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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 06:53 AM
  
The land of Isreal was deeded to the Jews in the Old Testament,LC
I can find the verses and write them here.
All the Middle East land was deeded to various groups.The actual group is named ,also.Some names are still in existence such as Persia and Egypt.Some you have to know the ancestry to identify but you can identity each of the various people and to whom EACH piece of land was deeded.
Much of it WAS deeded to the various groups of Arab people.The Arab people's got the majority of land in the Middle East,according to the Bible,I am quite sure.
It is VERY clear what was deeded to whom.
There are maps which even show this.
I will get this information,later,LC.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 07:05 AM
Also, the borders and boundaries of each piece of land for EACH group is clearly delineated by use of natural landscape such as rivers.
It is a very PRECISE delineation,not loose.------------------
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LEXX
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posted April 27, 2011 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by juniperb:
Ami Anne, I have , under discpline, studied the Holy Texts. Including the Quran. It appears WL is a Muslim so he can speak on your specific postings.The Holy Bible and Quran is said to be divinely inspired. On that I believe is a general agreement. I found in my studies, it is wisest to look at the similarities instead of any opposition.  Both speak of what is righteous conduct according to the historical times and cultures . Yet, both both speak of God/Allah`s love, mercy,forgiveness and the Path to righteous living. I find the Abrahamic Faiths get hung up on the cultures and era`s rather than the Divine messages they contain. In my heart, there is room for both Holy Texts . I do hope you continue sharing as it is a learning experience for us Just my 2 cents
Thank you juniperb 
Very good relevant points! 
And;
Yes WL is a good person to discuss this topic with.
I feel there is room for all here to calmly discuss and learn from each other. 
WL 
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 11:41 AM
. The Bible tells us that God gave Abraham and his descendents the land of Israel,as defined below .
' Numbers 34: 1 ADONAI told Moshe 2 to give this order to the people of Isra'el: "When you enter the land of Kena'an, it will become your land to pass on as an inheritance, the land of Kena'an as defined by these borders. 3 "Your southern portion will extend from the Tzin Desert close to the border of Edom. The eastern terminus of your southern border is at the end of the Dead Sea. 4 From there your border turns, goes south of the 'Akrabbim Ascent and passes on to Tzin. From there it goes south of Kadesh-Barnea, on to Hatzar-Adar, and on to 'Atzmon. 5 Then the border turns and goes from 'Atzmon to the Vadi of Egypt and along it to the Sea. 6 "Your western border will be the Great Sea. 7 "Your northern border will be as follows: from the Great Sea mark a line to Mount Hor, 8 and from Mount Hor mark a line to the entrance of Hamat. The border goes out to Tz'dad. 9 Then the border goes to Zifron and finally to Hatzar-'Einan; this is your northern border. 10 "For the eastern border mark your line from Hatzar-'Enan to Sh'fam. 11 Then the border goes down from Sh'fam to Rivlah, on the east side of 'Ayin, then down until it hits the slope east of Lake Kinneret. 12 From there it goes down the Yarden River till it flows into the Dead Sea. These will be the borders of your land." 13 Moshe gave this order to the people of Isra'el: "This is the land in which you will receive inheritances by lot, which ADONAI has ordered to give to the nine tribes and the half-tribe. 14 The tribe of the descendants of Re'uven have already received their land for inheritance according to their clans, and so have the descendants of Gad and the half-tribe of M'nasheh. 15 These two-and-a-half tribes have received their inheritance on this side of the Yarden, across from Yericho and eastward, toward the sunrise. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 11:47 AM
Now I will say this VERY CLEARLY.
Much of the land in the Middle East WAS given to the various Arab people's according to the Bible.
God loves the descendents of Ishamael,the Arab people as much as God loves the descendents of Isaac,the Jewish people.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 11:49 AM
I will try to find the maps where it shows which land was give to whom if I can.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 11:56 AM
I took out a confusing Bible verse.I can put it back in.It said God gave the Jews the lands of the Hittites,Jebusites ,etc etc etc
This is actual land that is there ,now,which can be translated to modern terms.
The Bible clearly lays out what was given to Ishameal too,such as all of Egypt and much,much more.
I just need to find it.------------------
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LEXX
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posted April 27, 2011 02:43 PM
I am not going to get into all this;
but do find it deplorable that their so called "god" gave them land that already belonged to other cultures/people and told them to basically pillage rape murder to get it.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by LEXX:
I am not going to get into all this;
but do find it deplorable that their so called "god" gave them land that already belonged to other cultures/people and told them to basically pillage rape murder to get it.
That is ridiculous Lexx. It is totally ridiculous.
At the time Israel was born as a state England owned that land.
All land on earth changes hands during war and various political things.
We,in the US were owned by Britan so where does your argument go?
With all due respect,it seems totally silly to me. I do say this with respect to YOU,Lexx.
I want to educate people.That might sound pretentious to you and to anyone else but that is my reason for writing.
Blessings Lexx ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 03:09 PM
Lexx
As I said,England owned Palestine.It was the home to various nomadic people to a large extent,not an actual country. After the Holocaust,England agreed to divide up Palestine in to two parts.ONE part was for the Palestinians.
ONE part was for the Jews. The Arabs had first pick.They chose the biggest and best land.
The Jews got what was left over. The Palestinian state IS Jordan. WHY do they want Isreal? Because they do.
There are a number of reasons.Some I will go in to.Some I won't.
However,that is the how's of Israel and the Palestinians . ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 03:14 PM
My larger issue for writing is that the Bible says that there will be terrible persecution of the Jews in the end times.
We are coming to the end times,if not already IN them.
The end times persecution of the Jews will make Hitler look like a camp counselor,I have read.
It is very scary. Maybe,I can touch one person.------------------
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littlecloud
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posted April 27, 2011 04:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by LEXX:
I am not going to get into all this;
but do find it deplorable that their so called "god" gave them land that already belonged to other cultures/people and told them to basically pillage rape murder to get it.
This is what I agree with...This is what I don't understand. IF Israel was deeded so long ago, in the bible as well, why did they need WWII to finally get 'their' land. Why do they kill innocent people everyday, bulldoze their homes? This is peaceful. As for the Old Testament...frankly this has nothing to do with Christ bc it's about BEFORE Christ. So I pay more attention to the New Testament. Also the fact that the bible had been written so many times is iffy. Not to mention that it was written like 100 years after Christ died...my guess is that it's been tampered. Especially with the inclusion of the Old Testament. Gentile includes all the nationalities and religions you listed. Like I said the fact that there are negative words with negative definitions for non-Jews does not sit well with me. Also...I didn't read all your posts. I don't have the patience too...It's too much for my ADD IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 04:33 PM
OK Littlecloud
The REASON the Jewish people"needed" WW2 to get Israel was because they were disobedient to God.
Being a Jew came with great blessings and great responsibilities.
They were held to a standard which they did not keep ,being human ,really.
Hence, the bad things that came to the Jewish people.
That is the reason they "needed" WW2 to "get" Israel .
Thank you for your questions,LC.I appreciate that you care to ask them.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 04:40 PM
The story of the all people in the Bible( and the Jewish people as a microcosm ) is man's disobedience and God's love.
Man,ALL men, screw up and God calls them back .
That is the single theme in the Bible that pervades all of the Bible and never changes from the first page of the Old Testament to the last page of the New Testament.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 04:51 PM
The Old Testament foretells the New Testament.It is ONE book--united,one central theme--God's calling man to Himself. The Old Testament has hundreds of phrophecies(sp?) that tell the future,many 1000' s of years prior to events happening.
THAT is the Divine imprint of God throughout the Old and New Testament---the exact foretelling of future events down to the city and the day ,in some cases. ------------------
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juniperb
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posted April 27, 2011 04:57 PM
Ami Anne, do you study the Torah or the Jubilee`s as well?------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 05:06 PM
Well,Juni
The Torah is just the first 5 books of the Old Testament.
I think the Jubilees are relief of debt every certain amount of years.I am thinking it was every hundred years but I may be wrong.
All debt ,personal and community was released at that time.
Is that what you mean,Juni?
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littlecloud
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posted April 27, 2011 05:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
My larger issue for writing is that the Bible says that there will be terrible persecution of the Jews in the end times.
We are coming to the end times,if not already IN them.
The end times persecution of the Jews will make Hitler look like a camp counselor,I have read.
It is very scary. Maybe,I can touch one person.
Just saw this...but let's ask ourselves WHY there 'will' be this persecution of Jews. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 05:44 PM
The Bible tells why.
Some things I cannot talk about on the open forum so my hands are tied to some degree in this answer.
I have to think how to word it.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 05:48 PM
Why will there be terrible persecution of the Jews in the End times?
Well, the next major political event involving Israel in the end time plan will be the Peace Treaty between Israel and her Arab neighbors. The person known as the Anti Christ will sign it.He will be a great,charismatic leader known for peace and diplomacy ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 05:50 PM
This peace treaty will usher in 3 and a half years of peace between Israel and the Arabs.
This is unknown in any time in prior history.
When this happens,it will begin what is known as the Tribulation.The first 3 and a half years are ones of peace and prosperity. After 3 and a half years,the Anti Christ will go in to the Jewish temple and declare himself to be God. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 05:53 PM
The Jews will not accept this as they are very strong about a man not being God. He,then,will turn terrible hatred on the Jews.
During this last 3 and a half years,there will be terrible events. Russia,known as Rosh in the Bible will attack Israel.
China,known as the Great Kings of the East ,will attack Israel.
These are separate events but both happening during the 3 and a half years. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 05:53 PM
The Jews will not accept this as they are very strong about a man not being God. He,then,will turn terrible hatred on the Jews.
During this last 3 and a half years,there will be terrible events. Russia,known as Rosh in the Bible will attack Israel.
China,known as the Great Kings of the East ,will attack Israel.
These are separate events but both happening during the 3 and a half years. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 05:55 PM
The Bible says ALL nations will come against Israel.
That is ALL.There will be a great battle known as the Battle of Armeggedon.
All nations,I think, will fight against tiny Israel.
Right as Israel will be defeated,Jesus will return .
He will fight with her,I think.I have to check this out.
It says blood will be so high as to come up to the horses bridles. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted April 27, 2011 05:57 PM
There will be nuclear war,too,during the Tribulation.
It says man's bones will have to be buried because of "hazards" to people. It describes nuclear war in other ways.I will have to look it up. ------------------
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