posted August 15, 2012 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

Because Israel is a developed country and those shouldn't be receiving aid, they should be providing it. For heaven's sake, even Barbados stopped receiving aid since being marked as developed. It's not anti-Israel to say that a rich country shouldn't be getting charity. Only a zionist would believe such drivel.

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The 60 mill or so a year for food and general economic aid we gave Israel from its inception until the mid 60s isn't much needed anymore, is it?
We now average about 2 billion a year, two thirds of which is poured into Israel's military budget. Apart from that we continue to build the Israelis hospitals and universities, we fund agricultural research, solar power and biodiesel projects, refugee assitance, the BIRD foundation which ostensibly isn't creating high tech military tools (Through-Wall Location and Sensing System) but in reality does just that blah blah you get the idea.

posted August 15, 2012 11:14 AM            

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To my understanding of biblical texts--and people DO see the Bible differently which is OK--isn't it mainly using divination and fortune-telling that really is the problem?

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It comes down to intent perhaps? I don't allow my five year old to use the stove. A stove is not an inherently evil device, but in the hands of a five year old boy bad things may very well happen. In the hands of the untrained or superstitous mind, Tarot, astrology and the like can and often will cause more harm than good. In fact, I would go so far as to point out that all esoteric investigation has its dangers. Hence the Biblical warning, and the Church's long time stance against these things, as well. We should recall that occult studies were once the domain of initiates only - those who had been trained by a teacher and fully prepared for the undertaking. Now the doors to the secret chambers have been flung open and we all have access to what was once hidden.

That said, we could (and I probably would) make the case that humanity has evolved to the point where the occult should again be acknowledged and explored. We've come full circle, so to speak. Still, the dangers remain. This is self-evident.

posted August 15, 2012 12:14 PM            

""But, even Jesus respected the wisdom of the heavens," I say. "Let me see your Bible. I'll show you proof that astrology is a divinely bestowed gift to humanity." I open to the Psalms and begin reading verse 19:1-3, "The heavens declare the glory of God. The skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech. Night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard.""

"In Job, God asked his humble servant a series of questions involving the wondrous miracles performed. In Job 38:31-33, God asks, "Can you bind the sweet influences of the Pleiades or loose the bonds of Orion? Can you bring forth the Mazzaroth in their seasons? Or can you guide Arcturus with his sons? Do you know the principles of the heavens? Can you set their dominion over the earth?"

"The characteristics of the twelve tribes were given both by Jacob in Genesis 49 when he blesses his sons and again in Deuteronomy 33 when Moses blesses the tribes. They correspond to the basic meanings of the twelve signs used today. God ordered Moses to have the twelve tribes camp around the holy tabernacle in the exact order of the zodiac with the entrance to the temple facing east. The four gateways to the camp were Judea, Rueben, Ephraim and Dan. These four tribes correspond to the exact description in Ezekiel and Revelations of the four living creatures before the throne of God, which were the lion, the bull, the man and the eagle. These four ancient symbols correspond to our own astrological signs of Leo, Taurus, Aquarius and Scorpio which contain the four royal stars of Persia, Regulus in Leo, Aldebaran in Taurus, Formalhaut in Aquarius, Antares in Scorpio.[2] God even directs Moses to have the tribes march through the desert starting with Judea (Leo) and going backwards towards the camps of Rueben (Taurus), Ephraim (Aquarius) and Dan (Scorpio). This is the exact motion of the equinoctial precession that gives rise to the flow of the astrological ages, a 26,000-year cycle."
http://www.luckystarz.com/Articles/phipps.html

Good explanations, from a Biblical perspective, one of which those so called clergy will find uncomfortable..mostly because they do not know what the Word actually says, only what they have been told and or taught rather than investigating for themselves.

posted August 15, 2012 04:07 PM            

I sincerely believe it`s thread weaves smoothly across the religious boundries and applys to both the Christian Bible and Q`uran as well as all other other Holy texts.I will copy and paste it here with the appropriate link.

IQ:

Thought I would share these views for kids from Islamic countries who may be closet MetaPhysicians/Psychics/Astrologers.
It is usually a foregone conclusion in Muslim masses that this is the one and only life, and after this life, the person is raised up during the Day of Resurrection, judged, and then rewarded for eternity in different levels of Paradise or banished to Hell to suffer Eternal Torment.

The Quran [Holy Book of Muslims, Revelation received by Islam's Prophet in 610 AD Mecca]
gives graphic descriptions of Heaven and Hell. The character regularly depicted as going to Hell is the Pharoah who tried to kill the Tribe of Moses. Each and every Believer in One God is assured a passage to Heaven.

Yet, the Quran clearly states that many verses are Allegorical. Not to be taken literally.

Interestingly, not a single verse in the entire Quran denies the possibility of:

1. Parallel Universes. In fact, 7 Heavens are spoken of which could easily mean 7 Dimensions.

2. Simultaneous Existences. Concept Never discussed, and we are also clearly told that God is Able to Do All Things with a Command of "Be".

3. Out of Body Experiences and Astral Projection

4. Telepathy

5. Remote Viewing

6. Consciousness Re-incarnation across timelines.

Only Physical Reincarnation with the same DNA Body is denied as possible [Until a specific Day of Resurrection]

Acceptance of Anomalous Human Gifts:
In Chapter 18, a Mystical character is introduced who has tons of more knowledge and wisdom than even Moses. Arabic Legends call him "Khidr", some scholars connecting him to Melchizedek.

Khidr is able to see the Future like a Clairvoyant and read information about people's true intentions like a Psychic.
It is hinted that he possessed knowledge through Gnosis [Self-Learned] and was given knowledge directly from God without a revealing Angel. [In Islamic Traditions, Knowledge from God is usually shown as being received only with the assistance of Angel Gabriel]

Acceptance of Immortal Souls/Ascension:
Another verse [Chapter 7, 172] clearly proves that Human Consciousness existed way before the present physical incarnation.

Ascension from one level to another is mentioned in Chapter 84, verse 18.

Biggest Evidence of Human Immortality:
In several verses, God insists that He "Breathed of His Spirit" into Adam. God's Spirit/The Divine Spark in every Human Soul cannot in a any stretch of imagination enter a region like Hell without illuminating it with Divine Light. Thus, no Human Soul can possibly be tormented for eternity. Clearly, the verses of Heaven and Hell have to be allegorical, a way of discouragement to uneducated masses in pre-medieval ages to avoid evil acts.

Thus, Muslim children born on or after 1994 [who have an extraordinarily higher probability of being psychic, clairvoyant, recalling past incarnational memories] need not panic or feel guilty that they are unacceptable to God from a Quranic Perspective.

Every Human Being has, is and will always be acceptable to God. We are merely encouraged to do more good deeds, that's it.

This is the understanding I get from the Quran.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004485.html

posted August 15, 2012 05:10 PM            

The maximum "Indigo" Children types were born after 1994 [especially after 2001].

There were major heavy planet configurations in 1994. Children born on and after 1994 are very different. Pluto in early Sagittarius generation. Destined to positively transform the planet and probably pioneer Space Travel or even Scientific "Astral Travel" when they reach their 30s.
They will succumb lesser and lesser to racism, sexism and communalism. I see more humanity in them than in any other generation, and this in spite of all the gadgets and temptations.

They will demand answers and find their own truths when the establishment disappoints them.

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posted August 15, 2012 11:27 PM            

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Originally posted by T:
I edited to add a few things in my post.

and wanted to give a to Linda Jones.

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Hiya T!!

posted August 15, 2012 11:29 PM            

Thanks for posting the info and link for iQ's thread!!

posted August 15, 2012 11:34 PM            

Thank you for informing us about your insights into the Quran and also the astrological significance of 1994.

posted August 16, 2012 08:44 AM            

Witchcraft is denounced as it is an engaging of the dark side. Astrology is a science. It is a calculation of the universe and your particular place in it, which is your chart.
There are no dark forces there.

I am rare among Bible believers, in this POV. I feel I am right, so don't care what other Christians think.

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posted August 16, 2012 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Back to Girly's question. Most Born Again Christians say Astrology is from the dark side. I don't think so, obviously, but I made my own journey that I feel was led by God.

Witchcraft is denounced as it is an engaging of the dark side. Astrology is a science. It is a calculation of the universe and your particular place in it, which is your chart.
There are no dark forces there.

I am rare among Bible believers, in this POV. I feel I am right, so don't care what other Christians think.

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Ami, just out of curiosity: how did you come to not care about what other Christians think?

I'm not saying that you're wrong, but as someone who tends to want to get along with people (and who wants to be more assertive), I'm curious to learn how you came to be strong and assertive on this. Are there any specific passages in the Bible that you feel support your position (in addition to any already mentioned)? Have you ever entered into dialogue with other Christians about those passages and challenged them on it? And do you have any scholarly articles that support your views on astrology/what the bible says about it? (I ask because I had some and lost them--I accidentally deleted a lot of my bookmarks and forgot to save others).

posted August 16, 2012 08:57 AM            

I am not afraid of what they think. It would just be useless fighting.

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posted September 20, 2012 08:15 PM            

I'm realizing that I may be repeating myself, but I feel a need right now to really dive into this issue again and think about it again.

For my part, I do not do divination. The only transits that were ever really interesting to me were Merc and Venus retrogrades; I'm getting away from that more and more too. I do not believe in (or do) reincarnation, numerology, magic/spells, multiple gods, etc. I am trying to spend less time on astro stuff because I don't want it to consume my life. I'd like for it to gradually sort of 'fade'. I don't want any one thing in my life outside of God to have so much focus that I worship it instead of God. I'm honestly not to the point where God is my major focus, but I want to get there.

My main focus in astrology has been on understanding people and relationships better, and that's what has interested me.

I take astrology as kind of a set of symbols more than anything else. As in, you could call it something else, and what's here would still be here.

I'm asking--is that a sin? To simply use it for personality analysis/to get along with people? to understand them better? And if people would say it is, how is it any different--again, if one is only interested in personality stuff and nothing else--than, say, the enneagram or Myers-Briggs? And if people do say it's a sin to (again) only use it for personality analysis, but other systems aren't sinful, why/how?

And, too (and to be very clear, I do NOT AT ALL want to get into the other issue associated with this topic), if people would say that personality analysis is sinful, what about people who don't follow other things? Like eating certain foods, not eating certain foods, diet restrictions, etc.?

Also, my other belief is that God controls everything. It's the same view that I have about science. I don't see science as a threat to God because I believe God controls science, even if there are systems at work--God created the systems, to me. So, if God could create science systems, could God also create personality systems?

I'm sorry if this sounds like a big jumbled mess, but I'm just sort of thinking out loud. I've tried to avoid this issue (well, going too far into it, anyway; I have talked about it before), but I have to confront it, really.

posted September 20, 2012 08:35 PM            

It could be like a diagnostic test when you go to a therapist.

To me, God gave us the charts to help us get through life, so I see it as His gift. I KNOW it is. I used to feel maybe it was not, but now I know it is by how God uses me to lead people to him, through doing the charts.

I know it is from God! I am totally at peace with it.

I don't do transits, as I am afraid I will get obsessed with them, but that is cuz of me, not that they are inherently bad or against God, at all.

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posted September 26, 2012 02:43 PM            

It's my place not to judge and opine. It is or it isn't. Believe or don't believe. Questioning would be not believing, according to the powers that be.

I still do go to church, and I'm told that it is stricly forbidden at every level, even if looking backwards and analyzing personality or relationship compatibility. It's supposed to be inherently sinful. And everyone into this is onboard the hell express. I'm just reporting what I'm told.

posted September 26, 2012 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
This forum is a social and entertainment venue for me.

It's my place not to judge and opine. It is or it isn't. Believe or don't believe. Questioning would be not believing, according to the powers that be.

I still do go to church, and I'm told that it is stricly forbidden at every level, even if looking backwards and analyzing personality or relationship compatibility. It's supposed to be inherently sinful. And everyone into this is onboard the hell express. I'm just reporting what I'm told.

I'm still here, aren't I?

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I am glad you are still, here. I know I am not going to Hell, so I don't care what people say.

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