posted December 20, 2014 11:43 AM            

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For now I'm making a study of my own life.

I decided to become an orthodox Christian one day, back in my early 20's.

Yeah, it's pretty weird but seemed at the time like an inevitable step that I would have to take.

The day I converted:

Tr sun, Mercury, Mars, Saturn, and Ceres were in Aries, transiting my 9th house, conjunct my Jupiter.
Tr Neptune conjunct my Mercury
Tr Pluto conjunct my Sag Venus
Tr Jupiter in Pisces conjunct my Pholus
Tr Chiron conjunct my NN

I don't think the conversion would have happened at all except for what was going on in my progressed chart:

Pr Cap moon conjunct tr moon conjunct natal sun
Pr sun 8 Aquarius
Tr Uranus 11 Aquarius

posted December 20, 2014 10:03 PM            

I am no longer religious.

Yes please, I would love to see what kind of transits you had at that time. I did look up a few theologians and find some precise dates to work with. It turns out Martin Luther pledged his life to God after almost being struck dead with a lightning bolt (URANUS )

He was super blunt and very funny, btw. According to his wiki page, he named the schools he attended "purgatory and hell" and another one "a beerhouse and whorehouse." Yeah, forget the euphemisms.

posted December 20, 2014 11:01 PM            

Sun, moon, merc would be Cancer which is my 12H, Venus and Saturn in Taurus which is my 10th (and Freya was something of a Mother to me who Sang me into existence, and like Saturn told me I had to stand on my own feet and let myself be tempered), Mars in Gemini which would coincide with my 11H (and I did have a lot of militant protectors in the form of my krew), Jupiter in Pisces which is my 8H (furthermore I have a Scorpio Jupiter so I'd think it would align nicely with my 8H Pisces and used to transform me through mystical means), Uranus & Neptune in Aquarius (my 7H which could tie to my Libra stellium, the one on the Scorpio cusp and thus especially close to Jupiter so that the transformative energies could indeed be jarring with visions and illusions), and Pluto Sag (my 5H stellium, while my natal Pluto is part of my 3H stellium).

Holy crap, this IS interesting!

posted December 27, 2014 02:44 PM            

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Charles Haddon (C.H.) Spurgeon- 19 June 1834 – 31 January 1892) was a British Particular Baptist preacher. Spurgeon remains highly influential among Christians of various denominations, among whom he is known as the "Prince of Preachers". He was a strong figure in the Reformed Baptist tradition, defending the Church in agreement with the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith understanding, and opposing the liberal and pragmatic theological tendencies in the Church of his day.

It is estimated that in his lifetime, Spurgeon preached to around 10,000,000 people.

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Born in Kelvedon, Essex, Spurgeon's conversion to Christianity came on 6 January 1850, at age 15. On his way to a scheduled appointment, a snow storm forced him to cut short his intended journey and to turn into a Primitive Methodist chapel in Colchester where God opened his heart to the salvation message. The text that moved him was Isaiah 45:22 – "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am God, and there is none else."

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No birth time, so...this study has limited vale. Still, we can glimpse part of the dynamics:

His Draco sun-NN 0 Aries
Tr Saturn 2 Aries
His Saturn 4 Libra
Tr moon in Libra

Tr SN 24 Aqua
His Uranus 26 Aqua
Tr Jupiter square his nodal axis

Progressions:

His pr sun 13 Cancer
His pr Pluto 13 Aries
Tr sun 15 Cap
Tr moon in Libra

posted December 27, 2014 02:57 PM            

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Martin Luther; 10 November 1483 – 18 February 1546) was a German friar, Catholic priest, professor of theology and seminal figure of the 16th-century movement in Christianity known later as the Protestant Reformation.

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He later attributed his decision to an event: on 2 July 1505, he was returning to university on horseback after a trip home. During a thunderstorm, a lightning bolt struck near him. Later telling his father he was terrified of death and divine judgment, he cried out, "Help! Saint Anna, I will become a monk!"[19] He came to view his cry for help as a vow he could never break. He left law school, sold his books, and entered a closed Augustinian friary in Erfurt on 17 July 1505.[20] One friend blamed the decision on Luther's sadness over the deaths of two friends. Luther himself seemed saddened by the move. Those who attended a farewell supper walked him to the door of the Black Cloister. "This day you see me, and then, not ever again," he said.[18] His father was furious over what he saw as a waste of Luther's education.

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Check out that stellium

He had Mars-Jupiter-Venus conjunct SN
Cap Neptune squaring nodal axis
Cancer moon squaring nodal axis that day

posted December 29, 2014 06:41 PM            

I'm sorry I made that error. It should have occurred to me that his chart was available at astro.com.

Mercury-Neptune trine moon impresses me He's said a lot of things that crack me up.
Tr Pluto on that Sag Merc-Nep conjunction when he converted.

posted December 29, 2014 09:40 PM            

I really like Luther. I wouldn't be able to stomach the sermons like I used to when I was religious...but he's interesting.

He called his wife, "My Lord Kate."

And here's a book about his hearty love of alcoholic beverages:

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Speaking of that let me just do:

Calvin's Chart

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During the autumn of 1533 Calvin experienced a religious conversion. In later life, John Calvin wrote two accounts of his conversion that differ in significant ways. In the first account he portrays his conversion as a sudden change of mind, brought about by God. This account can be found in his Commentary on the Book of Psalms:
"God by a sudden conversion subdued and brought my mind to a teachable frame, which was more hardened in such matters than might have been expected from one at my early period of life. Having thus received some taste and knowledge of true godliness, I was immediately inflamed with so intense a desire to make progress therein, that although I did not altogether leave off other studies, yet I pursued them with less ardour."[7]

In his second account he speaks of a long process of inner turmoil, followed by spiritual and psychological anguish.

"Being exceedingly alarmed at the misery into which I had fallen, and much more at that which threatened me in view of eternal death, I, duty bound, made it my first business to betake myself to your way, condemning my past life, not without groans and tears. And now, O Lord, what remains to a wretch like me, but instead of defence, earnestly to supplicate you not to judge that fearful abandonment of your Word according to its deserts, from which in your wondrous goodness you have at last delivered me."[8]

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Transits of outer planets, mid-autum 1533:

*Jupiter transiting Sag, on or near his Jupiter-NN-Pluto conjunction, one wing of his kite.

*Transiting Chiron conjunct his Uranus in Aries, another "wing" of his kite.

*Transiting Pluto just entered Aquarius, applying to a conjunction with Calvin's Neptune at the base of his kite.

*Saturn and Uranus were in third decan Cancer more or less conjunct his sun and Venus. ("I, duty bound, made it my first business to betake myself to your way, condemning my past life, not without groans and tears." --> Saturn/Cancer)

posted December 31, 2014 11:17 PM            

Mercury and Neptune, yes.
Transits of asteroid Adorea 268 also figured in church ritual for adult baptism.

Vajra, thank you for mentioning about the differences in calendars. So hard. Also applies to birth day. In some cultures the baby's birthday was considered the Day of Baptism into the church group, made Alive in Christ, and not on the day born. Even places of birth are not recorded correctly for some.

REF 'Introduction' pages in The Secret Language of Birthdays, Gary Goldschneider, and Joost Elffers.

REF The Fated Sky, Benson Bobrick

posted December 31, 2014 11:23 PM            

I think my thread is sorta futile and non-ascertainable then, except for some vague hints about what the outer planets were doing.

Though my experience stands.

posted January 03, 2015 11:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
But Faith, why would your thread be futile?

2 July 1505 (jul Cal.) seems to be correct for the thunderstorm experience, so your transits in the first chart posted are valid for the second!

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Ah, thanks for bringing that to my attention. Observant

I just lose patience with discrepancies in how the births were recorded. As mirage said, sometimes the baptism date was recorded as the birth date. I'm sure astrologers have done the leg work ascertaining whether or not the birth date indicates a birth ...but without seeing how that was done, I remain a bit skeptical. (And I'm not interested enough to research it.) To me there is an important difference between a rectified chart (like Jesus' chart, as given on astrotheme) and one that emerges from more precise record-taking. I don't see much value in using iffy charts to start with when I'm trying to glean precise astrological data.

posted January 03, 2015 11:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
I have too little time right now, but will post the natal with transits for the day of the mock execution later if you think this qualifies as an example of "religious conversion"

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