posted May 11, 2008 11:50 PM              

Begin by taking the Star Charts and using the very Star Globe program that is used by NASA. Then we calculated the Birth of Jesus in accordance with the Star Knowledge of the MEDIWEWAN, where it is said you enter this plane upon your star and you leave when the heavens are in the same pattern, meaning that you leave upon your star.

We are told from the Bible that the three wisemen came from the East and followed a huge star that appeared over Bethlehem. What star could have been so large as to stand out in the manner recorded at the time of the birthing of Jesus? The coordinates given to us in Mathew, where Herod, upon hearing of the birth of a King, asks his counsil what the positions of the stars were, left us a clue.

FROM THE BOOK OF MATHEW
2: 1 In the days of Herod the King, behold there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2: 2 saying, where is he that is born King of the Jews?
2: 4 And he gathered all of the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where the Christ should be born.
2: 5 And they said unto him in Bethlehem of Judaea:
2: 7 then Herod, when he had the privily called the wise men , inquired of them diligently what Time the Star appeared.
2: 9 When they had heard the King, they departed; and, Lo, the Star, which they say in the east.

STAR GLOBE MAPS - AFFIRMATION OF THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM AND THE ASCENSION IN JERUSALEM
Looking at the Star Globe Map 1(which i can not post here) towards the East, in the city of Bethlehem at 51.2 degrees off the horizon, in the year 5 BC...BEHOLD! We witness a double star as Regulus aligns with Venus descending in the heavens. Thus it would have appeared as a singular and very large, conspicuous illuminated star in the heavens -- The Star of Bethlehem.

The wise men would have been educated in this star knowledge for they were of the Melchezidec school. "Where is is said that you enter this plane upon your star..." Entering upon the descent at the Birth of Jesus on September 15th, 5BC at 3AM.
This pattern is not seen again,nor has it been seen since that time. On March 28th 28AD at 2:15 PM over Jerusalem when Jesus Ascended, we look at Star Globe Map 2, we see that the patterns are identical to those seen over Bethlehem at the Birth -- with one sigualr exception... Venus has Ascended.
"and you leave when the Heavens are in the same pattern, meaning you leave upon your star."

Looking towards the East from the Horizon Point from each location, Bethlehem and Jerusalem are at a 51.2 degree angle(the same angle as the Great Pyramid).
Summary
1)Birth..Venus and Regulus are perfectly aligned...so if one were looking from the ground, they would see 2 stars as one very large star!
2) Ascension...you will note all the stars align as the same as the Date of Birth. This does not occur again anywhere in time checking back and foreward 5,000 years!! The only difference is that the Dawn Star(Venus) has Ascended!

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JESUS AND THE 3-6-9 MYSTERY
Born in the 9th month under the Sign of Virgo the Virgin..the 15th day which equals a 6...15 represents the Magician and 6 vibrated to Venus the planet of Love...and 3 am which vibrates to Jupiter/Zeus the Supreme God of the Heavens..3 also representing the Holy Trinity...
NOW his name...
J E S U S O F N A Z A R E T H
1 5 3 6 3 7 8 5 1 7 1 2 5 4 5
18=9 15=6 30=3

posted October 12, 2008 03:14 PM            

In the Book of Luke when Jesus is asked "where wilt thou that we prepare?" concerning the Kingdom of the New Age of Jesus's return, Jesus says to follow a man "bearing a pitcher of water" into the house he enters. In Astrology, a man bearing a pitcher of water symbolizes the coming of the Age of Aquarius and is known as "the water bearer". In Astrology, the Age of Aquarius comes directly after the Age of Pisces.

Ages are believed by some to affect mankind. For Aquarius (also called "the Water bearer"), it is reported we have already been feeling influences - titled Orb of influence (the last ten degrees backwards of the Age of Pisces) - in the accelerated individual, social, cultural, scientific and technological development and globalization through the 20th century. This view is consistent with the popular notion of the New Age movement that regards current times as the "dawning of the Aquarian Age".

On the other hand, the Aquarian Age is thought to bring with it an era of universal brotherhood rooted in reason where it will be possible to solve social problems in a manner equitable to all and with greater opportunity for intellectual and spiritual improvement, since Aquarius is an airy, scientific, and intellectual sign and its ruler planet, Uranus, is associated with intuition (knowledge above reason) and direct perceptions of the heart; and on the mundane level it rules electricity and technology. It is generally described by astrologers that in the Age of Aquarius there will be a blending of religion and science to such a degree that a religious science and a scientific religion will be formed.

Eastern astrology associates the Age of Pisces with the yin; i.e., spirituality and intuition. Aquarius, on the other hand represents the yang, with its emphasis on rationality and high technology.

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posted October 12, 2008 03:15 PM            

Bethlehem, Galilee is a city of the Zebulun, mentioned first in Joshua 19:15. It is located about ten kilometres west-north-west of Nazareth.

At first it was simply named "Beth Lehem", which confused it with the Bethlehem near Jerusalem, which is much better known today. To solve this problem some scripts refer to the two as "Beth Lehem of the Judea (tribe) territory" and "Beth Lehem of the Zebulun territory".

Herod Archelaus (23 BC–c. AD 18) was the ethnarch of Samaria, Judea, and Idumea from 4 BC to AD 6. He was the son of Herod the Great and Malthace, the brother of Herod Antipas, and the half-brother of Herod Philip.

Archelaus received the kingdom of Judea by the last will of his father, though a previous will had bequeathed it to his brother Antipas. He was proclaimed king by the army, but declined to assume the title until he had submitted his claims to Caesar Augustus in Rome. Before setting out, he quelled with the utmost cruelty a sedition of the Pharisees, slaying nearly three thousand of them. In Rome he was opposed by Antipas and by many of the Jews, who feared his cruelty; but in 4 BC Augustus allotted to him the greater part of the kingdom (Samaria, Judea, and Idumea) with the title of ethnarch.

He married Glaphyra, the widow of his brother Alexander, though his wife and her second husband, Juba, king of Mauretania, were alive. This violation of the Mosaic law and his continued cruelty roused the Jews, who complained to Augustus. Archelaus was deposed in the year 6 and banished to Vienne in Gaul; Judea became a Roman province.

In the Bible, Archelaus is mentioned in the story of the Flight into Egypt of the Gospel of Matthew, and the Parable of the talents in the Gospel of Luke probably refers to his journey to Rome. His slaughter of the 3000 may also have been the source for the narrative of the Massacre of the Innocents, confusing Archelaus with his father, Herod the Great.

Though many readers follow the author of Matthew in identifying a prophetic allusion from Jeremiah 31:15, others see this episode as expressly crafted for the purpose of recording apparently fulfilled prophecy. The Massacre of the Innocents is not mentioned in the other gospels nor in the early apocrypha, nor in any other historic record of the era, and most scholars see it as a fabrication based on artistic license. Noticably, Josephus, a major historian of the time, was vehemently anti-Herod in his writings, but this massacre, perhaps Herod's greatest crime, is not even hinted at in Josephus' writings.

Josephus does record Herod's execution of two of his sons by his wife Marianme because he believed they posed a threat. (The Jewish War (I.535–7) and Jewish Antiquities (16.121–7, 356). The episode was notorious and heavily displeased Herod's patrons in Rome, and it would be expected that a massacre of further children would have been even more notorious and even more upsetting to Rome, but Rome reports not a sound about the existence of such a massacre. The execution of the two sons, who Josephus describes as young men, has been represented by Robert Eisenman as the original that inspired the account in Matthew, since his two sons were the Jewish children that Herod thought had sought to replace him.

Herod's murder of his own sons certainly points to Herod having deep-seated suspicion and jealousy, and some apologists have used this to argue that Matthew's portrayal of a Massacre of Innocents is historically plausible. (Witherington 2001 p. 71). Josephus records several examples of Herod’s willingness to commit such acts to protect his power against perceived threats, but suggests that not all such acts were recorded, as he summarizes that Herod “never stopped avenging and punishing every day those who had chosen to be of the party of his enemies.” Antiquities 15.2. Nevertheless, Josephus is vehemently anti-Herod in his writings about the period, and would be expected to have mentioned something that could constitute a major attack on Herod's character, such as the killing of hundreds of very young children.

Some apologists have argued that due to the small region involved, the massacre would not have been a particularly large atrocity for the period in general and thus might have escaped mention by Josephus and others. However, Herod Archelaus, Herod the Great's son and successor in Judah, is recorded in several historic sources as massacring some 3000 (adult) rebels shortly after he came to power, a number similar to that expected for Herod, or only one order of magnitude less, so it is certain that the numbers involved in the massacre that Matthew claims existed would be close to being noticed. It is also possible that Matthew had confused Herod the Great with Herod Archelaus, and confused the adults for children.

The earliest extrabiblical reference to the Massacre of the Innocents is by Ambrosius Theodosius Macrobius, a Roman philosopher of the 4th century. The reference is found in Macrobius’ The Saturnalia:

When Augustus heard that Herod king of the Jews had ordered all the boys in Syria under the age of two years to be put to death and that the king's son was among those killed, he said, "I'd rather be Herod's pig than Herod’s son." -Macrobius, The Saturnalia, trans. Percival Davies (New York 1969), page 171.
It was probably a pun in Greek: hus being pig and huios meaning son. Unlike Matthew, Macrobius places the massacre in a Syrian province and combines it with the separate killing of one of Herod's sons. Palestine was considered a Syrian province during Roman occupation and could justify Macrobius' use of Syria. Because of Macrobius’ conflation of two different accounts and the fact that he shows no other signs of dependence on Matthew, New Testament scholar Paul Barnett has posited that Macrobius was relying on an independent source. (Barnett 1993 p. 103). However, given the popularity of Matthew among Christians, the spread of Christianity by that time, and the late date in which Macrobius wrote, Raymond E. Brown conclude that Macrobius' reference is derivative of the Matthean account, though not directly dependent on it.

The prophecy of Jeremiah
The massacre of the innocents is explained by Matthew as fulfilling a prophecy of an old testament prophet, which most ancient manuscripts of Matthew identify as Jeremiah, but the Old Syriac Sinaiticus manuscript has it being Isaiah. The quotation is clearly based on Jeremiah 31:15, so identifying the quote as from Isaiah is a clear error, though some scholars feel this error was in the original text of Matthew, as in this case preserved by the Old Syriac Sinaiticus, with the text being corrected by later copyists.

The text itself is not an exact copy of the Old Testament verse, and the passage has been taken completely out of its original context. In Jeremiah this verse is a metaphorical description of Rachel, the ancestress of the northern tribes, mourning when those tribes were taken into captivity by the Assyrians. The passage in Jeremiah was one of ultimate joy, ending by stating that God had saved the Israelites and the children would be unharmed, conflicting utterly with the destruction of Bethlehem's children in the massacre in Matthew. However in the Catholic and Orthodox churches, the slaughtered children were all proclaimed to be saints, known as the Holy Innocents, thus contriving an explanation of how the prophecy could possibly have the children as being saved.

It is true that Rachel's supposed tomb has long been associated with Bethlehem, providing a tenuous connection between the quotation and the massacre, but Jeremiah, in this quote, seems to be asserting that she was buried in Ramah, a town some five miles from Bethlehem, thus removing this tenuous connection. While Ramah could be translated as on high, Jeremiah is very clear that he is referring to a town by the name Ramah. Another difficulty with the quote is that Bethlehem is in Judah, and thus tradition held it to be descended from Leah not Rachel.

posted October 12, 2008 03:15 PM            

The second is Jesus was not his name.

Nor is Christ.

To continue:
[Middle English Crist, from Old English Crst, from Latin Chrstus, from Greek Khrstos, from khrstos, anointed, verbal adj. of khrein, to anoint; see ghri- in Indo-European roots.]

Christ is the English translation of the Greek word (Christós), which literally means The Anointed One. It translates the Hebrew word (Mašía), usually transliterated Messiah.

The word is often misunderstood to be the surname of Jesus due to the numerous mentions of Jesus Christ in the Christian Bible. The word is in fact a title, hence its common reciprocal use Christ Jesus, meaning The Anointed One, Jesus. To clarify this, Jesus is sometimes referred to as "the Man". Followers of Jesus became known as Christians because they believed that Jesus was the Christ, or Messiah, prophesied in the Tanakh (which Christians term the Old Testament). The majority of Jews reject this claim and are still waiting for the Christ to come (see Jewish Messiah). Most Christians now wait for the Second Coming of Christ when it is thought he will fulfill the rest of the Messianic prophecy.

Full etymology

The spelling Christ in English dates from the 17th century, when, in the spirit of the enlightenment, spellings of certain words were changed to fit their Greek or Latin origins. Prior to this, in Old and Middle English, the word was spelled Crist, the i being pronounced either as "i" (see IPA pronunciation), preserved in the names of churches such as St Katherine Cree, or as a short i, preserved in the modern pronunciation of Christmas.

The term appears in English and most European languages owing to the Greek usage of Christos in the New Testament as a description for Jesus. In the Septuagint version of the Old Testament, it was used to translate into Greek the Hebrew Mashiach (Messiah), meaning "one who is anointed". While many Christian writers claim that this term implied a match to the criteria of being anointed that Jewish tradition had given to their predicted future saviour, some argue that there is no "saviour" concept, as suggested in Christianity, in the Jewish tradition. The "anointed" one more closely means 'high priest', 'leader', or even 'ruler'.

The Greek term is cognate with Chrism, meaning perfumed oil; in fact Christos in classical Greek usage could mean covered in oil, and is thus a literal and accurate translation of Messiah (just as Saul the King was oiled up when he was proclaimed king). The Greek term is thought to derive from the Proto-Indo-European root of ghey-, which in Germanic languages, such as English, mutated into gris- and grim-. Hence the English words grisly, grim, grime, gizm and grease, are thought to be cognate with Christ, though these terms came to have a negative connotation, where the Greek word had a positive connotation. In French, the Greek term, in ordinary usage, mutated first to cresme and then to creme, due to the loss of certain 's' usages in French, which was loaned into English as cream. The word was used by extension in Hellenic and Jewish contexts to refer to the office, role or status of the person, not to their actually being an oily person, as a strict reading of the etymology might imply.

According to Tom Harpur, a former professor of Theology at the University of Toronto who denies the historicity of Jesus, the Christian usage of the term Christ derives from Egypt. Harpur has argued that the application of the term Christ to Jesus derives from the Egyptian use of the term Karast (covered in cooking oil) to describe Horus, who Harpur also alleges that much of the descriptions of Jesus are copied from. Karast is a false cognate to Christ, and Harpur has alleged that this co-incidence was the reason that Christians chose this appellation of Horus rather than any other, since in Jewish circles, Christ readily brings to mind the Jewish belief in a Messiah.

Another theory states that name Christ and his story could have been adapted from the Hindu god rama rama Krishna because of similarities in their names and life. Both Krishna and Christ are said to have lived a life of a shepherd. In both stories a king seeks and kills children, hoping to kill Krishna / Christ. There are similarities in their deaths too - Krishna is killed by an iron-nailed arrow piercing his feet and Christ crucified by iron nails. Long before any references to Krishna appear, the Elamites in the 3rd millennium BC also had a deity named Kiririsha.

'Chrestus' is a similar Greek name, which Suetonius confused for 'Christos'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ

The Messiah

The promised Deliverer is twice called the "Anointed" or Moshiach (Psalms 2:2; Daniel 9:25, 26), because he was anointed with the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 61:1) which, in the text, is an expression of nobility and greatness. According to the New Testament, Jesus of Nazareth is this anointed One, the Moshiach of the Tanakh (John 1:41; Acts 9:22; 17:2, 3; 18:5, 28), and the Gospels state that he was physically anointed by an anonymous figure who traditionally is interpreted as Mary Magdalene. The word Christ which now looks like a surname is actually a title derived from the Greek Christos roughly meaning 'anointed' (creamy or greased would be more cognate as translations).

According to the Jewish Bible, whenever someone received the anointing, the Spirit of God came upon this person, to qualify him or her for a God-given task. However, it was not always required to be physically anointed in order to receive the Spirit of God.

Priests and kings
In the Hebrew Bible, the High Priest and the king are each sometimes called "the anointed" (Leviticus 4:3, 5, 16; 6:20; Psalms 132:10). Prophets were also anointed (1 Kings 19:16; 1 Chronicles 16:22; Psalms 105:15).

Anointing a king was equivalent to crowning him; in fact, in Israel a crown was not required (1 Samuel 16:13; 2 Samuel 2:4, etc.). Thus David was anointed as king by the prophet Samuel:

Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.—1 Samuel 16:13.
The French Kings adopted the fleur-de-lis as a baptismal symbol of purity on the conversion of the Frankish King Clovis I to the Christian religion in 493. To further enhance its mystique, a legend eventually sprang up that a vial of oil (cfr. infra the crowning ampulla) descended from Heaven to anoint and sanctify Clovis as King. The thus "anointed" Kings of France later maintained that their authority was directly from God, without the mediation of either the Emperor or the Pope.

Legends claim that even the lily itself appeared at the baptismal ceremony as a gift of blessing in an apparition of the blessed Virgin Mary.

Christian monarchy

In Christian Europe, the Merovingian monarchy was the first to anoint the king in a coronation ceremony that was designed to epitomize the Catholic Church's conferring a religious sanction of the monarch's divine right to rule. A number of Merovingian, Carolingian and Ottonian kings and emperors have avoided coronation and anointing.

English monarchs in common with the French included anointing in the coronation rituals (sacre in French). The Sovereign of the United Kingdom is the last anointed monarch. For the coronation of King Charles I in 1626 the holy oil was made of a concoction of orange, jasmine, distilled roses, distilled cinnamon, oil of ben, extract of bensoint, ambergris, musk and civet.

However this does not symbolize any subordination to the religious authority, hence it is not usually performed in Catholic monarchies by the pope but usually reserved for the (arch)bishop of a major see (sometimes the site of the whole coronation) in the nation, as is sometime the very act of crowning. Hence its utensils can be part of the regalia, such as in the French kingdom an ampulla for the oil and a spoon to apply it with; in the Norwegian kingdom, an anointing horn (a form fitting the Biblical as well as the Viking tradition) is the traditional vessel.

Christian sacramental usage

Early Christian usage
In early Christian times, sick people were anointed for healing to take place:

James 5:
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox usage
In Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox usage, anointing is part of the sacrament of Anointing of the Sick. Consecrated oil is also used in confirmation, or, as it is sometimes called (especially in Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Rite Catholic churches), chrismation, from the Greek word chrisma , meaning the medium and act of anointing. Eastern Churches perform the sacrament of chrismation immediately after the sacrament of baptism during the same ceremony. Orthodox Christians may re-request chrismation at will, but usually this is done during Holy Week.

Consecration of the Oil in the Orthodox Churches
Among Eastern Orthodox Churches, the Myron ( Holy Oil) for anointment is prepared periodically by the Orthodox Patriarchates (such as the Church of Constantinople -- see an announcement and process for preparation, with some sample dates of preparation) and by the various heads of autocephalous administrations (such as the Orthodox Church in America -- see photos of the process). The consecration of the Oil, when performed, occurs during Holy Week, and thereafter the Oil is distributed to the Orthodox Churches within the authority of the administration. The Myron is made of olive oil and a guarded recipe of aromatics (myra) that are infused therein.

At the Patriarchate of Constantinople, the process is under the care of the Archontes Myrepsoi, lay officials of the Patriarchate. Various members of the clergy may also participate in the preparation.

Pentecostal churches
As in the early Christian church, anointing with oil is used in Pentecostal churches for healing the sick and also for consecration or ordination of pastors and elders.

The word "anointing" is also frequently used by Pentecostal Christians to refer to the power of God or the Spirit of God residing in a Christian: a usage that occurs from time to time in the Bible (e.g. in 1 John 2:20). A particularly popular expression is "the anointing that breaks the yoke", which is derived from Isaiah 10:27:

And it shall come to pass on that day, that his burden shall be removed from upon your shoulder, and his yoke from upon your neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of oil.
The NIV translates this passage as, "the yoke will be broken because you have grown so fat." The context of this passage refers to the yoke of Sennacherib, and how his oppressive nature is overturned by that of Hezekiah who was said to be as mild as oil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anointing

Additionally, around the mythos sprang a diversity of nomers for the man Yeshua; with different connotations, and implications, depending on one's beliefs.
It is no wonder that the message has veen virtually ignored.
Too many folks dwelling on their desire to deify and want saved, rather than taking responsiblity for themselves and their actions.

Moby Thesaurus words for "Christ":
Christ Jesus, Emmanuel, God the Son, God-man, Immanuel, Jesu,
Jesus, Jesus Christ, Jesus of Nazareth, King of Glory,
King of Heaven, King of Kings, Lamb of God, Lord Jesus,
Lord of Lords, Lord our Righteousness, Messiah, Our Lord,
Prince of Peace, Redeemer, Savior, Son of God, Son of Man,
atonement, intercession, judgment, mediation, propitiation,
redemption, salvation, the Advocate, the Anointed, the Christ,
the Christ Child, the Door, the Galilean, the Good Shepherd,
the Infant Jesus, the Intercessor, the Judge, the Lamb, the Life,
the Master, the Mediator, the Nazarene, the Only-Begotten,
the Risen, the True Vine, the Truth, the Vine, the Way

I would add here to Moby's list:
The Morning Star...from NT/Revelation
The Alpha and Omega...from NT/Revelation
Sun of righteousness ...from OT...Malachi
Son of the Father.....

posted September 03, 2010 11:11 PM            

if memory serves correctly, Linda initially had a "gut" feeling about Jesus being a Leo ( August birth ) - then she mentions certain astronomical evidence that would have supported this...

i recently came across something that suggested that it was closer to 7 AD and it had something to do with Jupiter and another planet creating a bright star... darn if i can find the link though...sorry
if i find will post

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posted September 03, 2010 11:18 PM            

her starnotes for February... bottom of the second page...
from a book ( out of print )by Charles Deems called " The Light of Nations "

posted December 10, 2010 04:31 PM            

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Originally posted by katatonic:
my memory tells me linda reckoned jesus was a leo. i don't remember how she came to that conclusion!! was it just astrological characteristics or did she do some math/astronomy to get there?

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posted December 26, 2010 03:15 PM            

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I go with March 16th.
Omens seen in 6 B.C.E.
a pelude...
With Birth in 4 B.C.E.
March 16th.
3:39AM.
After HTG's death whereupon Herod Archelaus took over and ordered the massacre of the innocents in both Bethlehems, the one south of Jerusalem and the smaller one northwest of The Sea of Galilee/Chinnereth.

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posted July 21, 2011 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Wrong Forum, but great info.

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I would move it to Divine Diversities where it belongs but I am not mod here at Oober Galxy.