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posted December 22, 2016 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

(music) O Holy Night (Josh Groban; scenes from The Nativity Story) [4:50] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zh-yR0pbmU

Cool visuals... opens with magi, and the triple conjunction forming in the sky.

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posted December 24, 2016 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The journey was a long one. The caravan took about two years to arrive.

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The journey was a long one. The caravan took about two years to arrive.
Most caravans took years back then.
The silk road was very long.

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posted December 24, 2016 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lexxigramer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch2en/conc2en/silkroad.html

The ancient Silk Road.

The Silk Road and Arab Sea Routes
The Silk Road was the most enduring trade route in human history, being used for about 1,500 years. Its name is taken from the prized Chinese textile that flowed from Asia to the Middle East and Europe, although many other commodities were traded along the route. The Silk Road consisted of a succession of trails followed by caravans through Central Asia, about 6,400 km in length. Travel was favored by the presence of steppes, although several arid zones had to be bypassed such as the Gobi and Takla Makan deserts. Economies of scale, harsh conditions and security considerations required the organization of trade into caravans slowly trekking from one stage (town and/or oasis) to the other.
Although it is suspected that significant trade occurred for about 1,000 years beforehand, the Silk Road opened around 139 B.C. once China was unified under the Han dynasty. It started at Changan (Xian) and ended at Antioch or Constantinople (Istanbul), passing by commercial cities such as Samarkand and Kashgar. It was very rare that caravans traveled for the whole distance since the trade system functioned as a chain. Merchants with their caravans were shipping goods back and forth from one trade center to the other. In addition to silk, major commodities traded included gold, jade, tea and spices. Since the transport capacity was limited, over long distance and often unsafe, luxury goods were the only commodities that could be traded. The Silk Road also served as a vector for the diffusion of ideas and religions (initially Buddhism and then Islam), enabling civilizations from Europe, the Middle East and Asia to interact.
The initial use of the sea route linking the Mediterranean basin and India took place during the Roman Era. Between the 1st and 6th centuries, ships were sailing between the Red Sea and India, aided by summer monsoon winds. Goods were transshipped at the town of Berenike along the Red Sea and moved by camels inland to the Nile. From that point, river boats moved the goods to Alexandria, from which trade could be undertaken with the Roman Empire. From the 9th century, maritime routes controlled by the Arab traders emerged and gradually undermined the importance of the Silk Road. Since ships were much less constraining than caravans in terms of capacity, larger quantities of goods could be traded. The main maritime route started at Canton (Guangzhou), passed through Southeast Asia, the Indian Ocean, the Red Sea and then reached Alexandria. A significant feeder went to the Spice Islands (Maluku Islands) in today's Indonesia. The diffusion of Islam was also favored through trade as many rules of ethics and commerce are embedded in the religion.
The Silk Road reached its peak during the Mongolian Empire (13th century) when China and Central Asia were controlled by Mongol Khans, which were strong proponent of trade even if they were ruthless conquerors. At the same time relationships between Europe and China were renewed, notably after the voyages of Marco Polo (1271-1292).
During the Middle Ages, the Venetians and Genoese controlled the bulk of the Mediterranean trade which connected to the major trading centers of Constantinople, Antioch and Alexandria. As European powers developed their maritime technologies from the 15th century, they successfully overthrew the Arab control of this lucrative trade route to replace it by their own. Ships being able to transport commodities faster and cheaper marked the downfall of the Silk Road by the 16th century.

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posted January 02, 2017 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Till next year...

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posted January 06, 2017 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Happy Epiphany 2017!!!

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RELIGION
The History And Customs Behind Epiphany, Or ‘Three Kings Day’

It’s the day the Magi visited Jesus with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

The Feast of the Epiphany, marking the end of the 12 Days of Christmas and the new season of Epiphany, is observed on Friday, January 6, 2017.

Epiphany — which is variously known as Theophany, Three Kings Day and El Dia de los Tres Reyes — is a Christian celebration of the revelation of the birth of Jesus to the wider world.
This is embodied most in the story of three wise men visiting a newborn Jesus with gifts, found in the Gospel of Matthew 2:1-12.

In this story, Magi (wise men) from the east follow a star to Jerusalem, where they ask the presiding king, Herod, what he knows about a newly born “King of the Jews.”
This sounds like a challenge to Herod, who gathers his priests to learn where and who is this king.
They relay a prophecy that Messiah will be born in Bethlehem, and Herod sends the Magi there, saying: “Go and search carefully for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.”
The wise men — Gaspar, Melchior and Balthasar — eventually find Mary and her son, Jesus, to whom they bow and worship.
The Magi give Jesus gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh, and then return home, for a dream told them to bypass Herod.


While Roman Catholic and Protestant Christianity focuses on the story of the Magi, Eastern Christians, like the Greek Orthodox, celebrate the baptism of Jesus on Epiphany and consider the day to be more important than Christmas.

Traditionally, Epiphany is observed by blessing the home (recalling the Magi’s visit to Jesus’ family), blessing water (especially the Jordan River, where Jesus was baptized), exchanging gifts, performing “Magi plays” (to tell the story of Jesus’ childhood) and feasting, most notably on a “King Cake.”

But celebrations vary around the world. In Spain, “El Dia de los Tres Reyes” (“Three Kings’ Day”) is observed with parades, and children leave shoes out to receive gifts from the Magi.

In Poland, celebrations include blessing a piece of chalk and mark their doors with the year and the letters “K+M+B,” which are based on Latin and signify “May Christ bless this house.”

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ref www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/what-is-epiphany-2017_us

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posted December 18, 2017 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON 2017



(music) We Three Kings (Mediaeval Baebes) [3:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1VtxYSlNVE

(music) I Saw Three Ships {Camels} (The Mediaeval Baebes) [1:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfzN6MbT0f8

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posted December 19, 2017 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So Christmasy!

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posted December 20, 2017 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't get glitter on your hands!

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posted December 21, 2017 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

(music) Cells, Planets (Erika Lloyd, arr. Petersen, perf by Avante) [6:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQMOH4C7CAc
(music) Corpus Christi Carol (Mediaeval Baebes, from Of Kings & Angels) [2:56] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKup-wZpEWg

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posted December 22, 2017 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is that an angel or a fairy?

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posted December 23, 2017 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going with fairy, because of the wand.

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posted December 26, 2017 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your clue was correct.

(music) What Child Is This? (Andrea Bocelli & Mary J Blige, scenes from The Nativity Story a 2006 drama-film) [4:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wix14BuE09o

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posted December 27, 2017 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes!

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posted January 01, 2018 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Waiting on the day of the Wise Guys, next.

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posted January 07, 2018 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Pope Francis celebrates 'Epiphany 2018' (Jan 7)
The following has an article plus several news vids following in succession...
w English subtitles
http://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-francis-celebrates-epiphany-vatican-165742554.html
.....

(music) They Followed His Star (Brooklyn Tab Choir, lyrics) [4:40] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBObzRrZCYc

(music) Rise Up Shepherd and Follow (The King's Singers, 2013) [2:31] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1blcp9nL5Co

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posted January 09, 2018 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going to slip in one more Christmas song...
People in our neighborhood (Spanish) used up the last of their strong fireworks last night, commemorating the "Feast of The Magi's visit to The Child."

(music) What Child Is This? (Chris Tomlin, perf by All Sons & Daughters, lyrics, w guitar chords) [2:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jroBAl3WW8

There is some excellent information on this website.
- http://www.fisheaters.com/epiphanyeve.html

You'll find customs.. dramatic reading scripts, food recipes, words to ancient carols, and music links.

Excerpts below are all quotes -------

The Magi and Their Gifts

Typified in the Old Testament
by the Queen of Saba (Sheba),
who entered Jerusalem
"with a great train, and riches, and camels that carried spices, and an immense quantity of gold, and precious stones"
in order to ascertain King Solomon's greatness (III Kings 10),

the three Magi
entered Jerusalem
bearing gold, frankincense, and myrrh
for the newborn King.

The Fathers see in their gifts omens of Christ's life:

The Gold
as a sign of His Kingship.

The gifts of gold and frankincense
were both prophesied by Isaias
in the sixth chapter of his book.

The Frankincense --
a gum resin (i.e., dried tree sap) from the Boswellia tree,
native to Somalia and southern coastal Arabia --
as a sign of His Deity.

Mixed with stacte, and onycha, and sweet galbanum,
it was used by Moses to set before the tabernacle as an offering to God,
and was considered so "holy to the Lord" that it was forbidden to use profanely
(see Numbers 30).

The Myrrh --
a brownish gum resin from the Commiphora abyssinica tree,
native to eastern Africa and Arabia,
and used in embalming --
as a sign of His death.

Myrrh, along with cinnamon and cassius,
was used by Moses to "anoint the tabernacle of the testimony, and the ark of the testament"
(Numbers 30).

It has analgesic properties, too,
and was offered, mixed with wine, to Christ on the Cross, which He refused
(Mark 15:23).

Nicodemus brought myrrh to annoint Our Lord's Body after death
(John 19:39).

The Golden Legend, written in A.D. 1275
by Jacobus de Voragine, Archbishop of Genoa,
describes the gifts thus:

...by these three be signified
three things that be in Jesu Christ:

The precious Deity,
the soul full of holiness,
and the entire Flesh all pure and without corruption.

...And these three things be signified
that were in the ark of Moses.

* The rod which flourished,
that was the Flesh of Jesu Christ
that rose from death to life;
* the tables
wherein the commandments were written,
that is the soul,
wherein be all the treasures of sapience and science of Godhead.
* The manna
signifieth the Godhead,
which hath all sweetness of suavity.
* By the gold
which is most precious of all metals
is understood the Deity;
* by the incense
the soul right devout,
for the incense signifieth
devotion and orison;
* by the myrrh
which preserveth from corruption,
is understood
the Flesh which was without corruption.

> Poetry-----

The Journey of the Magi
by T.S. Eliot (1888-1965)

'A cold coming we had of it,
Just the worst time of the year
For the journey, and such a long journey:
The ways deep and the weather sharp,
The very dead of winter.'
And the camels galled, sore-footed, refractory,
Lying down in the melting snow.
There were times we regretted
The summer palaces on slopes, the terraces,
And the silken girls bringing sherbet.
Then the camel men cursing and grumbling
And running away, and wanting their liquor and women,
And the night-fires going out, and the lack of shelters,
And the cities hostile and the towns unfriendly
And the villages dirty and charging high prices:
A hard time we had of it.
At the end we preferred to travel all night,
Sleeping in snatches,
With the voices singing in our ears, saying
That this was all folly.

Then at dawn we came down to a temperate valley,
Wet, below the snow line, smelling of vegetation;
With a running stream and a water-mill beating the darkness,
And three trees on the low sky,
And an old white horse galloped away in the meadow.
Then we came to a tavern with vine-leaves over the lintel,
Six hands at an open door dicing for pieces of silver,
And feet kicking the empty wine-skins,
But there was no information, and so we continued
And arrived at evening, not a moment too soon
Finding the place; it was (you may say) satisfactory

All this was a long time ago, I remember,
And I would do it again, but set down
This set down
This: were we led all that way for
Birth or Death? There was a Birth, certainly,
We had evidence and no doubt. I had seen birth and death,
But had thought they were different; this Birth was
Hard and bitter agony for us, like Death, our death,
We returned to our places, these Kingdoms,
But no longer at ease here, in the old dispensation,
With an alien people clutching their gods.
I should be glad of another death.

-- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Eliot,_T.S.

This author provides an interesting turn, and point of view---
St. Augustine (b. 354),
in his Contra Faustum, Book II,

had this to say to those who believe the Star of Bethlehem was a natural occurrence,
or that it was detected by means of astrology:

{quote within quote}

We, too, deny the influence of the stars upon the birth of any man;
for we maintain that, by the just law of God, the free-will of man, which chooses good or evil, is under no constraint of necessity.

How much less do we subject to any constellation the incarnation of the eternal Creator and Lord of all!

When Christ was born after the flesh,
the star which the Magi saw
had no power as governing,
but attended as a witness.
Instead of assuming control over Him,
it acknowledged Him by the homage it did.

Besides, this star was not one of those which from the beginning of the world continue in the course ordained by the Creator.

Along with the new birth from the Virgin appeared a new star,
which served as a guide to the Magi
who were themselves seeking for Christ;
for it went before them till they reached the place where they found the Word of God in the form of a child.

But what astrologer ever thought of making a star leave its course, and come down to the child that is born, as they imagine, under it?

They think that the stars affect the birth, not that 'the birth' changes the course of the stars;
so, if the star in the Gospel was one of those heavenly bodies, how could it determine Christ's action, when it was compelled to change its own action at Christ's birth?

But if, as is more likely,
a star [which did not exist before] appeared to point out Christ,
it was 'the effect of' Christ's birth,
and not the cause of it.

Christ was not born because the star was there; but the star was there because Christ was born.

If there was any fate,
it was in the birth, and not in the star.

The word fate is derived from a word which means to speak;
and since Christ is the Word of God by which all things were spoken before they were,
the conjunction of stars is not the fate of Christ,
but Christ is the fate of the stars.

The same Will that made the heavens, took our earthly nature.
The same Power that ruled the stars, laid down His life and took it again.

~*~*~
More articles...
The Traditional Catholic View of Astrology

"Praise ye Him, O sun and moon:
praise Him, all ye stars and light''

- http://www.fisheaters.com/astrologybackground.html

- http://www.fisheaters.com/zodiacsummary.html

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posted February 27, 2018 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 16, 2018 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great post, mirage.

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posted March 16, 2018 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceelo Green: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ptNwE7K8o

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posted March 27, 2018 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Ceelo Green: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ptNwE7K8o

Thanks for the bump, Randall.

SecretGeek.... That was beautiful.
Thank you so much for the add.

(music) E'en So, Lord Jesus, Quickly Come (Paul Manz, Kansas City Chorale, lyrics) [2:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCut48BRwEs

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Thanks for the bump, Randall.

SecretGeek.... That was beautiful.
Thank you so much for the add.

(music) E'en So, Lord Jesus, Quickly Come (Paul Manz, Kansas City Chorale, lyrics) [2:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCut48BRwEs


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