Theology, which many of the denominational churches do. The Church is used to replace Israel. They believe God is done with the Jews. Having to believe this makes a great deal of the Bible impossible to understand because it simply does not make sense if you take out the Jews AS the Jews.That is why you do not understand prophecy, imho ------------------
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