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posted March 01, 2011 03:46 PM            

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For people who say Christians should be beaten up and turn the other cheek, I want to share a Biblical perspective.
This is my understanding from my study.
It is my personal philosophy,too.

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posted March 01, 2011 03:48 PM            

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According to what I have studied on this subject, there is an earthy domain and a spiritual domain.
If one is on a spiritual mission,one may give their life for God.
In this case, one could be beaten,whipped etc and TURN THE OTHER CHEEK.

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posted March 01, 2011 03:50 PM            

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However,if one is simply bullied by a jerk, one has every right to fight back in every way possible and to never let that person near them ,again.
That is part of the earthly domain.
When using the phrase"Turn the other cheek" one must know which domain one is in.

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posted March 01, 2011 03:52 PM            

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You may want to ask "What about forgiveness"
I will explain the Biblical way of forgiveness.
The person who wronged you MUST own it. They must come to you telling exactly how they hurt you.
They don't get to make a lame excuse like they were tired/had a bad day.
They don't get to make a joke and act like it was no big deal.
They must OWN it ,totally.
If not,it ends there.
You are under NO obligation to restore the relationship

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posted March 01, 2011 03:56 PM            

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IF the person owns it, you must forgive BUT you do not trust that person until they earn your trust.
It is incumbent on them ,not you ,to win your trust by integrity and character on their part.
When ,all this happens, the relationship can be restored.
There is nothing cheap about it.

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posted March 01, 2011 03:58 PM            

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Now, as Randall said in LL 2, what about your OWN mind.
If the person NEVER does any of these steps,what do you do?
You seek peace for yourself within your OWN heart but you never need to let that person near you,again, to violate you.
That is your right and pure common sense,too.
It would be stupid to do otherwise.

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posted March 01, 2011 04:07 PM            

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Sometimes, it takes your being able to turn the other cheek, and move on with your life, for them to (eventually) realize their side of things. I don't know what you're referring to here, but it's something I'm feeling myself. You'll only hurt yourself, if you keep beating your head against that wall, waiting for them to put a hand between you and that wall, and say that they're sorry.

That's easier said than done, though. I know. Boy, do I know it.

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posted March 01, 2011 04:08 PM            

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I don't fight but if someone has a legitimate question ,that is fine.
If it FEELS like it is a fight,I won't answer.
This is my personal philosophy.

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posted March 01, 2011 04:15 PM            

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Dear Teasel
It is not about anyone else. I am just explaining who *I* am

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posted March 01, 2011 04:15 PM            

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Sometimes fighting is appropriate, if it clears the air and can be resolved without hurt feelings.

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posted March 01, 2011 04:22 PM            

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Ami, I seldom receive aopologies; in fact, some people just have a character flaw and are not capable of apologizing (sincerely anyway), although I give them profusely when I know I've wronged another intentionally out of anger or unintentionally by accident. The ultimate confessional is within. All you can do is forgive others whether or not they know, or accept, or care...and forgive yourself.

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posted March 01, 2011 04:24 PM            

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Dear Teasel
You seem to misunderstand my point. It is not about any one else.
I just want to share my philosophy,in general, about restoration of relationships.

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posted March 01, 2011 04:28 PM            

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I agree, totally,Randall---completely!!!
Some people seem to feel that Christians are cheap in how they "forgive" i.e.you can dump on them and they come up smiling.
Well, I am just saying that that is not true,for me.

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posted March 01, 2011 04:33 PM            

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Ami, I didn't see your other post, before I posted that second time.

I also only apologize when I'm sincere - and I tend to apologize profusely. Randall's quote about Linda, in a thread in LLC2, sounded like me (a fellow Aries).

When I mentioned knowing how it feels waiting for someone to take responsibility, I was talking about someone I know away from here - just in case there was any misunderstanding. They have nothing to do with LL.

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posted March 01, 2011 04:38 PM            

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I am not looking for anyone to apologize.
I do not expect any,NOT one single one.
This is just to share what relationship restoration looks like to ME.
That is it,nothing more.

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posted March 01, 2011 04:49 PM            

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I generally don't seek apologies, either. I grew up not doing so, because I grew up with people who would rather go through surgery, or jump out of a plane, than to admit that they were wrong.

At the moment, I'm all about not letting someone foist things onto my shoulders, that don't belong there. I take responsibility for my own mistakes, but this person flat out refuses to see their own. Somehow, some way, they will blame anyone but themselves.

*edit. And I posted something in Ami's thread to me, only because I meant to say it the other day- that I wasn't the only one affected. I felt bad that I'd left that bit out. i just wanted the truth, I didn't even expect an apology from whomever was the problem, because it wouldn't be sincere. I also only posted anything publicly, because I saw the "bless them that curse you" thread had been bumped. I meant what I said in that thread.

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posted March 01, 2011 04:53 PM            

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http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/003958.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/003958-2.html

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posted March 01, 2011 04:53 PM            

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I am NOT looking for apologies. The people to whom I refer are not capable of ever having the MATURITY/CHARACTER level to do it.
I am just stating who *I* am. That is it.

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posted March 03, 2011 05:17 PM            

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I don't really agree with your Biblical take. The Old Testament believed, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." Jesus said no. He rather unequivocally said you should turn the other cheek.

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. Matthew 5:38-42

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posted March 03, 2011 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by AcousticGod:
I don't really agree with your Biblical take. The Old Testament believed, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." Jesus said no. He rather unequivocally said you should turn the other cheek.

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. Matthew 5:38-42

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Indeed!
The two do NOT mean the same thing at all!

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posted March 03, 2011 05:28 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Sometimes, it takes your being able to turn the other cheek, and move on with your life, for them to (eventually) realize their side of things. I don't know what you're referring to here, but it's something I'm feeling myself. You'll only hurt yourself, if you keep beating your head against that wall, waiting for them to put a hand between you and that wall, and say that they're sorry.

That's easier said than done, though. I know. Boy, do I know it.

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posted March 03, 2011 05:40 PM            

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Dear Teasel
You seem to misunderstand my point. It is not about any one else.
I just want to share my philosophy,in general, about restoration of relationships.

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There's so much rich, interesting, lovely territory between "fighting" and just sharing one's own opinion without wanting it interrogated in any way--there's "discussion."

People presenting opinions and questioning each other's and their own isn't always a fight, and certainly isn't negative. It can be a way to learn a lot and expand ourselves.

Ami, don't you want to hear other people's philosophies, too?

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posted March 03, 2011 05:45 PM            

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AG
My Bible teacher,Andrew Wommack did a teaching on "Turn the Other Cheek"
It does not apply to someone taking a punch at you to bully /harass /demean you.
It applies to when you are on a specific Spiritual mission to BRING God to someone such as a Missionary (and I don't mean the missionary position)
If someone kicks you when you are walking down the street,you CAN kick them back.
Now,if YOU want to be kicked and beaten and not fight back ,AG ,that is your choice but it is not mine.
Until I hear a Voice from Heaven telling me otherwise, I stick to it

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posted March 03, 2011 05:49 PM            

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Well Lucia
If my heart tells me that someone wants to fight,I believe it.
I have seen you pick fights on many,many,many,many, occasions.
*I* do not care to be involved in that kind of behavior

PS I will not fight over THIS,either so don't expect me to respond

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posted March 03, 2011 06:02 PM            

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Strictly speaking, Andrew Wommack is wrong. As a Christian, you follow Christ whose words I posted. Jesus doesn't say fight back. No, he says turn the other cheek, and if God takes care of even the small birds what have you to worry about? No aggro Christian tendencies are endorsed by the namesake of the Christian church. Nor is there an endorsement of taking separate stances for your spiritual environment, and your secular environment.

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