posted April 23, 2013 02:55 AM            

Why is it so many are so passionate about both AND equate one with the other?

Just to be clear, I'm NOT asking, "How can someone believe in God but still use guns." Rather, I'm asking about the passion of equating them and loving them both as part of a package deal that a great many do (especially in the South).

Christianity is a religion where many have a faith in God (sometimes guardian angels) protecting people (you know, like those miners in Chile, and also West Virginia many thanked God for still being alive, at least until it turned out they weren't and then God just wasn't mentioned anymore, or the glurge of good Christians miraculously protected such as from a rapist with prayer, heck, some preacher gave thanks to God for one little girl being spared in the Newtown massacre as she played dead, even if that was obnoxious to the parents of the rest of the kids in her class who had been murdered), and surely everyone here has heard someone ask (if not asked), "Pray for me/someone dear to me." Some also believe, "God is bigger than any mugger." And, of course, Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep and Psalm 23 are classics that even I (and never been Christian) know by heart.

Therefore, guns wouldn't be important to taking care or protecting anyone, instead the praise should go to God with the guns being irrelevant.

So when some Californians encountered it in Texas while picking me up they were puzzled by how many sported stickers (like this) and the like that praised both at the same time. While they understand there are some especially obnoxious fundies (and have experienced them) they presumed most Christians embraced concepts like peace, love, mercy, forgiveness, turning the other cheek, and not fearing death. What they saw in Texas surprised them, it was like finding Ned Flanders praying for new guns to add to his collection. I was raised with it (in the background, my Christian family only considers guns to be tools without treating them like a fetish as many other Christians do) so I took it for granted, never really thought to question it before, and suddenly being asked I didn't know what to say. I thought about it awhile and I still couldn't say why, other than to point out that even the Pentagon buys rifles with Bible verses on them, even to give to the Iraqis (so it's not just a Southern thing).

And I also recall a guy who thought I was a Christian conservative, and when I asked him why he thought so he said it was because I'm a shooter and I support the 2A (I was downright libertarian about it back then). That is it was my "fruit" that showed I was a "Christian." (Interesting enough my doing nice things didn't make him think I was a Christian, but that I carried a gun did.)

Obviously, guns are a symbol, but of what? And how did they become an accessory of Christianity?

posted April 23, 2013 08:22 AM            

A Christian may decide to go into a hostile country and share Jesus and be willing to die for a spiritual reason. That is what many Christians do.

However, on the earth plane, if a Muslim terrorist bombs fellow American citizens such as just happened in Boston,that same Christian would want to do what Reagan did----- bomb his house and kill his family so he will stop as Reagan did with Gadafi( sp)

Did you ever see Gadafi bother anyone again after that? How many lives were saved?

A Christian has not had a lobotomy where if someone kills people he loves or attacks a country he loves, he passively accepts it, sits by and goes and studies his Bible

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posted April 23, 2013 09:05 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
The Ethical problem for a trigger happy Christian comes when fellow Christians like Timothy McVeigh or James Holmes or Jim Jones or Ted Bundy do the killings than a Muslim terrorist. Whose house to bomb when 30,000 Christians in America are killed each year by fellow American Christians? Mostly by the Guns that held in the hand that is not holding the Bible? And whose houses to bomb to punish the crimes of the Christian Catholic Priests who have sexually abused hundreds of thousands of Christian children?

Ethics Ethics Ethics....

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A thread was closed for stating the very gist of this post so I will say here:

Bravo. One Christian McVeigh is as ugly as One Muslim Tsarnaev. A fundamentalist radical is a fundamentalist radical NO matter what religious lable one applys to them. Both destroy life .

Christ does not differentiate.

Humans do and so they need a back up.

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posted April 23, 2013 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Juni
Randall does not want me to [b] LIST what Muslim terrorists have done in this world next to the very, very few Christian ones. Randall closed that thread for a reason. Respect that.

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Interesting. I thought it was to nip in the bud your attack on another Faith.

My apologies and thank you for enlightening me.

posted April 23, 2013 09:38 AM            

Randall closed it so don't start up the subject again. I am trying to respect Randall's wishes as he is the head of LL, not you and not me.

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posted April 23, 2013 09:49 AM            

The adage applys here: guns don`t kill people, people do...

and usually for the above spiritual deadening reasons.

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posted April 23, 2013 10:02 AM            

It's cool though because all of the above are giving the piggies what they deserve. They're speaking piggy language which is the only way to get your point across to the piggies.

posted April 23, 2013 12:36 PM              

let's get real. terrorists are often lone operators inspired by what they consider grave injustice. they do not represent, as gadaffi did, a country but an idea. a faith. a freedom...

chechens, for instance, are not terrorists because they are muslim but because they are under the thumb of russia. they have been fighting being "owned" for at least a hundred years. if anything they are muslims because of russia not the other way around.

posted April 23, 2013 01:05 PM            

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I wonder why the KKK isn't more often labeled for what they are - violent Christian fundamentalists

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I know this isn`t the answer for Pixies question but it is the perfect example of fundamental terrorism of the worst American sort.

posted April 23, 2013 06:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
There is an earth plane and a spiritual plane. You have to separate the two. I do and the teachers I respect do.

A Christian may decide to go into a hostile country and share Jesus and be willing to die for a spiritual reason. That is what many Christians do.

However, on the earth plane, if a Muslim terrorist bombs fellow American citizens such as just happened in Boston,that same Christian would want to do what Reagan did----- [b]bomb his house and kill his family so he will stop as Reagan did with Gadafi( sp)

Did you ever see Gadafi bother anyone again after that? How many lives were saved?

A Christian has not had a lobotomy where if someone kills people he loves or attacks a country he loves, he passively accepts it, sits by and goes and studies his Bible

A Christian is not a wimp Write this 100 times on the board for the teacher, now

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posted April 23, 2013 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Meek means HUMBLE, not weak. Humility is a right sized assessment of yourself. If you are super smart, you can say I am super smart etc

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posted April 23, 2013 07:30 PM            

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God's role on the earth plane is complicated. I would have to write several articles on it or one big one. I will, if you are interested.

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posted April 23, 2013 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Node:

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posted April 23, 2013 08:24 PM            

The Bible definition of words is different than current usage, in this case, anyway.

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posted April 24, 2013 03:46 AM            

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Everything in life--politics, art, culture, family relations, economic order--flows from the answer to this question: Where did human beings come from? "There are only two potential answers," Rabbi Daniel Lapin, president of Toward Tradition and author of America's Real War, told about 15 Washingtonians gathered at the Heritage Foundation Tuesday night.

One possibility is "over billions of years, in a process of unaided materialistic evolution, we evolved from primitive protoplasm into Bach and Beethoven," a proposition that elicited muted chuckles. "The other answer is God created us in His image and breathed the breath of life into us and made us the pinnacle of creation and put us on Earth." Rabbi Lapin continued, "How you run your life, and how you choose and make decisions throughout your life, flow directly from this." And, the rabbi contends, which side you choose in America's next civil war will hinge on this as well.

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He also kept getting back to war, which made me and at least a few others in the room nervous. "I am absolutely convinced that God is far from finished with the story of the United States of America," he said by way of summation. "First of all, [there's] the matter of the little battle that must be fought, just as it was in the 19th century." There were, and are, "two incompatible moral visions for this country. We had to settle it then. We're going to have to settle it now. I hope not with blood, not with guns, but we're going to have to settle it nonetheless. The good news is that I think our side is finally ready to settle it. Roll up its sleeves, take off its jacket, and get a little bloody. Spill a little blood. We'll settle it. And we'll win. And then there's no holding us back."

Loconte, no religious or political squish, questioned the wisdom and morality of viewing one's political adversaries as "mortal enemies." The rabbi had a ready response: Liberals aren't evil, since they have good intentions based on a faulty premise, he reasoned. But that "doesn't mean I won't have to kill you," he said to nervous laughter, "because this is a war."

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And I mentioned that guy who thought I was a Christian because I carried a gun. The reason I found this out is because he warned me of lesbians gangs running amok in the USA (a lie brought to him by FOX News), one called "the Pink Pistols" who actually carried pink pistols (the irony is that the ONLY women I knew who carried pink pistols were actually conservative women who thought it was funny, all married to men, and typically Christian who were into pink guns to affirm the femininity despite bearing arms). The Pink Pistols are actually a gay self-defense group that is made up of mostly men (and it seems to me that most women in it are actually bisexual rather than lesbian) and their politics tend to be libertarian with conservative leanings (that's in general), and I've never heard of one (of any gender) who carried an actual pink pistol.

But they represent change in which a lot of privilege is being lost as it has been happening for decades, and I think many are prepping for another civil war, and they want to show themselves ready, just as he told me to "shoot to kill" should any lesbian "pink pistols" try to rape me (hmph, I should've thought to ask him, "What if a man tries to rape me?" ). It was not only early shots fired in the coming civil war and he said "Christians like us have to be vigilant" (after hearing him talk of killing lesbian Pink Pistols I certainly wasn't going to correct his impressions of me, that guy was terrifying to me). He went on about how he believed church shootings were going to become more prevalent and that eventually the government would try to send us to camps, "It's in the Bible." (I guess he didn't believe in the rapture...)

Of course that liberals tend to promote gun control rather than attacking the culture of violence only makes them cling that much tighter to their guns (if liberals are for gun control, then that's proof that it's evil right there), but I don't think that's the primary reason, and here's why:

Guns are a symbol of independence & self-sufficiency to many (and that includes not needing or wanting handouts from the government, at least in theory, as they can take care of themselves, hunt their own food, etc), yet there are no stickers that say, "Pro-God, pro-car" (the car being another symbol of independence and ability to work), nor "Pro-God, pro-Capitalist." (And, of course, no "Pro-God, Pro-Love, Pro-Forgiveness, Pro-Charity") So it's not independence that's embraced, nor values that suggest cooler heads, instead it's the ability and willingness to wage war, which isn't associated with pickups or jobs, and certainly not love & charity (which is why my doing good deeds didn't make that guy think I was a Christian), but weapons.

And I asked that guy who thought I was another Christian who told me to "shoot to kill" lesbians why we couldn't live in peace (that is we go to church, gays go to different ones or not at all, everyone focuses on running their own life rather than their neighbor's) and he said Christianity had a duty to impose Christian values or God would destroy the USA like Sodom. And I heard a Baptist preacher give a sermon that said the same exact thing, and my family told me to stay out of Frisco & LA because God was going to destroy them (and any innocents who happen to be there). They have to show themselves on God's side or they're damned with the rest of us Sodomites & Secularists. So of course a war ("to save America") is coming (if they have their way), and for that guns are important to victory and the fighting mindset (it's harder to declare war or "rise again" if you're unarmed). It would also serve to bolster morale among others, as well as to nudge other Christians to arm themselves and spread the fighting spirit for when the time comes without actually showing their hand so blatantly as to demand immediate confrontation that they're not yet prepared for (not that I'm claiming that everyone who sports these sentiments publicly have fully realized what they're doing consciously).

Furthermore, as the South has long seen itself as a nation within a nation (like "American by birth, Southerner by Grace of God") and even resistance (in addition to "the south will rise again," and the rise of confederate flags at least in East Texas after Obama won and Gov. Perry rumbled about secession, a school I went to behind the Pine Curtain had me hating Yankee carpetbaggers more than slavery and I was raised with jokes like, "Why did the North get the Yankees and California the gays? California got to choose first") then my guess here also explains why this sentiment seems far more common in the South (as well as promoted by Southern bands like Lynyrd Skynyrd, who actually have a song called God & Guns).

And see some stickers.

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posted April 24, 2013 08:08 AM            

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The rabbi had a ready response: Liberals aren't evil, since they have good intentions based on a faulty premise, he reasoned. But that "doesn't mean I won't have to kill you," he said to nervous laughter, "because this is a war."

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I suspect this is seared into my brain and I will hear it with every mention of Rush`s name.

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