posted February 21, 2015 12:25 PM            

we did create the world because god gives us free will to make the lives we wish to on earth. the collective consciousness of humanity is in the darkness not the light. thats why so much is wrong with our world. God doesn't want us to see him/her as separate from us and so far away.

Jesus said 'Me and my father are one' and he meant me and the presence of God that is above me are one and not separate.

posted February 21, 2015 12:31 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Its odd you wish I would come to the light. the light is knowing the truth about the bible and its origin. Not just blindly accepting it as the truth like so many do in the world.

we did create the world because god gives us free will to make the lives we wish to on earth. the collective consciousness of humanity is in the darkness not the light. thats why so much is wrong with our world. God doesn't want us to see him/her as separate from us and so far away.

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Yes well if you know the truth about the bible you have a strange way of showing it.

posted February 21, 2015 12:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Regulus18:
Yes well if you know the truth about the bible you have a strange way of showing it.

Free will and Creation of the World are two separate things. Do you see what I mean? You speak beautifully but there is no substance to what you are saying.

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And there is substance in yours?

If you believe in the bible why doesn't it talk about Jesus' whole life time? why only three years?

posted February 21, 2015 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Its odd you wish I would come to the light. the light is knowing the truth about the bible and its origin. Not just blindly accepting it as the truth like so many do in the world.

we did create the world because god gives us free will to make the lives we wish to on earth. the collective consciousness of humanity is in the darkness not the light. thats why so much is wrong with our world. God doesn't want us to see him/her as separate from us and so far away.

Jesus said 'Me and my father are one' and he meant me and the presence of God that is above me are one and not separate.

You say he died on the cross but he didn't die. He demonstrated that death isn't real and he let humans do what they wanted to his body in honor of the immortality that he knew would be victorious in his life and he let go of himself for that presence and to prove to us that death is an illusion and nothing to fear as long as you are connected to that immortal power flame inside and above. He let people ridicule him and responded with love because he knew the truth.

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Again love, you have gravely misunderstood the purpose of Jesus dying on the cross. He didn't die on the cross so that he could demonstrate that "death isn't real" Where did you read that in the New Testament? He died for our sins.

posted February 21, 2015 12:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Regulus18:
Again love, you have gravely misunderstood the purpose of Jesus dying on the cross. He didn't die on the cross so that he could demonstrate that "death isn't real" Where did you read that in the New Testament? He died for our sins.

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And a sin is that you don't understand the real meaning of what he came to teach just like they didn't back then.

posted February 21, 2015 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
And there is substance in yours?

If you believe in the bible why doesn't it talk about Jesus' whole life time? why only three years?

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Oh yes ma'am my part of this dialogue has been full of substance. May have been a bit harsh--but substantial nonetheless. You quoted 3 bible verses and I returned each of them null and void because you read outside of the context for which those verses were written.

You then went on and placed more baseless claims about humans creating the Earth, God residing in all of us (which he doesn not--unless they ask him for the gift of the Holy Ghost) and something about an immortal flame...which is never once mentioned in the bible.

posted February 21, 2015 12:50 PM            

...a man (just a regala 'ol guy) told me, "atheists in their rejection of "God" are some of the purest worshippers of God, whether they like it or not".

posted February 21, 2015 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
And a sin is that you don't understand the real meaning of what he came to teach just like they didn't back then.

Try not to think the bible is the tell all be all end all of our life as human beings. God existed before the bible was written and will still exist once people realize its half full of lies and half full of truth and finally push it to the side and realize the bible is from the tree of good and evil not from the tree of life.

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The bible is the word of God and does not come from the tree of good and evil.

But I hope you haven't taken any of this personally. I enjoy a good spar here and there.

posted February 21, 2015 01:07 PM            

• Truth is a percentage, and this percentage decreases in you ==> once you become a fundamentalist instead of a seeker or just an optimistic human being, to put it in simple words.
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posted February 21, 2015 01:09 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
The Pharisees knew the scriptures and had the right to say who was lost and misguided- who should not be quoting scripture. But who was in Jesus' inner circle? Rhetorical. I am always amazed at how much easier it is to discuss God with atheists than it is with religious people.

...a man (just a regala 'ol guy) told me, "atheists in their rejection of "God" are some of the purest worshippers of God, whether they like it or not".

I'm building a snowman today. Serious business, so I'm out.

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If a person was running amuck saying that a Cancer is a fire sign and an Aquarius is an water sign would you not correct them?

My delivery may have smarted but it was truth.

I myself strive to walk with Christ and I must learn not to look down on others and for that I apologize.

That being said, when you hear someone misrepresenting scripture I think it's important to correct them. But I guess delivery is just as important.

posted February 21, 2015 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Regulus18:
If a person was running amuck saying that a Cancer is a fire sign and an Aquarius is an water sign would you not correct them?

My delivery may have smarted but it was truth.

I myself strive to walk with Christ and I must learn not to look down on others and for that I apologize.

That being said, when you hear someone misrepresenting scripture I think it's important to correct them. But I guess delivery is just as important.

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posted February 21, 2015 01:24 PM            

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Well, even if it was Jehovah who said this: You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain. Ex. 20-7
Looks like some people read, but do not practice what their doctrine says.
That's... well... sad, indeed.

posted February 21, 2015 01:26 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
You are talking about facts but you can't explain why most of Jesus' life is missing from the bible.

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No ma'am, I can't. What's the point you are trying to make?

posted February 21, 2015 01:30 PM            

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No ma'am, I can't. What's the point you are trying to make?

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That you cannot disprove anything I'm saying by having your 'facts' taken from a book where there are substantial parts missing. How can you know Jesus if you don't know his whole life?

posted February 21, 2015 01:37 PM            

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Originally posted by GemBird82:
• Truth decreases in % if you are a very insecure person (never mean to say it is bad), and you use the dogma to justify your actions and/or opinions.

• Or to gain confidence by belonging to a certain group of people (often religious).

• Or to try to project an ilusion about yourself, to make you look like a Closer-to- God person, this is even dangerous if money is involved.

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What did I use dogma to justify GemBird?

There is nothing wrong with gaining confidence in being in league with the Lord and his people.

God has been my psychological therapy. He's the best kind of therapy actually. I was a hurt little boy who had no idea what to do about how estranged he had become from his father and family. My heavenly Father reached out to me in literature and caused me to remember the unconditional love of our Savior. From there I was able to work out my personal demons and join his magnificent family.

I fall often. Because I am human. But that certain group of people also known as the church (whom I do gain confidence from) pick me up every time. Such is the purpose of community.

posted February 21, 2015 01:49 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
That you cannot disprove anything I'm saying by having your 'facts' taken from a book where there are substantial parts missing. How can you know Jesus if you don't know his whole life?

If this part is missing, what else can be missing?

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The reason I spoke against you ma'am was because you were quoting the verses and stating things that have no basis in the bible and are quite easily disproven when held to judgement against God's word.

How can I know Jesus if I don't know his whole life?

posted February 21, 2015 01:52 PM            

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Originally posted by GemBird82:
Hey, I wasn't directing my comments to any specific person

Somehow, you felt it that way. I guess...
[Edit] And I wonder why...

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posted February 21, 2015 01:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Regulus18:
The reason I spoke against you ma'am was because you were quoting the verses and stating things that have no basis in the bible and are quite easily disproven when held to judgement against God's word.

How can I know Jesus if I don't know his whole life?

Here is what I know: He saved me. I need not know what happened those 18 years because they don't concern me at this time. I'll ask Jesus IF I make into the gates through walking in His light.

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He didn't save you. Your mind makes you think you were saved because your thoughts create your reality. Just because you found an ounce of comfort in religion, doesn't make your way correct.

posted February 21, 2015 02:10 PM            

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Don't cower when the lion approaches

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No sir(?) Are you a gal or a guy ?
I wasn't directing my comments to you. You felt it that way, because (from what I am reading) you fit the Archetype of the typical dogma follower pretty well.

And I know this is going to annoy you pretty badly (or I think so) but Keep in mind this: ==> I don't feel myself as a superior person or smarter than you or any other doctrine follower.

• I just think, in my humble opinion, that doctrine followers are actually asleep, instead of being awake.
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~ That's all I'm gonna say.

Since this conversation is turning into the kind of vicious cycle I know pretty well. It always leads to nowhere.
~ And I have more important things to do ( for example, folding my clothes ).