posted March 09, 2015 07:30 PM            

However, a great many take creation stories literally and THAT is what I'm referring to in this thread, the most believable IF it were LITERAL...and mine is explained thoroughly by this guy (skipped past the intro to get right to it, and never mind his inability to properly pronounce some of the names as those names are only human approximations of what is beyond our ken and vocal cords anyway):
http://youtu.be/Ob7PfxvJCN0?t=1m46s

Want to say that doesn't count? Sorry, I'm a mod, I say what counts here. And the point is that it would make more sense than say the creation story involving the Garden of Eden (though I also mean to include Hindu, Shinto, etc), or even the Greek, Celtic, and Scandinavian accounts which come a bit closer to the one I just shared. Again, when taken literally (like say the idea of the Big Bang which is yet another literal creation story--and not surprising given the guy who originally came up with that was a Jesuit priest) so that it's an account of actual events rather than a metaphor, then this makes more sense (but then Q destroying humanity with anti-time makes more sense than a god destroying humanity by a flood, too, if we're going to talk about a god that transcends all of creation and has perfect control over it, though I do recall reading in an Islam holy text that God could instantly destroy and create everything if he decided to anyway which made me wonder why the hell Muslim extremists who believed that cared then if their god obviously didn't care enough to flick his almighty will at whatever the problem supposedly was).

Granted, it's not comforting and that's just one of the reasons I find it more believable, it more accurately reflects the cosmos, and furthermore it doesn't make humanity central to anything...we're barely worth notice and in the cosmos we're but organisms on a speck of dust and our species will likely become extinct here on this tiny speck of dust (at least within the solar system). That lack of comfort explains why it never took off (of course since it doesn't involve sending money to anyone it also becomes clear why so few ever got around to promoting it like the vast majority of Mammon-worshiping clergy ironically preaching against materialism do).

Besides, even though some (possibly even mad Lovecraft himself) THINK it's fiction doesn't mean it is. And now I'll share what it means in case you think as a religion it MUST tell us what to think and do:
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=135

posted March 10, 2015 12:00 PM            

Gods that Mythos video was both brilliant and hilarious, Interestingly they must have constructed the creation story from many different elements of the Lovecraft cannon as well as from the likes of Robert E Howard and C.A. Smith because not even in the epic “At the Mountains of Madness” is a total creation narrative and the origins of the Universe divulged to the reader as a singular piece of text. Cool that they took the time to do such!

I've always found it fascinating how Lovecraft seemed light years ahead with regards to this whole recent fad of “Ancient Aliens” that is now so popular. His speculations pre-dates von Däniken by almost 50 years which makes me think that perhaps Lovecraft himself was one of the fabled beings in his own Mythos, who simply projected its consciousness from the ancient past into the future (our present)! And then upon taking residence in the quaint town of Providence, re-planted the seeds of their own creation in fictional form which has now blossomed into the Juggernaut that is Cthulhu and The Elder things once more.

The idea of Alien progenitors of humanity is a fascinating subject in of itself, and I cant help but think of Ridely Scott's Prometheus and also too one of my favourite Anime's Neon Genesis which tackles the same area in exploring the notion of both universal creation and self destruction which is based on Gnostic documents dug up a Nag Hammadi and The Dead Sea Scrolls!

Another head scratcher in that same vein of cosmology is when one lines up the Lovecraftian creation story with the Aeon creation story in Gnosticism …. WTF!?

Recently I watched this video (really its just audio) where David Wilcock (Now while I'm most definitely NOT a huge David Wilcock fanboy... Ive always kept an eye on his works as he occasionally blurts out a few interesting/random things) is “matter of fact” stating the concept of Alien progenitors (Like 70-100 Feet Tall beings) starting life both on this planet and others... (And according to David and his sources they are still in our solar system in hiding/stasis..) …. Cthulhu is that you!?

The whole time I was watching/listening to his video I was shaking my head in bemusement and wondering if David hadn't just recently been pigging out on Neon Genesis followed by a Lovecraftian reading binge?!

Its like the more I read, the more things I discover about our world/cosmos... the more and more it all starts pointing at a Universal model that was first sprawled between the pages of a Pulp Magazine almost 100 years ago, that alone is quite frightening!

And so I fear yet still... Am I in danger of becoming a true believer...? Oh the horror.. the horr.or...

posted March 15, 2015 10:36 PM            

The end part about the giants as "stasis beings" which was affected by magnetic forces...in that case it could be that "when the stars are right" (the magnetic integrity of the universe is at a special point) the stasis field could collapse and then...Ragnarok, as foretold by the Norse! And then, this:
http://youtu.be/hCySBdoY75M?t=2m6s

And no Jesus to save us.

The Nordic myths did portray the giants as workers of magic and maybe that was their advanced technology indistinguishable from magic to our minds (at least at the time) so that not only are they bigger than us but they have a superior understanding of the universe...and how to manipulate it.

And the implications are such that they're chronomancers, they get by manipulating the time stream...maybe that's the point of the stasis fields, they set it so they'd wake up when a weapon is ready or when the same gravitational effects on them would be when their enemies are weakest.

posted March 16, 2015 06:24 PM            

I find the crossover/correlation with your fiction and the Prison Moon of Miranda to be quite intriguing, but ofc from Wilcocks POV (if he believe his own theories) this whole solar systems in a Prison colony of sorts under Alien subversion.

Most of his theories with regards to progenitors occupy that bizarre zone of non-falsifiability, I cant say he is wrong... But there generally is little evidence to say he is correct either. Nonetheless, what IS of great interest to me though is how aspects of different myths when interpreted through the lens of someone like Wilcock, and Lovecraft for that matter. Tend to strike a nerve in a lot of people that leans one to question the “What if's” that have plagued humanity since recorded history and beyond... Questions that can definitely take a person down some strange rabbit holes, and at the very least make for some excellent source material for works of fiction.

I too especially loved the ending segment when he speaks of the “stasis beings”, and that when the stars are right they will awaken as the Old Ones, Illuminati Overlords... I mean its literally straight out of some Lovecraft story. Ofc, their physical description is more Nordic/European than that of the tentacled abominations of HPL but the guts of the Mythos is all their... Shadowy cults, strange technologies, hidden races underground... Yep, Wilcock has been reading ALOT of Lovecraft hue hue

Well I'd like to assume such anyhow, but in actuality I've never heard him once mention HPL in some 10 years of tracking his various videos.

Much of Lovecrafts Mythos is a synthesis that birthed from essentially 3 sources, his love and study of ancient Mythology, mostly Greek but he also looked at and read just about everything he could find when it came to Mythology in general. His love and study of Astronomy from a very earlier age which gifted him with that sense of utter insignificance (which you mentioned in your first post) when compared to the vast arena of the cosmos at large... and finally but perhaps the key ingredient that really set him apart from everyone else... Was HPL's almost Jungian-like-6th sense that evolved from the exploration and documentation of his own dreams/collective-unconscious, as many of his stories... especially the earlier ones are almost pure dream sequences just written as a story with minor narrative editing such as the likes of “Dagon”.

Now here is something funny... this will surely make you giggle!

Do you remember the name of the “trance channeller” from “The Call of Cthulhu”... The young artist who dreamed of Sunken Cities and Great Beasts rising out of the sea...? His name was: Henry Anthony Wilcoxs! - (Just so you know... David Wilcock claims to be the reincarnation of “trance channeller” Edgar Cayce)... Now how's THAT for a full circle mind frak

BTW – Joss Whedon fan here! And I think I actually nearly (pardon the expression) Sh1t myself laughing during “Cabin in the Woods”... Clearly Whedon is also a HPL fan himself! And I'd expect if Lovecraft was around today he would be writing similar styled fiction, love his works... especially Buffy

And I agree with the grill from the YT video you linked too, its probably all the same universe/Mythos!

posted March 16, 2015 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Lei_Kuei:
Do you remember the name of the “trance channeller” from “The Call of Cthulhu”... The young artist who dreamed of Sunken Cities and Great Beasts rising out of the sea...? His name was: Henry Anthony Wilcoxs! - (Just so you know... David Wilcock claims to be the reincarnation of “trance channeller” Edgar Cayce)... Now how's THAT for a full circle mind frak

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posted March 17, 2015 05:45 PM            

I cant help but be reminded of one of my favourite lines from The Call of Cthulhu.

It was from the artists and poets that the pertinent answers came, and I know that panic would have broken loose had they been able to compare notes

Indeed... My observation is an eerie Synchronicity lol

One would almost dare to suspect that ye Tentacled Gods have somehow intervened!?

posted March 18, 2015 07:51 PM            

That's odd, now that I think about it. I know that says something about the psychology of those who believe in a benevolent universe (at least on the spiritual level) and those like me who realize we're just an occurrence, like mold, possibly even a byproduct of some other intended effect

Offhand I'd guess that it must be because those others anthropomorphize otherworldly forces and so by applying HUMAN rather than cosmic motives they see Saturn as failing to forgive as well as being deprived of mercy and compassion and thus fear Saturn as they would any human prosecutor. I, OTOH, see Saturn as just another cold force in the universe (like gravity) and thus don't take it personally and also realize that by working with it I can make that energy work for me (much like the sun, do I get sunburned or am I careful so that I tan instead, and do I avoid it or learn to harness solar energy?).

To me, this quote (from Sucker Punch) is Saturn for me (note, I haven't seen the movie and thus lack movie context for it):

"And finally this question, the mystery of who's story it will be. Of who draws the curtain. Who is it that chooses our steps in the dance? Who drives us mad? Lashes us with whips and crowns us with victory when we survive the impossible? Who is it, that does all of these things?

posted April 28, 2015 02:15 PM            

Dinosaur age.

Then it got a bit more familiar.

LOTL 01

LOTL 02

The reptilian gods or "sleestak" show up in the second

episode about halfway through.

And while I don't necessarily subscribe to the 'creation' myth

in the OP, there's something to all these stories.. an element

of truth (however skewed it may be), if it's being incorporated

(indoctrination, ho!) into kids shows, since the 70's.

* And everything else we watch, for that matter.

Sid and Marty Croft.

I think they were also responsible for the BananaSplit Show.

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Nothing is permanent in this wicked world; not even our troubles.

posted April 28, 2015 02:39 PM            

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posted April 30, 2015 10:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Eirlys:
And while I don't necessarily subscribe to the 'creation' myth

in the OP, there's something to all these stories.. an element

of truth (however skewed it may be), if it's being incorporated

(indoctrination, ho!) into kids shows, since the 70's

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There are some common elements indeed. I've kept coming across them since I did research for my own story that investigated many strange conspiracy theories involving ancient aliens and supposed prehistoric civilizations.

I don't feel like going into all that but I will point out virtually all mythologies include a serpent, typically an ouroboros of some kind. Sometimes it was before all and sometimes it was born from "chaos." But thing was it was once EVERYTHING, it's another view of the cosmos (modern day scholars think our prehistoric ancestors were inspired by the snake that shed its own skin, went down into the earth and emerged again, that it must have been magical and metaphorically symbolic to them). It's interesting that in the many of the myths where the gods (or equivalent) take over by usurping others they typically imprison or destroy the great serpent (perhaps shades of suppressing snake worshipers with a new, typically patriarchal, religion?). I'm only aware of a few that still consider the serpent a hero (or antihero in some cases) though even many of the myths that demonize serpents (including Christianity) it remains a symbol of wisdom, though as Morpheus told Neo, "I didn't say it would be easy, Neo. I just said it would be the truth."

Btw, a neopagan commentary on the Christian myth:
http://www.paganlibrary.com/fundies/other_people.php

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The next chapter talks about how Yahweh, an individual member of the Pantheon, goes about assembling his own special little botanical and zoological Garden in Eden, and making his own little man to inhabit it: (Gen 2:7) Yahweh God fashioned a man of dust from the soil. Then he breathed into his nostrils a breath of life, and thus the man became a living being. (2:8) Yahweh God planted a garden in Eden which is in the east, and there he put the man he had fashioned. (2:9) Yahweh God caused to spring up from the soil every kind of tree, enticing to look at and good to eat, with the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the middle of the garden. (2:15) Yahweh God took the man and settled him in the garden of Eden to cultivate and take care of it. Now this next is crucial: note Yahweh's precise words: (2:16) Then Yahweh God gave the man this admonition, "You may eat indeed of all the trees in the garden. (2:17) Nevertheless of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you are not to eat, for on the day you eat of it you shall most surely die." Fateful words, those. We will refer back to this admonition later.

Then Yahweh decides to make a woman to go with the man. Now, don't forget that the Pantheon had earlier created a whole population of people, "male and female," who are presumably doing just fine somewhere "outside the gates of Eden." But this set-up in Eden is Yahweh's own little experiment, and will unfold to its own separate destiny. (2:21) So Yahweh God made the man fall into a deep sleep. And while he slept, he took one of his ribs and enclosed it in flesh. (2:22) Yahweh God built the rib he had taken from the man into a woman, and brought her to the man. Right. Man gives birth to woman. Sure he does. But that's the way the story is told here. (2:25) Now both of them were naked, the man and his wife, but they felt no shame in front of each other. Well, of course not! Why should they? But take careful note of those words, as they also will prove to be significant...

Now this next part is where it starts to get interesting. Enter the Serpent: (Gen. 3:1) The serpent was the most subtle of all the wild beasts that Yahweh God had made. It asked the woman, "Did God really say you were not to eat from any of the trees in the garden?" (3:2) The woman answered the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees in the garden. (3:3) "But of the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden God said, 'You must not eat it, nor touch it, under pain of death." (3:4) Then the serpent said to the woman, "No! You will not die! (3:5) "God knows in fact that on the day you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, knowing good and evil." What a remarkable statement! "Your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, knowing good and evil." The Serpent directly contradicts Yahweh. Obviously, one of them has to be lying. Which one, do you suppose? And, if the serpent speaks true, wouldn't you wish to eat of the magic fruit? Wouldn't it be a good thing, to become "like gods, knowing good and evil"? Or is it preferable to remain in ignorance?

(Gen. 3:6) The woman saw that the tree was good to eat and pleasing to the eye, and that it was desirable for the knowledge that it could give. So she took some of its fruit and ate it. She gave some also to her husband who was with her, and he ate it. (3:7) Then the eyes of both of them were opened and they realized that they were naked. So they sewed fig leaves together to make themselves loincloths. The author makes an interesting assumption here: that if you realize you are naked you will automatically want to cover yourself. Further implications will unfold shortly...

(Gen. 3:8) The man and his wife heard the sound of Yahweh God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from Yahweh God among the trees of the garden. (3:9) But Yahweh God called to the man. "Where are you?" he asked. (3:10) "I heard the sound of you in the garden," he replied. "I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid." (3:11) "Who told you that you were naked?" he asked. "Have you been eating of the tree I forbade you to eat?"

And so the sign of the Fall becomes modesty. Take note of this. The descendants of Adam and Eve will be distinguished throughout history from virtually all other peoples by their obsessive modesty taboos, wherein they will feel ashamed of being naked. It follows that those who feel no shame in being naked are, by definition, not carriers of this spiritual disease of original sin!

(Gen. 3:12) The man replied, "It was the woman you put with me; she gave me the fruit, and I ate it." Right. Blame the woman. What a turkey! (3:13) Then Yahweh God asked the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman replied, "The serpent tempted me and I ate." So of course she blames the serpent. But just what did the serpent do that was so evil? Why, he called Yahweh a liar! Was he wrong? Let's see... (3:21) Yahweh God made clothes out of skins for the man and his wife, and they put them on. Out of skins? This means that Yahweh had to kill some innocent animals to pander to Adam and Eve's new obsession with modesty!

And now we come to the crux of the Fall. Yahweh had said back there in chapter (2:17), regarding the fruit of the tree of knowledge, that "on the day you eat of it you shall most surely die." The Serpent, on the other hand, had contradicted Yahweh in chapter (3:4-5): "No! You will not die! God knows in fact that on the day you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, knowing good and evil." So what actually happened? Who lied and who told the truth about this remarkable fruit? The answer is given in the next verse: (3:22) Then Yahweh God said, "See, the man has become like one of us, with his knowledge of good and evil. He must not be allowed to stretch his hand out next and pick from the tree of life also, and eat some and live forever."

Get that? Yahweh himself admits that he had lied! In fact, and in Yahweh's own words, the Serpent spoke the absolute truth! And moreover, Yahweh tells the rest of the Pantheon that he intends to evict Adam (and presumably Eve as well) to keep them from gaining immortality to go with their newly-acquired divine knowledge. To prevent them, in other words, from truly becoming gods! So who, in this story, comes off as a benefactor of humanity, and who comes off as a tyrant? THE SERPENT NEVER LIED!

This story, to digress slightly, bears a remarkable resemblance to a contemporary tale from ancient Greece. In that version, the Serpent (later identified as Lucifer, the Light-Bearer) may be equated with the heroic titan Prometheus, who championed humanity against the tyranny of Zeus, who wished for people to be mere slaves of the gods. Prometheus, whose name means "forethought," gave people wisdom, intelligence, and fire stolen from Olympus. Moreover, he ordained the portions of animal sacrifice so that humans got the best parts (the meat and hides) while the portion that was burned to the gods was the bones and fat. In punishment for this defiance of his divine authority, Zeus condemned Prometheus to a terrible punishment for an immortal: to be chained to a mountain in the Caucasus, where Zeus' gryphon/eagle (actually a Lammergeir) would devour his liver each day. It would grow back each night. Zeus promised to relent if Prometheus would reveal his great secret knowledge: Who would succeed Zeus as supreme god? Prometheus refused to tell, but history has revealed the answer... The interesting thing about all this is that the Greeks properly regarded Prometheus as a noble hero in his defiance of unjust tyranny. One may wonder why the Serpent is not so well regarded. On the contrary, snakes are loathed throughout Christiandom. (3:23) So Yahweh God expelled him from the garden of Eden, to till the soil from which he had been taken. (3:24) He banished the man, and in front of the garden of Eden he posted the cherubs, and the flame of a flashing sword, to guard the way to the tree of life

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The point being that even as a sinister being the serpent is still portrayed as a bringer of wisdom (and an end to innocence) similar to Neo in the Matrix he showed the people what the Agents/Archons/Whatever didn't want humanity to know. Not to say that truth or learning is an easy experience and can be downright painful.

Serpents, dragons, and even leviathans continued in the Bible and early Christian tradition such as St. George and the dragon, for example, or St. Patrick driving the snakes from Ireland, though whether this was the killing of truth/wisdom or the defeat of evil is, I suppose, open to interpretation.

But nevertheless the stories endured and they changed into stories today of shapeshifting lizards and even reboots of the Anunnaki (note that from the original myths the gods and known universe were created from the remains of Tiamat who is often portrayed as a dragon, perhaps being referenced in the Bible as the Leviathan).

posted May 01, 2015 06:14 AM              

BUT HOW ??

Does any of this surfeit of information

help you make sense of ....

YOUR OWN LIFE today????

(And.. DOES it even?)

Where do YOU think you fit in, Pixie Jane?

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Maybe we are all just individual cells(each with its own awareness)..making up a greater unit =called God?

WHO KNOWS???!

But for sure, we must learn to differentiate between
1)"right" & "wrong"
2) pain & not pain
3) good & evil
4) VALUES that enhance Life, and those that do NOT

Needless to say, presently,
1) due to a majority of Anti Life principles being allowed to govern too long,
and
2) humans DEFAULTING their individual minds to outside "programming"

Our current Human Existence is due for "destruction". YES. Hopelessly lost.
=
"Clean the slate & try again

(= a REBOOT )

There will be YET another CREATION (story)for mankind coming up in the Future..

For we are here on PRISON PLANET.
You don't escape until you've learned the lessons
Over & over the wheels of Karma turn, lessons repeated.
Time has no meaning, here on Prison Planet,
-the wheels just keep turning
-civilisations come & go
- all learning the same lessons
- grist for the mill
- gradually individuals get it and pass on.. invisibly
But of course droves more to come..
The Eternal Wheel of Karma, processing, milling, refining souls..

How long does it take?

As long as a bird, with a silk scarf in its beak touching the mountain as it circles round..
How long before silk scarf wears away the mountain?
That's how long it takes.