posted September 14, 2011 06:00 PM            

iQ - i must respectfully disagree with some of your observations regarding Lexx, karmic debts etc... she is right when she points out the thinly veiled judgement and condescension that is perceived by some here - i know it's not your intent but you sometimes fail to observe the ancient teaching " when the student is READY..."

some of us make our way up the mountain straight, through many difficult obstacles...others choose instead to zig-zag across, potentially taking more time but still making their way to the top.... it is no "mans" right to question or judge one path better than the other... if we persist in using a faulty interpretation of karma to judge another we are forgetting the fundamental law of compassion...
anytime any one of us insists that our knowledge is superior we fall victim to our own hubris...

some of us here may have inklings into why Lexx, for example, may be experiencing
her current difficulties but only she and god can say for certain because it is her soul that made the choice to be here at this moment... they are only inklings however, shadow whispers and thoughts which give glimpses and most certainly not the whole picture... i don't believe that any person here can accurately and fairly assess another's karmic debt or reward.... rather, we should use knowledge of the law for personal growth and awareness fully realizing and accepting that others may or may not choose the same...

posted September 14, 2011 11:10 PM            

Here is few important parts of my post which will help you give a better understanding of what I mean.

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These fallen angels want nothing but supremacy over God if not atleast his status.
Which is but for what God has banished them from Heaven and Earth.
I believe they portray themselves as the bringers of light only to decieve US.
Yes they will be successfull only in Decieving Humankind not God!That too they will achieve temporary success in doing so.
Their Heart Knows the truth more than us.
Humankind have been given a way to reach divinity only through our meeting of twin-self which happens only for a Time and Reason ascribed by god.It takes aeons for that to happen...and most likely not when we are looking for it.That is Gods plan.
Not through these Fallen gods and goddesses who claim their dominion over the creator and falsely promise us of enlightenment which for them is but an illusion.
Opening of the third eye is their agenda!
A clever tactic played by them.
Opening of the third eye causes mass destruction on earth.
That is what they are targeting earth for.
Destruction of Earth and its inhabitants is key role behind their motives as opposed to the creator.
They believe that the path to reach gods level is the same as gods plan to unite us with our twin-self.
Both are not the same.This is where I believe,we commit the mistake in trusting them.They promise to help us soon but that soon-is where one has to understand that tis but mockery of God's will.
God's plan of realisation of ourselves encompasses suffering of soul to the point of complete liberation.The goal of god is liberation not retribution.
Where as the goal of these fallen entities is to speeden up the process of awakening not for liberation but to attain immortality and power to control the cosmos itself and to be GOD-LIKE.
They can be taken into account as good and enlightened souls. as their sense of approach is quite pragmatic.
Certain evolved souls might have made to it as their abode.And those chosen ones that have do not make the same call as these fallen angels have been doing.ex- jesus,Gautham buddha and other ascended masters.Again these false angels have used jesus and gautham buddha as a pretext to promote their agenda by claiming that they have married and suppressed their wives.
However the fact remains that they did not use these fast and enticing means to reach-god-hood:either by misusing sexual energy or kundalini or hermetic science.
But this kind of infiltration has penetrated deep inside and is hard to out do.
But a vast majority of these fallen angels can be categorised as pure evil hence are unlike those of certain Humankind who have become old evolved souls and master their powers through god.
Logically, immortality could not have been part of the original creation, if eating from the tree of life provided immortality.

So that said-yes we have to fall to come here is an allegorical term.
But the fallen angels have claimed it as being mortality..They did not fall for the same reason as Adam and eve.

What we can see here is-The story of the fall of adam and eve is fundamentally different from the story of rebellion of angels against god.The latter happened first.After Satan and the other rebel angels have been defeated and banished to HellSatan volunteers himself to poison the newly-created Earth and God's new and most favored creation, Mankind.
He braves the dangers of the Abyss alone in a manner reminiscent of Odysseus or Aeneas. After arduously traversing the Chaos outside Hell, he enters God's new material World, and later the Garden of Eden.The battles between the faithful angels and Satan's forces take place over three days. The final battle involves the Son of God single-handedly defeating the entire legion of angelic rebels and banishing them from Heaven. Following the purging of Heaven, God creates the World, culminating in his creation of Adam and Eve. While God gave Adam and Eve total freedom and power to rule over all creation, He gave them one explicit command: not to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil on penalty of death.
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posted September 15, 2011 05:26 AM            

Karma is a complex and multi-dimensional topic. It needs a study of as many examples as possible to know its intricacies. This is why I consider myself to be somewhat equipped to provide some ideas about it as my studies span a deep analysis of Islam, Vedanta, Taoism, Buddhism, KJ Bible, Gnostic Scriptures, Kabbalah,Talmud, Tantra, Hermeticism, UFOlogy and a bit of Zoroastrianism. And of course, Astrological research that repeatably and predictably shows karmic debts taking their toll during precise transits.

I have not failed to observe the simple insight of "As you sow, so ye Reap" in any scripture. This dictum unifies all religions except perhaps satanism.

The purpose of this topic is to explore how far and in what ways the Law of Karma works. Emotional Reactions will not help. Not many put a effort into understanding Soul Contracts where deliberate karmic debts are chosen. I have the testimony of those light years ahead of me in the evolutionary levels that they have a "Bodhisatva Oath" of choosing karmic debts to incarnate and rescue other Souls. The suffering of these Souls is a chosen Karma. How can we look down upon them and say that they deserved it? In fact, I feel we must never tell anyone that they deserved suffering because of a past life error. We should be compassionate that they are suffering because of known or unknown choices, and we have to help them heal, after taking the permission from their Higher Self.

Disagreeing on the existence of karma is a predictable denial response, programmed into Humanity by the Archons of Destiny to ensure that humanity continues to avoid Self Responsibility and continues to give them psychic energy.
[Reference: Stellar Man by John Baines]

What I have written in the previous pages shows that even a disbeliever in karma can still gain by using the tools of releasing karma: Unconditional Compassion and Unconditional Forgiveness. These positive keys help the atheist by preventing build up of negative hormones and negatve enzymes.

I see a huge resistance when these tools are mentioned. Not just Lexx, Lexx's opposition is kindergarten compared to the opposition of orthodox Muslims to the laws of Karma. It is my conjecture that this resistance is also programming, embedded deeply in our DNA, to make us initially choose hatred, blame, anger, harshness etc.
John Baines is very clear, the correct hormonal balance from positive states prevents leakage of the "Golden Broth".
This is alchemical, a reference to all Pineal Gland and Pituitary Secretions that occur from positivity and powerful visualizations, deep breathing and all modes of preventing ADRENALINE Rush.
Advanced entities gobble up this "Golden Broth" from all human beings who choose to ignore Hermetic Laws.

As Rajji is discovering [I feel very happy for her], Unconditional Love helps release the karmic debts that bind us to this realm like chains coated with glue. Unconditional Love will also lead to Unconditional Forgiveness. This gets us off the Karmic "Pay Back Wheel", a beautiful theory by none other than Lexx herself. A refusal to punish, a refusal to get what is due to ensure we Ascend than keep playing the incarnation game.

What is beyond personal Unconditional Love?

Generational and then Incarnational and ultimately generational-multidimensional. You may have to pay $500.00 to Anna Hayes or some Theta Healing institute to know about the basics of these but I will post the details for free. I think I already posted basic Ancestral release, the next level is releasing debts of all genetic ancestors in all our past and future incarnations. This is Karmic liberation at the OverSoul Level itself, and will probably serve to stop devastating intergalactic ET Race wars in another dimension.

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posted September 15, 2011 01:01 PM            

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We should be compassionate that they are suffering because of known or unknown choices, and we have to help them heal, after taking the permission from their Higher Self.

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i absolutely agree with the first part - compassion is a must... but i think we need to be clearer with the latter half... you may believe that you are helping one heal but if they are not in the position to accept it is futility... i may be in the correct position to assist the drowning man but what if i haven't correctly ascertained that he is indeed drowning?

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Originally posted by iQ:

I see a huge resistance when these tools are mentioned. Not just Lexx, Lexx's opposition is kindergarten...

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yes, there are many who resist but i believe that it is imperative that we respect their decision and not continually try to force acceptance - i think it's this act which some can perceive as judgement even if that's not the intent... not all of us can bend like reeds in the wind, nor should we... i can learn more from one who adamantly opposes my beliefs than one who simply reiterates.... opposition can broaden and deepen our scope, forcing our own self to examine more closely, refine and tune that which we hold to be truth...

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Originally posted by rajji:

Of course, through life we have to make assessments all the time, but perhaps it is wise to try to make these on situations rather than the people within them?

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posted September 15, 2011 03:26 PM            

I make it clear that I unconditionally respect Lexx's (very very brave IMHO) decision to reject the Laws of Karma and the rejection of the solutions of unconditional love/unconditional forgiveness to eliminate karmic debts. It is unfortunate that I have not been able to communicate this respect to her in the way she wanted.

On a Higher Level, I see Lexx as someone who may be exploring new solutions to the problems in this Universe, and a few years from now we may all be actually thankful that she was bold enough to venture into her line of research.

We have studied there are 7 Hermetic Laws, what if there is an 8th,9th and 10th waiting to be discovered by her or anyone who thinks differently like her?

<<i can learn more from one who adamantly opposes my beliefs than one who simply reiterates>>
Ergo, if you truly wish to learn, you have to sincerely detail your beliefs for only then can the opposition be given to broaden your learning. If you keep secrets and then blame others for being judgmental, well, that is definitely Self Sabotage in terms of learning.

Look how many pages of diverse points I have mentioned from Multidimnesionality to Genetic Karmic Debts to Alien Entities to Cortisol. Let us see your take on Karma as well so that I can give the right opposition for you to maximize your learning

Here is one more tip for the discerning reader. This tip will produce a bit of genuine enlightenement on the ways of Karma.

For the Hermetic Law of the Pendulum, think of it as Law of PendulumS of varying speeds, sizes and directions. Think X-Y-Z Axis and 3D coordinates. You may think you balance one pendulum but another may be ready to hit you from behind, sent from another lifeline's action. What if you react to this thinking your first dissipation of karma was wrong and so paying off karma failed, and this leads to new "pendulum swings" that catch you in another lifeline?

What if that Arab Terrorist who fills one with hate was an Auschwitz Victim for whom tears were shed in a previous lifeline? How will the Pendulum Swings be genetically encoded and subsequently resolved in this case? How many Pendulum Swings are we carrying since the first DNA was Spliced whenever it was prepared in our Ancestors?

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posted September 15, 2011 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:

I see a huge resistance when these tools are mentioned. Not just Lexx, Lexx's opposition is kindergarten...

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Originally posted by iQ:

I make it clear that I unconditionally respect Lexx's (very very brave IMHO) decision to reject the Laws of Karma and the rejection of the solutions of unconditional love/unconditional forgiveness to eliminate karmic debts.

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Originally posted by iQ:

It is unfortunate that I have not been able to communicate this respect to her in the way she wanted.

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Originally posted by iQ:
On a Higher Level, I see Lexx as someone who may be exploring new solutions to the problems in this Universe, and a few years from now we may all be actually thankful that she was bold enough to venture into her line of research.

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Originally posted by iQ:

We have studied there are 7 Hermetic Laws, what if there is an 8th,9th and 10th waiting to be discovered by her or anyone who thinks differently like her?

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posted September 15, 2011 11:52 PM            

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Tonight as the day draws to a close ask this question. What is it that you love about yourself, your life, those in it. Are you sleepwalking through your days in a trance unaware of all that you have to love and be grateful for. What if all of it were gone tomorrow? Would you wish for more time to appreciate it? Close your eyes with thought of gratitude for what was is and will be. Namaste.
~Waves of Gratitude

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posted September 16, 2011 01:34 AM            

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Of course, through life we have to make assessments all the time, but perhaps it is wise to try to make these on situations rather than the people within them?

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Dear Emitres,
I believe the above applies to only certain situations.I used it in a Valid situation but I guess here in relation to karma it looses its meaning because we take into account our past and present life actions.
Here it does not apply because Karma is a Rhetorical Situation.
Apart from that it was Lexx who did ask IQ a Rhetorical question.
Hence he did not answer it at first.
Now pursuaded to answer he has taken a Rhetorical stance- a stance which depends on discovering and maintaining in any writing situation a proper balance among the three elements that are at work in any communicative effort: the available arguments about the subject itself, the interests and peculiarities of the audience, and the voice, the implied character, of the speaker.
So that said im Just clearing the perspective behind your statement of using it as a quote in this situation.

With regards to what IQ meant by healing with respect to karma is this- "The law of karma is for individual only. it is family/surrounding related in the sense that the law of karma teaches us by experience. let us suppose I kill somebody in this birth, it is immediately recorded by the soul and in the forthcoming birth in which I will have burn it by experience, before coming to this birth I choose to balance it by experiencing the death of my son. then the coming son who will be coming have his individual karma which suits him and me to die. karma is personal thing but experience may involve many others!"

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The purpose of this topic is to explore how far and in what ways the Law of Karma works. Emotional Reactions will not help. Not many put a effort into understanding Soul Contracts where deliberate karmic debts are chosen.

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That is what IQ has been trying to explain..About the tools of resistance.
He was not forcing others to accept but rather was trying to make the reader understand about how karma works.

posted September 16, 2011 05:57 AM            

Dear Lexx,
Friends dare, friends provoke and friends dare to provoke. I am extremely relieved that you do not reject the Laws of Karma 100%. The Law is not at fault because of bigoted interpreters or manipulators.

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I see a huge resistance when these tools are mentioned. Not just Lexx, Lexx's opposition is kindergarten... followed by an out of context rant.
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I now score you an F- on English Comprehension of Paragraphs
Please read the full context of that post before making judgments. Kindergarten in the level of Resistance or Opposition when compared to Orthodox Islamic Scholars. Meaning your stance and arguments against my writings are ABSOLUTELY NOTHING compared to the sh*t I see written against Spiritual topics, Karma and Meta Physics by Islamic Scholars. In orthodox Islam of Saudi Arabia, any Muslim who utters the "Reincarnation" word can be declared apostate and beheaded.
Who will teach them about Unconditional Love/Forgiveness when they want to behead people for small crimes, and even cut off hands of small thieves?

Now please read this carefully: Your INTOLERANCE = Kindergarten, their INTOLERANCE = PhD. Savvy?

This misinterpretation of others writings and contexts is again, not becoming of your investigative talents, and is a cause for concern for any peer reviewer. What if you have misinterpreted the foundations of your early research? What if you have been missing the wood for the trees for decades by misinterpreting the context or etymology of a Greek, Hebrew, Sanskrit or Syrian Aramaic word in a scripture? I tend to trust your Biblical research blindly but what if you have slipped up there?

As a friend, it is my duty to point this out.

Ask yourself why you choose to misinterpret?
It may be a new growth driver.

<<Lonely Path>>
And yes, your chart clearly shows the lonely path. A hero's journey of powerful contemplation. Success is near.

posted September 16, 2011 08:52 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:

Dear Lexx,
Friends dare, friends provoke and friends dare to provoke. I am extremely relieved that you do not reject the Laws of Karma 100%. The Law is not at fault because of bigoted interpreters or manipulators.

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I see a huge resistance when these tools are mentioned. Not just Lexx, Lexx's opposition is kindergarten... followed by an out of context rant.
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I now score you an F- on English Comprehension of Paragraphs
Please read the full context of that post before making judgments. Kindergarten in the level of Resistance or Opposition when compared to Orthodox Islamic Scholars. Meaning your stance and arguments against my writings are ABSOLUTELY NOTHING compared to the sh*t I see written against Spiritual topics, Karma and Meta Physics by Islamic Scholars. In orthodox Islam of Saudi Arabia, any Muslim who utters the "Reincarnation" word can be declared apostate and beheaded.
Who will teach them about Unconditional Love/Forgiveness when they want to behead people for small crimes, and even cut off hands of small thieves?

Now please read this carefully: Your INTOLERANCE = Kindergarten, their INTOLERANCE = PhD. Savvy?

This misinterpretation of others writings and contexts is again, not becoming of your investigative talents, and is a cause for concern for any peer reviewer. What if you have misinterpreted the foundations of your early research? What if you have been missing the wood for the trees for decades by misinterpreting the context or etymology of a Greek, Hebrew, Sanskrit or Syrian Aramaic word in a scripture? I tend to trust your Biblical research blindly but what if you have slipped up there?

As a friend, it is my duty to point this out.

Ask yourself why you choose to misinterpret?
It may be a new growth driver.

<<Lonely Path>>
And yes, your chart clearly shows the lonely path. A hero's journey of powerful contemplation. Success is near.

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I did not choose to misinterpret your words.
You were not clear on what you meant.

You explained now, so yes,
now I understand the kindergarten you intended to convey was referring to levels of opposition.

That was not an error on my part but a supposition based upon what you said.
I went by the dictionary definition;
and in American slang it is used also as an insult to say someone is silly, childish, not very learned.
I was not familiar with a (slang?) form of it being used to gauge levels of opposition.

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Noun 1. kindergarten-
a preschool for children age 4 to 6 to prepare them for primary school
preschool - an educational institution for children too young for elementary

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Originally posted by iQ:
Now please read this carefully: Your INTOLERANCE = Kindergarten, their INTOLERANCE = PhD. Savvy?

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kindergarten Look up kindergarten at Dictionary.com
1852, from Ger., lit. "children's garden," from Kinder "children" (pl. of Kind "child") + Garten "garden" (see yard (1)). Coined 1840 by Friedrich Fröbel (1782-1852) in reference to his method of developing intelligence in young children, the first one in England established 1850 by Johannes Ronge, German Catholic priest. Taken into English untranslated, whereas other nations that borrowed the institution nativized the name (cf. Dan. börnehave, Modern Heb. gan yeladim, lit. "garden of children").

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posted September 16, 2011 09:39 AM            

lexx,

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So I am lower/stupid/uneducated kindergarten and they are higher/PhD?

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No, no, thats not what he ment at all..

It saddens me to see the blocks up in this thread when both you and IQ have much in common and much to share.

In my nosey, aqua style may I attempt to explain IQ`s above quote?

He simply means your intolerance for karma as explained is a minor intolerance. A bump in the road of life so to speak.

The PHD`s intolerence is a major train wreck and kills souls. The skilled bigots, racists,haters, deniers etc are the phds.

In balancing the scales of life,(karma)

the kindergartener has less to over come then the phd.

I hope I didn`t make the mis communication worse!

posted September 16, 2011 12:24 PM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
Aquarian interference

lexx,

No, no, thats not what he ment at all..

It saddens me to see the blocks up in this thread when both you and IQ have much in common and much to share.

In my nosey, aqua style may I attempt to explain IQ`s above quote?

He simply means your intolerance for karma as explained is a minor intolerance. A bump in the road of life so to speak.

The PHD`s intolerence is a major train wreck and kills souls. The skilled bigots, racists,haters, deniers etc are the phds.

In balancing the scales of life,(karma)

the kindergartener has less to over come then the phd.

I hope I didn`t make the mis communication worse!

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posted September 16, 2011 12:59 PM            

Now that we have all understood what I meant, I wish to focus the attention back to the Law of Karma.

How many of you have pondered on the example of the 3D-Axis Multiple Pendulum Structure than just a linear "action-reaction" principle?

Plenty of misunderstanding of Karmic Laws is because of a strict linear approach to Karma.

This linear application sadly becomes a "Mind Control", reinforcing guilt and then trapping a person into the Law of Attraction based negativity cycle.

I just recalled a movie named "Frequency", where again the multi-dimensional nature of Karma was brilliantly explained. Many Star Trek episodes showed the importance of Ancestral Karma affecting the present. And "Back to the Future" Trilogy as well.

Every positive act done with a State of Unconditional Love will balance many levels of karmic cycles across our lifelines.

Every thought of forgiveness will actually remove one pendulum.

There are Shaolin Temple Kung Fu CLassics where a warrior is thrown into a room full of rotating wooden arms, he hits one many hit from all directions. Karma is something like that on Earth. We have to still all the arms by slowing all of them down, non-reaction and non reaction and
non-reaction till a near Zero Kelvin Temperature state of stillness is achieved.

Then we cross that room easily and perpetually enter 4th D.

Some more musings.

1. Hermetic Masters know the art of being in two places at the same time by sending the Earth Element into a mental projection. If I play a prank on a projection, will it create Karma?

2. If I save a man from suicide, and he becomes a murderer next year, what would be my karmic debt?

3. If I do not take credit for saving him and say God saved him, would I attract karmic debts for his future crimes?

4. Vedic Myths have an amazing story of Lady Ganga giving birth to 7 babies and immersing them immediately. The King of the land catches the lady before she drowns number 8, and she then tells him he interfered in their Soul Contract. The 7 babies were evil kings in their past life who needed a birth from a higher womb and a quick death to attain redemption. Number 8 has to live as an Immortal because of this interference, the renknowned Bhishma, patriacrh of the Mahabharata Legend. Ganga had to do the terrible task of drowning the kids without self-identifying with the murder and thus liberating the Souls. She had the highest level of Evolution to do this most difficult task.

How many sudden deaths in our world are due to Soul Contracts for quick redemption and not because of deserving punishment?

5. Will there be Karmic Debts for Walk-Ins?

6. Do Vows of past lifelines carry karma in the present? Can they be annulled?

7. If someone owes positive karmic debts to Mr X, then must Mr X compulsorily be reincarnated to receive this positive attention? What can Mr X do to escape?

8. Gurus absorb karmic debts of students. The Guru suffers an illness for every major karmic debt absorbed. How is this possible?

9. How did Mughal Emperor Babar transfer half his lifeline to Humayun? What was the Karmic Debt for that?

10. The poignant case of children suffering an illness because of faulty genes, is it the karmic debt of the parent, ancestor, the racial originator, the Inhabiting Soul or a Soul Contract to experience the condition? Or a mix of all these? Or just random occurrence? If Random, will the Soul get a Karmic Reward of a perfect Body the next incarnation?

Karma is the most complex topic in Philosophy. So many dimensions exist. If we need to learn this, we will learn more by sharing ideas than just nit-picking on semantics.

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posted September 16, 2011 01:09 PM            

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We have studied there are 7 Hermetic Laws, what if there is an 8th,9th and 10th waiting to be discovered by her or anyone who thinks differently like her?

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i completely agree with this...i don't even think it's a " what if" scenario... i believe that the coming changes will allow us to be more prepared to find the next segment of hidden knowledge and truths...

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Originally posted by iQ:

If you keep secrets and then blame others for being judgmental, well, that is definitely Self Sabotage in terms of learning.

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am not entirely sure if the "you" in the above statement meant me directly or the general populas "you"... if at me directly allow me to elucidate... i don't keep secrets from those i trust and certainly wasn't blaming you directly for being judgemental - simply showing how some could perceive a slight when none was intended...

as to my beliefs in regards to karma - they are fluid and simple... i do believe that at the most base level of understanding
"as one reaps so shall he sow" is truth... we allow karma to assist in creating parameters for us so that our learning may be effected more rigidly and safely...
but for each of us comes a time when our evolution goes beyond those parameters and we can begin to be proactive rather than reactive... our choice and life path not always directly linked to the punishment/reward aspect but rather the yearning to gain more quickly all forms of experience and knowledge... karma is a great teacher when we allow ourselves to go beyond the rigidness that seems to be there initially... i'm not sure that i like the image of the karma payback wheel either - to my mind it implies that our incarnation here is a punishment rather than an opportunity - something thrust upon us without our consent rather than embraced by our desire to know...
i have difficulty in believing in the "Lords of Karma" - i think that this is simply a human craving to personify that which is sometimes beyond our comprehension... i also do not subscribe to the viewpoint that some have that the "sins of the father" have bearing on one's individual karma...
i also do not believe that karma is immutable... i believe that this is also a human construct - a way for us to put limitations on a force that exceeds our current understanding... by creating this limitation we cause the aforementioned parameter... karma is one of many facets of a universe which is constantly changing and evolving... nothing in this universe is constant or static... if that were indeed the case there would be no need to eternally seek out new knowledge...
karma is like a great river, sometimes flowing smoothly and straight... other times flowing wildly with sudden turns, turns which can bring you to the most exquisite or terrible of places - dependant upon the choices you make with your higher self...

i believe in unconditional love and forgiveness as a way to help us grow beyond the first "chains" that bind us- this acceptance creating the foundation for the rest of the house to be built...

posted September 16, 2011 01:23 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
deep analysis of Islam, Vedanta, Taoism, Buddhism, KJ Bible, Gnostic Scriptures, Kabbalah,Talmud, Tantra, Hermeticism, UFOlogy and a bit of Zoroastrianism. And of course, Astrological research.

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Sikhism

In Sikhism, all living beings are described as being under the influence of maya's three qualities. Always present together in varying mix and degrees, these three qualities of maya bind the soul to the body and to the earth plane. Above these three qualities is the eternal time. Due to the influence of three modes of Maya's nature, jivas (individual beings) perform activities under the control and purview of the eternal time. These activities are called "karma". The underlying principle is that karma is the law that brings back the results of actions to the person performing them.

Jainism

In Jainism, "karma" conveys a totally different meaning from that commonly understood in Hindu philosophy and western civilization. In Jainism, karma is referred to as karmic dirt, as it consists of very subtle and microscopic particles (pudgala) that pervade the entire universe. Karmas are attracted to the karmic field of a soul due to vibrations created by activities of mind, speech, and body as well as various mental dispositions. Hence the karmas are the subtle matter surrounding the consciousness of a soul. When these two components (consciousness and karma) interact, we experience the life we know at present.

Herman Kuhn, quoting from Tattvarthasutra, describes karmas as "a mechanism that makes us thoroughly experience the themes of our life until we gained optimal knowledge from them and until our emotional attachment to these themes falls off."

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We have studied there are 7 Hermetic Laws, what if there is an 8th,9th and 10th waiting to be discovered.

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"Endless forms, most beautiful, and most wonderful"

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1. Hermetic Masters know the art of being in two places at the same time by sending the Earth Element into a mental projection. If I play a prank on a projection, will it create Karma?

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Intent in law is the planning and desire to perform an act, to fail to do so, or to achieve a state of affairs.

What was your intent?

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2. If I save a man from suicide, and he becomes a murderer next year, what would be my karmic debt?

3. If I do not take credit for saving him and say God saved him, would I attract karmic debts for his future crimes?

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You helped him/her, However that man/woman is responsible for their actions period.

You choose to help, he/she choose to do harm after that. They could have had a fresh start...

It is on their shoulders.

One is responsible for his/her deeds.

Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus," or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice. Remember that.

-King Baldwin, Kingdom of Heaven

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Originally posted by iQ:
We have to still all the arms by slowing all of them down, non-reaction and non reaction and
non-reaction till a near Zero Kelvin Temperature state of stillness is achieved.

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Reactive/Non-Reactive can become the same act at the same time.

In other words, the reactive/non-reactive pendulum of the mind is neutralized and remains in a state of economy, avoiding the ease of falling into either reaction or non-reaction.

It is a space between spaces.

posted September 16, 2011 11:51 PM            

When you watch the movie the central character tries several times to go back and redo his actions in a previous state for bettering the consequences of the present state in a very minute unhindered way but still the outcome proves to be disastrous to those involved around him no matter how hard he tries.
In the end he eventually learns that the only way he could change the gruesome past is to let go of his true love in the present situation.
He seems to have made a sacrifice beyond death.

"In chaos theory, the butterfly effect is the sensitive dependence on initial conditions; where a small change at one place in a nonlinear system can result in large differences to a later state. The effect derives its name from the theoretical example of a hurricane's formation being contingent on whether or not a distant butterfly had flapped its wings several weeks before.

Although the butterfly effect may appear to be an esoteric and unusual behavior, it is exhibited by very simple systems: for example, a ball placed at the crest of a hill might roll into any of several valleys depending on slight differences in initial position."

posted September 17, 2011 01:22 AM            

Of these the first four are called Ghatiya or of defiling types(destructive) in the sense that they tend to defile the real nature of soul; they do not allow its true properties to be manifested. The remaining four are called Aghatiya or of undefiling types. Though the soul has to bear their consequences, the operat ion of these Karmas does not come in the way of manifestation of its true properties.(Non-destructive)
Each ne has subdidvisions which I have not shared here.
Will provide the link.

1. Jnanavaraniya or Knowledge Obscuring Karma
Soul has infinite capacity of knowing anything and everything. We however do not realize this capacity because the knowing property of the soul is obscured by the operation of this Karma.This type of Karma is acquired mainly by disregard of preceptors and of the sources of knowledge.

2.Darshanavaraniya or Perception Obscuring Karma

Perceiving property of soul gets obscured by the operation of this Karma. This also does not reduce soul’s inherent capacity of perceiving, but restricts its manifestation. This Karma is acquired on account of absence of conviction and loss of faith in the tenets of truth.

3.Mohaniya or Deluding Karma

The operation of this Karma deludes the soul by causing wrong perception. On account of this Karma soul fails to perceive the realities and tends to identify itself with the ephemeral body, its worldly connections, acquisitions etc. Thereby the soul happe ns to perceive the comforts or discomforts of the body and its environments as its own happiness or misery. One feels pleased when such situations are comfortable and strives to maintain them as such. If the situations are not comfortable, he strives hard to change them to his liking and indulges in different types of defilements, when something does not happen to his liking. This arises from our basic ignorance on account of which our Self is smeared with defilements and we indulge in craving and aversion.

4.Antaraya or obstructing Karma

By the operation of this Karma we experience obstacles or obstructions in our effort of Self realization or in our intention to do something good.
It would be possible to conceive of such obstructions arising when we get ready for undertaking some good or desirable activity like charity, extending help to others, enjoying any situation etc.

5.5) Vedaniya or situation conferring Karma

By operation of this Karma a living being is endowed with comfortable or uncomfortable situations. Previous good deeds result in this Karma being Shatavedaniya or one that can be undergone with the feelings of happiness and pleasure; evil actions result i n this Karma being Ashatavedaniya or one that can be experienced with the feelings of unhappiness and miseries. Every one tries to be happy. One however hardly gets results in proportion to his efforts. Only so called lucky ones succeed and get happiness. That apparently inexplicable phenomenon is witnessed on account of the operation of this Karma.

6.Aayu or life span determining Karma

As the name suggests, this Karma determines the life span of any particular being. It is not normally possible for any being to live longer or shorter than the period fixed by this Karma. This is irrespective of divine, human, animal or infernal life. The re are however exceptional cases where persons endowed with special achievements can reduce the life span by bearing the destined consequences in a shorter period. This is known as Udirana.

7) Naam or physique determining Karma

By the operation of this Karma it is decided what type of body, mind, intellect etc. a living being will have. What we call Gati or state is also decided by this Karma. Divine, human, animal or plant life and infernal life are the four states in which the worldly souls get born from time to time depending upon this Karma.

8) Gotra or status determining Karma

A living being is born in a particular type of family by the operation of this Karma. One is born in a noble or high status or religiously oriented family by virtue of good Karmas. By indulging in evil Karmas, one has to be born in a low status or not religiously oriented family.

....I myself have to try to understand it in depth.

posted September 17, 2011 01:54 AM            

karma can be of two varieties - wholesome karma or good karma and unwholesome karma or bad karma. In order that we should not misunderstand this description of karma, it is useful for us to look at the original term. In this case, it is kushala or akushala karma, karma that is wholesome or unwholesome. In order that we understand how these terms are being used, it is important that we know the real meaning of kushala and akushala. Kushala means intelligent or skilful, whereas akushala means not intelligent, not skilful. This helps us to understand how these terms are being used, not in terms of good and evil but in terms of skilful and unskilful, in terms of intelligent and unintelligent, in terms of wholesome and unwholesome. Now how wholesome and how unwholesome? Wholesome in the sense that those actions which are beneficial to oneself and others, those actions that spring not out of desire, ill-will and ignorance, but out of renunciation, loving-kindness and compassion, and wisdom.

Buddha on Karma-

One may ask how does one know whether an action that is wholesome or unwholesome will produce happiness or unhappiness. The answer is time will tell. The Buddha Himself answered the question. He has explained that so long as an unwholesome action does not bear its fruit of suffering, for so long a foolish person will consider that action good. But when that unwholesome action bears its fruit of suffering then he will realize that the action is unwholesome. Similarly, so long as a wholesome action does not bear its fruit of happiness, a good person may consider that action unwholesome. When it bears its fruit of happiness, then he will realize that the action is good. So one needs to judge wholesome and unwholesome action from the point of view of long-term effect. Very simply, whole-some actions result in eventual happiness for oneself and others, while unwholesome actions have the opposite result, they result in suffering for oneself and others.

Let us understand the above-

posted September 17, 2011 01:56 AM            

While unwholesome actions produce unwholesome results - suffering, wholesome actions produce wholesome results - happiness. One can interpret wholesome actions in two ways. One can simply regard wholesome actions as avoiding the unwholesome actions, avoiding killing, stealing, sexual misconduct and the rest. Or one can speak of wholesome actions in positive terms. Here one can refer to the list of whole-some actions that includes generosity, good conduct, meditation, reverence, service, transference of merits, rejoicing in the merit of others, hearing the Dharma, teaching the Dharma and straightening of one’s own views. Just as unwholesome actions produce suffering, these wholesome actions produce benefits. Again effects here are similar to the actions. For example, generosity results in wealth. Hearing of the Dharma results in wisdom. The wholesome actions have as their consequences similar wholesome effects just as unwholesome actions have similar unwholesome effects.