posted March 23, 2014 02:19 AM            

You know, I have no idea what Randall believes in any mystical or religious sense, other than astrology, though it seems like he's impressed with the Rosicrucians (which are a type of new age Christians--at least historically, I don't know about the ones today).

We did have more Christians but I got the impression they'd always been that way or more new age as opposed to "born again." Offhand, Ami was "born again" but she got tired of people arguing her over Bible prophecy. A handful of others felt attacked if everyone didn't agree with them, and these types were typically (though not exclusively) the fundie kind that would be "born again" (even if they usually believed astrology was okay--we did have one "born again" here who tried to show us that astrology was evil but when we didn't bow to her divine revelations and Bible verses she left in a huff).

posted March 23, 2014 06:40 AM            

Pixie jane-Lexx is definitlly an anti-christian but i dont think she is an atheist.Randall must be still experimenting
about which religious cloak suits him the best.Ami is sure to impress with her new born cloak.
For me Born Again is just a term that is coined more with christianity than otherwise though it has nothing to do with personal religion..I consider it as a word that can be attributed to any person.
A hindu,A buddhist,A mohammedian,an agnostic,An Atheist all alike can choose to be born again ..Without any religious dictinction of any kind.It is a personal choice.
In all its sense it means-A New Birth.
It is about a kind of spiritual awakening.
Being Born Again transcends any cognitive ideals or precepts. One can not help but be CHRIST-like once they have fallen at the foot of the Cross.We are born into SIN. We are freed when we are born again in spirit.
It does not mean entering heaven or going back to godly source.
Born again was used by christ to denote being saved or salvation."Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."-It means just that.
It is an outlet to denounce ego,greed,jealosy and all kinds of addictions and vices also sufferings...to be renewd.

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I'm not sure we have any actual atheists here. Lexx might be, but I'm pretty sure she's talked about higher mystical beings (though not necessarily good or kindly ones), and just because she often speaks out against the church doesn't make her an atheist

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a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
"he is a committed atheist"
synonyms: nonbeliever, disbeliever, unbeliever, skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, agnostic;

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posted April 05, 2014 08:58 PM            

By chance I looked into DD forum today... Used to love reading and posting here but LIFE came at me with too many distractions. I needed to 'narrow' my activities-- limit to only a couple places, with occasional looksies in random threads...

Personally I hate it when I post something then CANNOT get back to 'respond' with timeliness. (That's not real 'me'.) I apologize for having been away from here so long.... Life can be unpredictable. Turns into feast or famine, so I tried to 'narrow' my excursions in Lindaland.

(This is a desktop computer. I can see the advantage a person has when they own portable computer equipment-- on long bus or train commutes I can see how this expands and utilizes otherwise empty "time"...)

I believe people have decided to deliberately ignore me. My feelings are deeply hurt, but I understand how that could have happened. Communicating on electronic pages is very impersonal, and some share info by others means in addition to here.

I try to stay positive but people don't know what I'm living through. I can have my pretend life here, and from time to time I'd post something deeply personal in obscure places...

I applied to a hermitage in my 20s. I didn't push for it at the time, then became a postulant in a cloistered monastery for a while. For reasons, I didn't take my vows and left, and was 'shunned' by the home parish after that. Left, and joined 'protestant' churches for years afterwards.... but it's like I've been a ghost, anyway.

To be "deliberately" shunned is terrible pain. Recently have been reminded of that... so slight. I feel its terrible sadness, but will continue to watch the letters appear as I push keys on the keyboard on the comfort of the LL pink with yellow framing...... There's comfort typing from my tower through the small window and watch my words appear on ether-sky. * I wuz here *

I became a born again Christian almost accidently.... actually by agency of the Holy Spirit. During a time of my life when I was feeling the least spiritual of all, I went to bed one night and began to have a dream.

Became "lucid" in the dream (knew I was awake IN the dream). I had a spiritual encounter in this state..... When I opened my eyes I had begun to be transformed... It was evident to my best friend at the time-- without my saying a word to her.

I would not classify it as an 'emotional' experience, although my emotions became affected by what I felt in the slow infilling happening inside my being. Emotions can be the visible sign and a human response to the soul being worked-on.

e.g. Like a pregnant woman 'feeling' the baby in her womb move for the first time. You physically feel it, AND your emotions can flood with a response TO that feeling you have of movement.

In my lifetime I felt God's presence through Nature, on the "outside" of me. Attending church services, my emotions could stir and I could respond to the music (especially). However, when I had the Born-Again "moment" I felt the warm honey (I'd feel often present) move into the INSIDE of me. It wasn't outside on my skin, but BECAME infused on the inside.

e.g. Spray perfume from liquid form in the bottle, into the air. The room becomes 'infused' with fragrance, and the emotions can respond to it.

The anniversary of this dream turned Born Again Experience occurred on April 13, 1987. (I didn't join a charismatic church until e.o. June 1988.)

The "experience" never went away. Like some people talk about a 'honeymoon' experience after wedding. My 'honeymoon' from the experience in 1987 just never went away.

A few years ago I overheard someone criticize me for 'acting' like I'm in Love.... I can try to be Silent. I can stay low presence as I can be. But when I connect to a person they can feel there's a different presence about me. I 'carry' His Presence with me wherever I go.

Even if I behave in an ugly way, or say ugly things; or if I get deeply sad, or frustrated, or whatever..... "Those" are my emotions. But True Beauty lies inside my deep heart. It is my ideal. I have chosen to try to the BEST of my ability to act and make decisions in accordance to that Ideal....

I am not perfect. Right now my feelings are hurt, and I can feel a mixture of emotional responses. I can choose to 'reject' people back, or confront them in a very unloving manner. Even though I am tempted to do that, or may actually slip-up and get involved with a VERY egoic responding---- it would ONLY hurt ME in the end, because I would have 'let my own self down'....

If the World doesn't like my Values, or sees me in a state of Love or expressing Beautiful things, they can criticize and HURT ME awfully deeply. And maybe that makes *them* feel better. But the key is what would make ME the most-happy in the long run?

The answer to that is to just continue, to the best of my ability, to be 'me.'

Other's can act that 'they' are superior and belong to their exlusive clubs to which they give the clear message that 'I don't belong.' That is their choice. Hurts my feelings, but that's "freedom." *They* can choose to act that way and feel very pleased and secretly proud of themselves and feel a special spiritual 'bonding' by excluding 'riff-raff' from their presence.

This reinforces how isolated I feel.

People say Oh you should go out, get some Friends. But my 'sense' of isolation would be sensed by them ..... inclusion just doesn't happen. The things I sense about myself are like the 'yeast' that leavens the whole loaf. Maybe I was destined to be the isolative...(as I said in the monk-hood line opening). (My chart resembles that.)

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Other's can act that 'they' are superior and belong to their exlusive clubs to which they give the clear message that 'I don't belong.' That is their choice. Hurts my feelings, but that's "freedom." *They* can choose to act that way be feel very pleased with themselves.

This reinforces how isolated I feel

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I do know what you mean, there are people of all types of belief who feel as if others don't believe as they do then they're being attacked, and as a result tend to attack or shun those who don't believe the same. (Not everyone, the funniest jokes that make fun of pagans come from pagans, that make fun of Christians come from Christians, etc, and I don't mean to limit this trait to religion, it can apply to vegans and meat eaters, for example.)

That said, there is another factor I want you to keep in mind: not everyone may be as cruel to you as you think they are. In an extreme case a person had ONE guy who didn't like her anyway mock her beliefs and she felt the entire world was attacking her though no one else had ever said anything and she went to church with people who presumably shared her beliefs (and didn't like having this pointed out, either). Furthermore, just because someone doesn't hug you close doesn't mean they don't care.

A neighbor was treated terribly, stood to lose everything due to cruelty, and she asked if I'd take her cat if it came to it. I didn't coddle her (her Scorpio may have been offended if I had) I just expressed some mild (though sincere) sympathy and that if worst came to worst I'd take care of her cat. Yet as I had extra money I went to the store and bought the things she couldn't like paper products, cat food, cat litter, and also $20 in an envelope (intended for like feminine hygiene) and took it out to her backdoor in a wheelbarrow at 2 AM (praying no cop stopped me on the way there or just as I was leaving...) and left it anonymously. As it turned out I was the only one she'd talked to (she didn't like the "cat lady" in the neighborhood) and therefore automatically knew it was me, but I tried to be anonymous for various reasons, some including I didn't want her to feel in my debt (the way many who "help" do with hidden price tags) or that I was being condescending (such charity would often be insulting where I grew up making them feel like a bum taking a dollar and feeling judged for it, an act of humiliation before a superior, and doing it privately takes much of the sting out of it as they know the "good deed" won't be bragged about at his or her expense or imposing an obligation). The point being I didn't take her into my arms to comfort her, but I still cared, more than anyone else apparently.

And that background is also important, too. You go Oprah on many people where I was raised and they'd feel you were coddling them like a baby. We were raised to be friendly and polite (at least in public) but not be all touchy feely. That, combined with my chart, is why even when I feel a lot of sympathy for someone doesn't mean I'm going to just say "you poor thing" and pat them on the shoulder--an act that would bring anger, even hate, where I grew up rather than gratitude. That doesn't mean we don't care. Ironically, we can care more than people who put on a public show of being your best friend who then try to take advantage of you as you "owe" them and/or talk nasty about you behind your back after they've pumped you for much of your story as they can so they can use it against you.

Don't be deceived by appearances.

Then there's astrology. Charts can help me how I interact with someone, and I can be a lot more expressive about my support if I know someone has a lot of water in their chart (especially Cancer sun and moon), though I generally only like doing that face to face where I can read expressions to make sure I'm not overdoing it. By the same token I've got just enough Scorpio energy to have a window into people (not that I claim "omniscience"!) and be acutely aware of my scars, but not so much that I understand stings the way other people feel them. Libra helps me to detach, Leo ASC makes me proud to stand on my own (as opposed to wanting to be treated like a princess who can't handle a pea in my mattress), Libra helps me detach and also communicate more by analyzing rather than "processing emotionally" and 5H (which enhances my Leo asc) Sag helps me shake a lot off so that while I have my scars I either hide them or tend to bear them regally.

Besides, while I can appreciate some mild support, I don't like it when someone wants to cry for me, it both makes me feel bad and also like they feel sorry for me which offends my pride. I see us all in a world of pain (when I was 15 I made a really bad poem saying that "life is a mosh pit") and we should find common ground together, not cry into our cups over it, generally speaking, or constantly propping each other up. Of course everyone has weak moments, but to do it constantly is insulting to me, and I don't want to be constantly coddled (especially by people I'm not especially close to), nor do I wish to insult them by coddling either, to those raised as I was it comes off as like..well, like patting them on the head and giving them a cookie and a teddy bear while telling them in a sing song voice that it will be okay, you love them. It's because I care, not because I don't care, that I don't go all Oprah with people.

x

The most important thing is that a study (just saw it on the news today) showed that how the brain grows in childhood determines how the brain is as an adult (though the brain is always changing). As a minor example, commercials seen as a kid are very likely to be remembered and the product seen in a positive light as a person gets older. More importantly, someone constantly bullied or abused will assume more of the same and can thus become hostile to people, or feel that they're being shunned or worse when they're not (though if you react as if you are then it's likely to become a self-fulfilling prophecy).

I'd say this is especially true OL (online) where you can't see faces or hear tones of voice. Plenty of people will assume the worst possible tone if they don't hear anything, and a lot of flame wars at LL are started because of people taking something the wrong way by assuming a hostile tone or intent. I've had people get upset with me (and remember it like a year later when I'd forgotten) because I asked a question in curiosity but they somehow "translated" it as sarcasm. But I wasn't being sarcastic, they just felt people didn't like them and therefore IMAGINED something that wasn't real into my tone and responded accordingly, sometimes with me just dropping it in confusion or not having the patience for it. In more extreme cases I even expressed sympathy only to get blasted for my "sarcasm" and once I came to the defense of someone being dogpiled on a board who thought I was attacking him and threatened to rape me and chop me up with an ax! (I also have a wicked sense of humor that can be playfully teasing but given how people imagine the worst intentions when there are none, I almost never dare do so as "playful" would surely come off as "cruel" to them.)

And then there are a couple or so on LL who seem to be deliberately confusing with what they post (one of whom said it was a defense mechanism, though I don't understand the point of posting at all then, I certainly feel no obligation to decode a deliberately encrypted post!), and whatever it is they're perceiving is probably seen as "confirmed" when no one responds (instead of their going "I should try to make more sense" they say "I'm being deliberately shunned by people who think they're better than me" -- or maybe they're "I'm so much smarter than everyone else because no one understands my secret code").

We all have our demons, and it's up to us to exorcise them, not the world, and when we don't fight them then we can become our own worst enemy. And as for when people genuinely shun or attack you, well they have their own demons to fight and probably feel that it's everyone else who treats them that way.

posted April 05, 2014 10:31 PM            

If you want something more cheerful after that I found this fun (in this case, I love this anime, at least it has potential, season 2 will either make it or break it for me)...and the song describes my can-do defiant attitude as a teenager (back when I said at 15 in a super bad poem that "life is a mosh pit" ), and especially applies after I had a vision of Freya while a runaway on the streets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpvTEPc82bw

posted April 06, 2014 03:59 AM            

(And you know how much I look forward to things you post. I 'know' your humor, and love it. I recall that incident you mentioned from almost a few years back. I remember seeing that reaction. (It had upset me at the time. I think I even stepped in on the convo back then, batting for you.

You are a good person P.J.

I liked many points of feedback you made at me...

"... when we don't fight our inner demons then they can become our worst enemy."

I will come back tomorrow afternoon late(?) to say more.

(gotta go to bed right now; eyes not focusing -- gotta go get some sleep.)

posted April 06, 2014 11:19 AM            

A very warm welcome into the world of being born again.
Born-again is reserved only for the realm of spirit.
The language we speak here is only spirit talk,as we are only one in spirit.
Our Carnal Worldview has no place in this kingdom of spirit oneness.
Our Limited Human Perspectives can never define clearly what it is like to be born gain.

BORN=Natural or Blood and Flesh birth
BORN AGAIN=Divine or Spirit Birth

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the spirit is spirit."
Notice that which is born of the spirit is spirt and not spiritual.

While Born again does foster spiritual exercises it cannot be attained through spiritual pursuits.
That could very well explain your statement-

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I became a born again Christian almost accidently.... actually by agency of the Holy Spirit. During a time of my life when I was

feeling the least spiritual of all, I went to bed one night and began to have a dream.

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Fixing or dressing up does not constitute being born again.It may only change ones behaviour to a certain extent.
Constant renewal of our spirit self is essential to nurture and strengthen our new born-again indentity.
And yes, you are deeply missed here, in that sense very sense.I long for spiritual discourses to keep me going as well.

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I apologize for having been away from here so long.... Life can be unpredictable.

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The "experience" never went away. Like some people talk about a 'honeymoon' experience after wedding. My 'honeymoon' from the experience in 1987 just never went away.

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What an exhilarating way to express such a profound moment.That is closest that anyone can get to in describing it.Very Apt.

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(This is a desktop computer. I can see the advantage a person has when they own portable computer equipment-- on long bus or
train commutes I can see how this expands and utilizes otherwise empty "time"...)

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To be "deliberately" shunned is terrible pain. Recently have been reminded of that... so slight. I feel its terrible sadness, but will continue to watch the letters appear as I push keys on the keyboard on the comfort of the LL pink with yellow framing...... There's comfort typing from my tower through the small window and watch my words appear on ether-sky. * I wuz here *

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Other's can act that 'they' are superior and belong to their exlusive clubs to which they give the clear message that 'I don't belong.' That is their choice. Hurts my feelings, but that's "freedom." *They* can choose to act that way and feel very pleased and secretly proud of themselves and feel a special spiritual 'bonding' by excluding 'riff-raff' from their presence.People say Oh you should go out, get some

Friends. But my 'sense' of isolation would be sensed by them ..... inclusion just doesn't happen.

This reinforces how isolated I feel.

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"My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness"

It only reinforces that god is here with you...If god be for us who can be against us?
Embracing God’s love with your whole heart, you have nothing less to serve than love. Embracing His faith takes care of doubt, so you don’t have to deal with it.Friends come and go like seasons, Enemies accumulate, Family is forever...who is for you and who isnt ?
"Therefore, whenever we have the opportunity, we should do good to everyone--especially to those in the family of faith"

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If the World doesn't like my Values, or sees me in a state of Love or expressing Beautiful things, they can criticize and HURT ME awfully deeply. And maybe that makes *them* feel better. But the key is what would make ME the most-happy in the long run?

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Overall Same Patterns exist.I did come out of your kind of emotions long back.The Holy Spirit seems to work in the same way.... I need more people to come forward to understand the greater truth...

posted April 07, 2014 08:33 PM            

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Rajji... Thank you so much for your kind and thoughtful reply. Througout the day I processed and was able to come to a much clearer understanding... I feel stronger, and more peaceful. Thank you... I'll be back soon.

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Thinking of you....

“We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves.”
― Dalai Lama XIV

posted April 07, 2014 09:46 PM            

Answered the wrong thread, that's what happens when I have more than one tab open!

posted April 07, 2014 10:34 PM            

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I'm glad you're feeling better, hopefully not feeling so isolated, shunned, and excluded, at least not by everyone you know.

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(love your sense-of-humor!) When I saw you respond almost immediately, I "did" (at that moment) realize that "someone" just responded.

posted April 07, 2014 11:00 PM            

NOTE TO ALL.... For those who are not familiar with me, I do NOT try to "push" my beliefs on ANYONE. (I appreciate the 'trust' that you've given me in the past, and I "thank you" FOR that trust right now once more, as I post here in DD again. Rajji, Thanks so kindly for your graciousness here with me in this thread.)
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"For me Born Again is just a term.... [that] is coined more with christianity than otherwise... though it has nothing to do with personal religion... I consider it as a word that can be attributed to any person.

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I really like this! Conversions, mystical experiences....

I believe it's from the same energy root: ['God'] is One. Mars Hill booth.... "To The Unknown God" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unknown_God

They had a space-holder for 'God'... May we come to know 'God' as 'God' is Truly Known. God is so integrated in Conscious Experience that it is hard to discern the Presence when living the routine daily life. I think the 'BornAgain' experience involves a change in ability to be aware of things that are 'right in front of your eyes' and you never realized it was there.

I had read 'holy' books and philosophies before my 'Experience' (about 10 years prior to BA experience, April 1987). When I read these texts 'again' after the experience, it was like the books went HD!!! no longer flat world.

Spiritually I was STARVING! I was looking for 'Nutrition'.... I read all kinds of philosophy, science, went to ESP type search groups. Music was a Bridge for me, also. The knowledge I got was whetting the hunger.... and I was working extra hard but the ground was 'fallow'... Water runs off fallow ground.

The BA (Conversion) experience turned my hard ground into a place where it moistened and aerated the soil.. If it got watered, (i.e. if I "read" something philosophical) then the actual experience and presence infused in the Words of "whatever" material I read, seemed to seep-in better. Enabled the message or information to ACTUALLY make better connections and inroads into where it needed to go, where my soul needed it. My mind went gourmet!

When I connected to an interest in astrology (which 'ignited' MARCH 23/24, 2009) my appreciation of God soared. What a Gift! The enthralling only gets deeper.... The Heavens Declare the Glories of God! yeah... His Fingers fashioned the Stars.... (so many songs in my head-- such worship).

After the experience in 1987, I began to 'grok' more meaning, deeper layers.

To me, (speaking for self) when 'God' (whatever you want to call him/it/'She', for your OWN self) is unified "there" in you, your petrie-dish of Living Experiences just bloom logarithmically! (hmmmm, I'm just realizing Ruth Hadikin said something similar to that on a video I saw last month? If this is your metaphor, Ruth, then this is a 'shout-out' of thanks!)

Have to 'cultivate' the Presence. Like the scripture to 'pray without ceasing'.... An inside 'space' holder develops. Keeps going. Prayer, meditation, or outer symbols can bring attention back to this place or 'space' and can re-charge so it is clearer and more close to the surface of daily small activity.

The Cloud of Unknowing....
Is possible to get to know. In my own way I theorize that this is the realm where a telepathy layer resides. Where we could possibly be aware of self to God, and Others who have a marker or type of meta space awareness there. Not always a space or place with actual 'words' but the Unknowing. It's a place or space we can have that is in-common with as many persons who touch or have connection there (whether they/we/*I* know it or realize it, or NOT)...

e.g. When liquid is 'body temperature' it can be hard to 'distinguish' it separate from your skin. Or wearing eyeglasses, hard to notice they are on your face unless you get the thought, see in the mirror, bump them, or they get dirty and you notice.

Sometimes my "sense" of the Presence grows stronger or weaker. But that is only my human sense. My deepest inner soul is never apart, even when my human senses are 'too busy' or congested with the distractions of regular living.

RELATIONSHIPS is where we "complete" the connection....

To me, it's a holy triangle: we find God, we find One in an-Other.... and we find God when we're safely collected among our Friends-- "True Friends"...

I know, I know--- A part of me is mirage-the-hermit, LOL. But I am a deep Lover of God, and I find God living in Others--- and I can't help myself when I want to get into your face and neurons and "see" Who you are, and "how" you got that way.... Every person is a walking-living story. A Universe unfolding unto itself---- and we 'happen' to meet and layer our worlds upon worlds. It's how the cosmos is constructed out in the nethers of Space, but it's how we are also each uniquely weaved together inter-relationally through the Ethers of the internet also. Virtual relationships??? CAn you BELIEVE that? Isn't it just un-REAL? omg.... (guess I'm showing my age now)

I can be too tender, too romantic and passionate about the Experience of "Experiencing" hahahaha --- heck, "God" is the collagen that holds HUMAN cells, and the fabric of our space existence "together"...

One more time---- I feel 'clumsy' in some way right now---- knowing I have SOOOO much more I need to have developed in me. I might have been much further along spiritually had I had the "proper" training. I feel "feral" in my experiences. There's MUCH that I missed in my foundation growing up psychologically/emotionally. And it's been hit and misses with 'training' any kind of path in me. But *God* is the polestar of my life.... Picks me up by the head, and eventually gets me to Right connections!

*I'm God's Secret Shopper*

[music] Fly To Paradise (Eric Whitacre'S vIRTUAL cHOIR) [13:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8oDnUga0JU

(music) With You I'm Born Again (Billy Preston & Syreeta, 1981) [3:33] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmM8aQar4Lg

(music) I Am The Bubble Make Me The Sea (Yogananda singing) [2:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQZ6QwCDOkE

(music) Cloud Colored Christ Come! (Yogananda himself singing) [9:49] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrv5kMAd1Yg

(music,**Christian**) When I Think About The Lord [5:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m132l0jpHU

(music) Be Thou My Vision by Eden's Bridge (Irish trans.) [6:06] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_qL6FNwEsY

posted April 08, 2014 11:48 AM            

When I read & re-read your posts again and went back to read all of mine as well, suddenly the entire thread screamed of spiritual jargon to me.In attempts to sound “spiritual,” much of the writing out here seemed nothing more than meaningless, jargon-laden gibberish.
Instantly I knew nobody would even attempt to understand or unearth, us two. The first aim of communication, written or otherwise, is clarity But It dosent matter coz its Spirit Talk!Seems like Only You and I can sense the clarity here....isnt it funny??
Then i recollected this "every Christian should speak in tongues as evidence of receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit."OMG...
"These signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well" (Mark 17-18). Signs and wonders....it seems.

HAHAAHAHAAAA...I laughed my heart out starting with your not so loud disclaimer...
Here is how it felt to me....

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Our Carnal Worldview has no place in this kingdom of spirit oneness.
Our Limited Human Perspectives can never define clearly what it is like to be born gain.
I think the 'BornAgain' experience involves a change in ability to be aware of things that are 'right in front of your eyes' and you never realized it was there.

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if you find ANYTHING offending on my thread, it’s purely a product of your own imagination too, ego, not my fault! Kidding aside, if you believe something should be removed from this, as you know it is inaccurate or represents a breach of copyright, please use my contact form, just raise your eyes upwards and you’ll find it, sitting beside my other tabs, promised…it will be removed asap, say a month? a year?
ok ..ok…fine…ASAP just don’t yell!

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I can be too tender, too romantic and passionate about the Experience of "Experiencing" hahahaha --- heck, "God" is the collagen that holds HUMAN cells, and the fabric of our space existence "together"...

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The fonts, words, ideas or imaginations used in my post are made from 50% recycled electrons and magnetic particles and 50% result of unexplainable phenomenon of my mental state. No salt, MSG, artificial color or flavor added; slippery when wet so be careful when you post your comments.

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Born-again is reserved only for the realm of spirit.The language we speak here is only spirit talk,as we are only one in spirit.

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Any resemblance to real persons, even to myself, living or dead is purely coincidental. No cruelty to animals or disrespect for religious, racial, social, asocial, sexual, bisexual or asexual minorities was never intended by yours truly.

Cant get this out of my head- Stupid me..lol

posted April 08, 2014 01:48 PM            

You must be on the other side of the globe from me... we posted 12 hours apart and were EACH preparing for the night and bedtimes.

Wow! You actually 'read' the whole posts? That's a chore, and that's difficult (in my case?)... I 'knew' at one point that I had gone overboard, and wrote WAY too much in one window of posting. Some have suggested that I split my writing into multiple posts. (That might be a good idea now for me to try to follow...-- afterall, "now" I've got a "reader".... !Oh, besides dear P.J.! LOL (Sometimes I print hers out, and go out on errands, where I'll read each and every word. She is extremely knowledgable-- does good research.)

Rajji, you said "When I read & re-read your posts again and went back to read all of mine as well, suddenly the entire thread screamed of spiritual jargon to me."

Hahaha.... THAT'S what I wanted to "avoid." And yet, we use a similar reference-vocabulary. So 'how' could we avoid "jargon"?..... I'm LAUGHING so hard at your 'speak in Tongues' ref. I got 'filled with the Holy Ghost' on July 3, 1988. When the mind runs out of words for what 'else' to pray, the deepest inner Heart (that realm 'without words') knows how to continue! Speak the "syllables"-- the "sounds" become like little cups or scoops. The gibberish 'vocal sounds' become a beautiful 'foreign-yet-Known/Unknown' "expression" from my Heart to God's Ear, and God's Mouth to my Heart. (Asteroid 873 Mechtild to astrol asteroid-freaks out there! haha) (Prayer language is "different" than giving a prophetic word. That's a whole other post!)

Oh LOOK! a Holy 'Roller', omg ----->>>
HEY, 'omg' in DD Forum could mean BOTH o-my-god, and/or om-my-guru? [ADD, o-my-goddess, too!]

It is NOT my intent to be 'sacriligious'.... I just have SO MUCH EMPATHY for those who have been "spiritually abused" by "RELIGION".... So my Heart and discourse flows into this direction.

I just HATE IT so much that this has happened to religious institutions. It's definitely happened to me over the course of my lifetime, and I watch them spread their influence networking throughout the various denominations, (and EVEN astrology has not been spared the "infestation" of) greedy money-grubbing wrongly-motived souls, who are like vipers who SWINDLE people, "using" the people's "vulnerabilities"---- there's a "starvation" for knowledge. True spirituality, the Realms of the Invisible Hold KEYS to the Answers that we seek as Humanity----- and the GREEDY have infused and infected the Hearts of the Leaders. The Leaders have 'fallen' to comforts, and take the "short-cuts" ETHICALLY. They are at various levels of feeling 'off' or sickish in their Conscience, to the level of FULL BLOOM selling of their souls. When they've sold their Soul to the God of Money, they can "sound" like they speak spirituality. Truth is truth. But there is 'poop in the apple-butter'.... Hungry People don't perceive this, and it can make them ill. The "food" has been 'altered' and pollutes/poisons a bit along with the nurture. Spiritual Food. People are HUNGRY--- and they are being fed "JUNK Food" religion..... JUNK-FALSE-Lies that have taint of Truths. That's what "attracts" people: TRUTH in the lies attract the starving ones. But the corpse of a Dead Bride is there! She's in her glass box, losing her allure. The Bride of Christ! has maggots crawling on her dress. In her half-trance state her senses mistake those who are sent to rot her as a 'disguise' of 'goosebump' religious '?Faiths'..... She is the Collective Bride. I'm not just speaking of the western institutions. I speak of HUMANITY and those that want her destruction.

Crying my eyes out.

When "Politics" took over the PULPITS, there were starved and sleepy people in the pews. The Politician-Preachers began to 'scare' them out of their wits.... 'money' is the 'Blood' of these vampires. They turned the Beautiful Bride of Ultimate Holy Collective Consciousness into a scared, and tranced-out ZOMBIE. (Some have Stalk-Holmes symptoms... *smile*)

These politico-religious Takers increase the BURDENS on the church (And I'm speaking of the 'Collected Human Soul' NOT 'religion')....

They yoke the half-dead 'Feminine' and make her their Slave. (We are BOTH masculine and feminine energies, yin and yang. Some males confuse "gender-BODY" with the masculine and feminine energy in EACH living soul, and the COLLECTIVE energy of Soul. Whatever "suits" their agenda, perhaps? They tantalize, lower inhibition, then SNAP that Bridle onto the Bride... Female-gender versus the 'feminine part of spirituality').

WEIGHTS of "owing God Money" or of being "labeled" as one who is short or unworthy of their own Calling. Unconscious Trickeries... 'because' they want to control Everything. Persons with cash to spend become the most vulnerable of all prey. Money is so very very slippery.... One of the Lucifer-factors.... (not the religion, please, but the concept BEHIND the idea of The Brightest and Most Beautiful Creation of Heaven, Lucifer, 'who possessed it all' but Abused His Authority, then lost his exaltation and position. This is SADLY SADLY happening to many leaders. But we have the ability to awaken these, too! History can repeat, or historic small change towards the better part could relieve suffering....

Power & Money & the "Realizing" of having total Control.... Palinurus. He fell off his mythological ship and died in the oceans while gripping the wheel. Being a Leader, feeling the pulse of the Bride, being entrusted as a physician to the soul with an assignment to keep her in Health and wellbeingness--- some 'sell' their bride short, using her.

My inner-prophet spits glowing ignots, and I lament like Jeremiah.... I've walked through life and have "seen" and witnessed so much abuse--- in various levels of institutional authority. I have 'absorbed' and held back all that Fire inside me, not knowing what I can do as a small individual. A drop in this ocean, feeling that I can say 'nothing' of value because the ocean is so great and grave.

I watch. Over history the terrible "male"-made Patriarchial WEIGHTS have placed terrible BURDENS on women. They 'demand' that you must 'earn' love. This has given Consciousness a False Image of what is truly spiritual... Women[GENDER females] are made DELIBERATELY (in a side-ways approach) to 'feel' that they cannot "measure up." (Males drunk off their mating-hormones, want 'sexually' cure all females-- NOT help balance the masculine/feminine energy, but carnally 'dominate' like their own world-wide harems... haha roflol, gotcha!). But this must be stopped by those individuals titillated by subconscious drives. The whole male-gender domination has SEPARATED the depths and the riches of the oceans of nurturing feeding life-rendering ethers from the dry air and puffy non-raining clouds at the surface....

Unknowingly spiritually, this has caused a sleepy undetected pervasive harm. Now, The Bride awakens.... This Bride will be fully integrated with the feminine/masculine aspects of her HUMANITY. She will Meet Her Lover of Her Soul (The Creator) in the Beauty of Holiness-- of WHOLEness. The waters, the ethers are flooding and will wash her clean and she awakens in Wholesomeness. After a time, her resurrecting, through the waters of layers of cleansing tears and Time, may help Heal the conditions.

No more equating the 'worthiness' of acceptance through gender, or material limitations. God's Love is Unconditional.... You do not have to surrender "materials" in ransom for Love of God. The 'fat' repulsive rich liar mega-millionaire political factions DEPEND on your feeling the 'starvation' and 'separation'. They are the TROLLS on the Bridge to Immortal Love. Holding your hunger for Spiritual things, making you think they own control MAKES the separation. This IS the spirit of Anti-Christ, to ME.

They just want to give you little teaser-bites, then TAUNT you with a reckless buy-in price, in exchange for their secrets.... which is that they have nothing, and you've been taken. They capitalize on your Hidden Resources that had belonged to you in the first place. It is a trick and lie used to 'divert' and KEEP you hunger for the Truth. Carrot on a stick! ...... (jokingly, ya know, there's gotta be value in giving up vegetables like this.... be a *BREATHARIAN* Lol... lol)

BACK TO YOU, Raji, *stepping off my soapbox* sorry...

I enjoyed your posts. Love your sense of humor. Yes, it feels sorta stilted to use Jargon Words...... but when anyone uses language filled with a core of authenticity, and when people know that their own "personal" belief systems are NOT being attacked, then I think this opens vistas.

posted April 08, 2014 04:16 PM            

Like PixieJane was saying, some of the drollest humor comes OUT of the very factions one can have either lived or are still involved with

I loved your honesty, and your 'wacky' humor! ....

Be 'sober' as far as too many chemicals, candy bars, etc... just kidding about the candy bars---- ('Don't be drunk on wine, but on the spirit!) Dionysus? Bacchus? ~~whatever!!!!

No, regarding the paragraph above this one, I'm remembering a rush of scriptures too! Like just about anything can 'remind me of a song,' this also goes for Scriptures, to me.... I had delved into years of scripture studies with the same sacred devotion (and voracious appetite)! Now I "add" a Love of Astrology to my mix! It's ALL valid, and worthy, to me.... *big heart*

You KNOW, that they're just gonna think we're crazy... But each has their "style" of being creative, nutsy. Just happens that ours incorporates the (argggh) 'language' of a "stern" hardcore 'Religious-Type' super org. oh!no..... I'm going to get you in 'trouble' Rajji.... Be careful of us 'lilith'-types.... YEPpers, all She-devils, straight out of the pits of HELLL!!! BOOOO!

Better think twice?? I'm gonna be a baaaaaad influence on you? gyoiodddd no~!!!!!!!

posted April 08, 2014 10:21 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
(Sometimes I print hers out, and go out on errands, where I'll read each and every word. She is extremely knowledgable-- does good research.)

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I hope not everything I post, that would take the toll on your ink!

But thanks, it's always nice to know not everyone skips what I post as TLDR (though I know some do, and I wish I could sum up my thoughts more succinctly).

I think you'd love my granny. She's a devout Christian who thinks very similar things as you do. And she thinks the vast majority of churches have become the hypocrites and pharisees (and worshipers of Mammon, or money/power) that Jesus ranted against in Matthew 23.

posted April 08, 2014 10:22 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
love your sense-of-humor!

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Hope you love this then:

posted April 09, 2014 01:20 AM            

I've seen many of your posts, but not all. Some stories I need reminding... About telling stories more succinctly?... yeah, but I love to hear the 'character' in the stories you tell, too. (Actually, I LIKE the fact that you do long 'diva' posts! haha, that's what I call mine: When I get all passionate about a topic and fire out paragraph after paragraph? I call it a diva post (to myself).

The way you have everything so well researched is really amazing. Makes me want to 'up' the quality of my posts. Yours are rich--- AND written very well. IMO

Would be so cool to have met your granny. I could imagine her and me start to talk about the Lord, then eventually get all fired-up about what's happening (Matthew 23) and get down to the business of praying together about the Churches.... out loud!?
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23&version=NASB