posted April 27, 2011 06:21 PM            

Ummm no. Israel is a Zionist state. What has kept Israel alive is money.

When I say Israel I do not mean the people. I mean the state. I believe this is who the bible says everyone will fight against. The STATE, not the people. Just the Zionists, because frankly, they have destroyed the world.

posted April 27, 2011 07:20 PM            

My apologies for the delay...
I was in NYC for a jaunt (Picasso at MOMA)
and returned here to discuss your topic...

ZIONISM.

Deep breath....."Sigh"

In such the short time,
it seems this topic has ignited
into a discussion of the Bible and Judaism?
...ending up in Divine Diversities?

I laughed at it's re-Placement,
as it most likely belongs in" Global Unity..."
where strong opinions and personal attachment
to a "belief" sentiment belong;
for debate, banter and passionate absolutism;
resulting in hurt feelings and closed threads.

My knowing tells me
that you were, Bethcarliseh, attempting to delve into
an even more subtle Topic;
involving mass control and World Order;
as those who have attempted such research
often find "Zionism" at it's core these days.

As I stated initially,
this is certainly a can seldom often opened....
at least in a public Forum to be discussed,
as most people do not even know what" Zionism" is,
never mind whom it involves and what they stand for.

I make no pretense to standUnder
all it's factions or tenets
nor do I deliberate in discussions that involve
the climate of fanatical opinions or religious in nature
for that matter,
for as "when all is said and done, more is said then done"
and people are polarized exactly in the starting point
from whence they came.....their own.

Religion has a tendency to do that.
Polarize, separate and confuse IT's followers....
far, far away from their "knowing" and
inter-dependence on One and Other
we had a long,long time ago.
(and NOT in a far away galaxy?)

All Texts, Books and Words aside....
The plot behind most "religions" today is not what IT seems.
Or what it was originally devised for...

All of Us
share only two things in common:

Life. and....Love.

All else and it's "dogma" has caused Mankind
to miss it's message, dig in and take a stance and "side"
while taking our I off the ball
and what really matters...
Life and Love.

That being said,
With a Never Ending Pursuit for Truth and Wholeness,
The doors of perception
I have opened in the half century
I have occupied this Planet I call hOMe,
have taken me down some pretty Strange paths to this end.
I make no pretense to know IT at All
Nor do I care to indulge in the "Who What Where and When"
To me, it seems like a waste
of the small, precious Time I have hear
to do what my knowing tells me....
to Live and to Love!

I do not need any commandments to tell me that.
No do I need Be-Attitudes to reMind me...

It just seems like common sense to me,
as long as I can reMember.
No brainer.

HOWEVER....

I have not always thought this Way.

In my youth,
while most were watching sports,
debating politics,
arguing union contracts,
selling insurance,
peddling products,
running in the Human Race,
trying desperately to "find" them Selves in the Whirled and "make their mark" or "get over their childhood"....
I was studying everything mentioned above
in all the religious history I could find.....
as I knew the deep implications and stronghold
"Belief" had on Humans
and it's effects on our Psyche and our outlook of
"who Am I?" and "how did I get here?"
Why is the Whirled so screwed up?
Eden? Paradise? The "fall of Man?"
"Original Sin???"
What???

Non-Sense was my answer.
All this study was nonsense to me
whilst seconds, hours, days, years!
ticked off the clock.

Religion answered none of this for me.
Nada. Zilch. Nothing....
The too many circumlocution and ambiguous answers
that were left in me with enormous gaping holes of
thousands of more questions that were only answered with
"being faithful and obeying".

My apologies to anyone offended hear...
I intend no inferences or insinuations,
as it is my Aquarian nature that will never settle
for such diatribe of convenience.
Especially in the face of all the turmoil
"religion" has and continues to cause
at this very VERY MOMENT. As we type.
Here and in every corner of the Planet....
(with possibly the exception of some indigenous Tribes nestled safely in some remote Rainforest somewhere
I hope to find before the developers do )

Bringing me to Case in Point....

THE ZIONISTS.

Whereupon the conventional doors of perception
have been opened, questioned, studied and questioned again,
my path has led me to the scenes behind the curtain...
a place many call "conspiracy" or" alternative" thinking,
it has led me to science and it's perceptions,
it has led me to question anything and anyone
that doesn't serve me as a Living, Loving Human....
which is what I aspire to Be,
all the Time. Or at least when I am not thinking....

This Road Less Traveled
has brought to Light many dis-Coveries
that are Quite foreign to me,
queer as to what has been "taught" to me.
uncomfortable ideas that have led me
to dig deeper , probe further,
abandon my safe house and "litter box".
While not swallowing any blue pills or drinking any Kool-Aid
I seek the Truth in all IT's forms....
and listen to Every One.
As everyone has their perception and story.
Some more than others though.

Below is information
that may help in this particular discussion...
as most people do not know what "Zionism" is.
And in today's climate of relentless scourge and holy wars...
No one seems to want to know or discuss such matters.
We just "wish" it away and believe what we were taught,
blaming the "other guy" for our plight.

I found this on the Web and it was interesting,informative
and eye opening to say the least...
It is not an endorsement or allegiance to the writer or the article;
although I find him to be quite vigilant
in his short "time" here to a Cause;
much unlike the rest of us who
"go with the flow of what we know"
and say "whaddayagonnado?"
but an outsiders view on the creation of Zionism.

Check it out... it may and I hope help bring to the table
some constructive questions and discussions
that may help us to SPIRAL onward and upward!
To One People.
On One planet.
Once and for ALL.....

DISCLAIMER!:
I realize this is sensitive information
and NOT for everyone's eyes...
Take it "For what it's worth" or at it's face value.
We are all adults here
"seeking the Truth...."
no matter where it may Be found or by whom.

It is one perspective, but certainly a very interesting one...
http://www.davidicke.com/articles/political-manipulation-mainmenu-72/42734-they-dare-not-speak-its-name-rothschild-zionism

posted April 27, 2011 07:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well,if you think people will get angry at THAT,PS, try talking about Zionism

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posted April 27, 2011 09:12 PM            

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The Protocols were from an earlier writings.

A version of them appeared in 1864 in France in a book titled "Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu or the Politics Machiavelli in the Nineteenth Century by a Comtemporary. Anonymously written by Maurice Joly.

In the mid 1890`s it was rewritten with anti Semitic material. Objective? To relieve public pressure on the Czar by portraying Russian revolutionaries as pawns of a Jewish conspiracy.

So the Protocols have been 'in the light' since at least 1864.

Lots of excellent info in "Rule by Secrecy" by Jim Marrs.

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posted April 27, 2011 10:11 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
bethcarliseh, are you asking about

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion or the plethora of ideologies encompassing Zionism?

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