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juniperb
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posted May 05, 2013 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jesus taught that struggling against evil was not the correct approach, but rather that only the Light of Love could remove the shadow that we call evil.


Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

Gospel of St. Matthew 5:38-41

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Rising Above Opposites....
Perfection of the Heart


Many of life's most overwhelming problems are caused by misunderstanding. And one of mankind's chief obstacles is the ever-present conflict between the pairs of opposites such as good and evil, love and hatred, or peace and war. These conflicts are often rationalized and accepted as simply being the opposing forces in this world of duality... but what if they're not really opposites??

For example, consider light. In day-to-day thought we may consider light and dark to be opposites. But they're not really opposites. Light is the presence of a certain type of energy and darkness is merely what happens when that energy is not present. Darkness only exists when the flow of light energy has been blocked or obstructed by something. That is to say, darkness is only a shadow, a place where the light has not reached.

So, rather than having opposites, what we actually have is simply the presence of some quality, or the absence of that quality.

The same is true of hot and cold. We may consider them to be opposites in our day-to-day life, but they're not really opposites. Heat is the presence of some specific energy, while cold is the lack of that energy. Cold only exists when something blocks the flow of heat energy into that place.

The long-held belief in two opposing forces is really not what is going on here. There are not two opposing forces, but rather One Principle which is either flowing freely, or which has been blocked.

Duality is the means by which our minds learn to distinguish between things, but duality does not apply to God. God is One, and has neither opposite nor partner. God continually radiates beneficent qualities such as Love, Harmony and Beauty into our lives, and it is our choice whether to welcome, receive and acknowledge those qualities, or to block and obstruct them.

What then are we to say of good and evil? Or love and hatred? Or war and peace?

Evil is not an inherent quality, something lurking about, ever-ready to engulf us at each moment, but rather evil is merely the condition that exists when Goodness is not flowing freely into some area. Evil is only a shadow, a place where Goodness is not flowing freely.



rest here http://wahiduddin.net/views/perfection.htm

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posted May 05, 2013 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wonderfull post

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posted May 05, 2013 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doommlord, thank you and I`m happy you read it

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posted May 05, 2013 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea i found it to my liking even though it takes religious veiwpoints i dont believe in.... and that means a lot

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posted May 05, 2013 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love&Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice one there.

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posted May 05, 2013 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ggod Stuff, juniperb

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posted May 05, 2013 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you

I share it as a principle or my truth that guides me. It is not the Absolute Truth and perhaps no one elses. Yet, having Faith in it aids me in understanding and loving others who seem mean hearted.
They are just a little short on letting the goodness flow.

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posted May 05, 2013 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank Ggodness for the

FLOW = WOLF = FOWL

= 24 Love, Money, and Creativity

= 6 Venus-LOVE

and then you
have

LOW OWL

= 16 The Tower

= 7 Neptune, mystery and illusion
and also

EXPECT A MIRACLE !

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posted May 05, 2013 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

There is objective evil, in the universe, and what it does is seek the powerful, but with issues, then uses them.

It offers power in the world, then as it's last trick, leads to ruin.

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posted May 05, 2013 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emeraldopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as Blavatsky put it..

Good - God

Devil - Evil

..the way I see it...

As Above
Angel-OverSoul, True-Self, Ggod

So Below
Devil choice for evil or good

opposite

our purpose-mission
to become Ggod,
Master Ones-Self

we created, gave force-energy to Evil
our Choices. ...

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posted May 05, 2013 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interestingly, to me, is the Scripture speaking of spiritual possession, but I wonder how much of it was mental illness at the time, which was not understood for what it is.

And how much was actual evil interacting with mankind?

Have to admit ignorance as to what the Koran and Buddhism has to say about evil spirit possession. I do know such spirits are known as "Djinn" which anglicized is "Genie"

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"Let him who wants to, strangle and stab and fleece and flay the people.
Do not raise one finger against it. Thus they will learn to renounce the world."
~ Nietzsche

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God persuades, He does not compel;
for violence is foreign to Him."


~ Epistle to Diognetus

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posted May 06, 2013 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doommlord, It may have resonated with you because it goes beyond religion.


Sufism is not a religion. It is an Esoteric Philosophy claimed to be rooted in Islam.One may be a Christian Sufi (with many Prophets),A Muslem Sufi (one Prophet) a Jewish Sufi and so forth. As well as Athiest or Agnostic. Sufism doesn`t have a specific Prophet/religion.

The Sufi Master Ibn Arabi gives us this timeless and enchanting poem on religion.

My heart has become capable of every form:

It is a pasture for gazelles
And a monastery for Christian monks,
And a temple for idols,
And the pilgrim's Ka'ba,
And the tablets of the Torah,
And the Book of the Qur'an.
I follow the religion of Love:
Whatever way my love's camel takes,
That is my religion, my faith.
-- Ibn Arabi

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Christian, Jew, Muslim, Shaman, Zoroastrian, stone, ground, mountain, river, each has a secret way of being with the Mystery, unique and not to be judged.
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quote:
Originally posted by juniperb:

It is a pasture for gazelles
And a monastery for Christian monks,
And a temple for idols,
And the pilgrim's Ka'ba,
And the tablets of the Torah,
And the Book of the Qur'an.
I follow the religion of Love:
Whatever way my love's camel takes,
That is my religion, my faith.
-- Ibn Arabi



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posted May 06, 2013 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Their nature is opposite.

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posted May 06, 2013 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by juniperb:
Doommlord, It may have resonated with you because it goes beyond religion.


Sufism is not a religion. It is an Esoteric Philosophy rooted in Islam.One may be a Christian Sufi (with many Prophets),A Muslem Sufi (one Prophet) a Jewish Sufi and so forth. As well as Athiest or Agnostic. Sufism doesn`t have a specific Prophet/religion.

The Sufi Master Ibn Arabi gives us this timeless and enchanting poem on religion.

My heart has become capable of every form:

It is a pasture for gazelles
And a monastery for Christian monks,
And a temple for idols,
And the pilgrim's Ka'ba,
And the tablets of the Torah,
And the Book of the Qur'an.
I follow the religion of Love:
Whatever way my love's camel takes,
That is my religion, my faith.
-- Ibn Arabi


i always heard about it but really should have taken a closer look.

if you feel like it can you post some articles on the subject? (if there are any)

i would be very glad to read about it once im done with the test im having this thursday

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posted May 07, 2013 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A lovely dose of breakfast for the soul today.

Thank you, Junibug.

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posted May 07, 2013 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doommlord, sure Next week I will do so. Good luck on your test!

Charm, your welcome

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posted May 11, 2013 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Every step forward creates darkness. That is why you always have to return to the darkness, not with hate and annoyance but with gentleness and love. The words gentleness and love are crucial in the stream of Manu, of which Manicheaism is an expression. For the task of the human Manu is the salvation of the human soul. I have said it before; The human spirit is unassailable, therefore the opposing powers direct themselves towards the soul. the human soul is the real battlefield of the war between the powers of good and evil. The attempt is made to obscure the human soul, or even to destroy it, so the human 'I' is unable to gain experience through it.

Bernard Lievegoed
The Battle for the Soul

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posted May 11, 2013 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like that.

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posted May 11, 2013 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I attended a conference once where we sang this SUFI Blessing...

"May The Blessing Of God Be Upon You"

DIRECTIONS for CIRCLES--
People in the room form two even groups, then form two circles --
outer and inner circle

The inner circle turns and faces the outer
outer circle, looks at the partner in front of them....

*look into your partner's eyes,
stand palms up in front of each other,
with palms touching,....
the group all sings this song in one voice*

.......SONG [:39] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-gs8zxcDcI


........ "May the blessings of God be upon you"
*looking INTO your partner's eyes*

........ "May God's Peace abide with you"
*while singing this phrase, both raise arms/palms up together into the air, (always still touching)...
then slowly bring arms down, spread out and down like tracing the outer edge of aura (palms/hands still touching), like making snow angel wings*

........ "May God's Presence Illuminate Your Heart"
*while singing this, place your right hand over their heart; they simultaneously are placing their hand over your heart. Hold your other hand over their hand on your heart, they touch(cover) your hand on their heart*

........ "Now, and Forever More"
*break touch, bringing your hands into prayer position in front of your heart. Place the palms of your hands together, slightly bow before them, then STEP TO THE RIGHT*


*face your new partner*
and REPEAT THE BLESSING again, then STEP TO THE RIGHT and face new partner .... until everyone has had a turn.

VERY VERY powerful!

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posted July 11, 2016 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With the world swirling in news of terrorism and destruction, a little balance of faith and love is needed in each country, each religion, each life and soul.

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Thank you so much Juniperb. I find that these concepts are much easier for non-religious people to understand than religious people. They are not under pressure to conform to anything and so have more room in their hearts and minds to be honest about what it means to be a human being.

I like what one shaikh asked his students, who were a mix of religious and not so religious people:

We all know that shaytan (satan) is an enemy of Adam. Is he an enemy of God? In other words, does shaytan Love God?

In the Islamic narrative, shaytan was the most talented and intelligent of God's creation. He was frightened and envious of Adam. The angels asked God why He would create Adam (man) a mischief maker in the earth. God told them He knew what they knew not. He ordered the angels to bow down to Adam. All the angels bowed, not so Iblis (He refused). He promised to prove the inherent wickedness in man.. God told Him he would be cast into hell for eternity for his actions..the shaikh asked, and yet still, knowing the consequences for his actions he proceeds and persists. Why persist knowing your eternal destiny, knowing you will not win in the sense that you will conquer God?

An answer to the shaikh's question was never reached- Is satan an enemy of God? Does satan Love God-, but I know that for me and all of his students the question was like something that stirs a pot and brings more questions to the surface, and offers another way of looking at "evil" or the "source of evil".

His violence against us could be an act of Love?

And what we consider to be the source of pain and strife in the world could actually be the result of the first and original "misunderstanding"?

Often we search for God within (and in others). What if we were to search for satan within? I think it is easier to identify him in terms of "Love" and misunderstandings..

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posted August 22, 2016 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting.

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