posted April 13, 2016 04:44 PM            

It's the New Age version of The Rapture, I think?

Earth is heading for a big change where only the enlightened souls will survive. I've recently encountered this notion in...

* Eckhart Tolle's book The Power of Now
* Paulo Coelho's book The Valkyries
* A Vedic astrology blog video
* Another video about what the aliens want us to know about earth coming into the 5th dimension
* A site about angel healing

All in the past few months. I never heard of it before that.

Do you know about this?

posted April 15, 2016 09:43 AM            

Ascension seems like a warped ego fantasy, ie God will prove to the world that I am more special than the masses when He physically lifts me up above them.

I think each of the sources I mentioned above has a slightly different take on it.

I'll have to find the exact passage in The Power of Now that speaks of the end of the world. I looked online and found Tolle saying:

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Until fairly recently, there was not yet a need for large numbers of human beings to awaken. For the first time in human history, a large-scale transformation of consciousness has now become a necessity if humanity is to survive. Science and technology have amplified the effects of the dysfunction of the human mind in its unawakened state to such a degree that humanity, and probably the planet, would not survive for another hundred years if human consciousness remains unchanged. As I said earlier, evolution usually occurs in response to a crisis situation, and we now are faced with such a crisis situation. This is why there is indeed an enormous acceleration in the awakening process of our species.

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In this other context of a grand awakening, there isn't as much ego. More like there is a river of energy moving upwards and people are hopping in and getting pulled with the current.

posted April 16, 2016 01:27 AM            

i saw a video which said this shift in consciousness will happen gradually between 2015-2022 and by the end of it half the worlds population will be associated with some kind of healing profession, nobody has said the world will end, but there will be a gradual subtle change over a period in human outlook, could be even a longer period

posted April 17, 2016 01:34 PM            

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Originally posted by anekksadh:
with neptune transiting pisces along with south node, it is the right time for experiencing higher meditative states and heightened consciousness

i saw a video which said this shift in consciousness will happen gradually between 2015-2022 and by the end of it half the worlds population will be associated with some kind of healing profession, nobody has said the world will end, but there will be a gradual subtle change over a period in human outlook, could be even a longer period

not sure, lets see how life plays out

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posted April 17, 2016 07:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
^I agree. Tolle's comment IMO is not a typical doomsday prediction, he only points out (and I certainly share that sentiment) that the level of potential destructiveness our technological development has reached requires a similarly large-scale development in the human character to avoid danger through misuse. Otherwise it's like handing a loaded gun to a toddler. So he gets no argument from me there.

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This is the curious quote from The Power of Now:

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Can you now see the deeper significance of becoming present as the watcher of your mind? Whenever you watch the mind, you withdraw consciousness from mind forms, and it then becomes what we call the watcher or the witness. Consequently, the watcher - pure consciousness beyond form - becomes stronger and the mental formations become weaker. When we talk about watching the mind we are personalizing an event that is truly of cosmic significance: Through you, consciousness is awakening out of its dream of identification with form and withdrawing from form. This foreshadows, but is already part of, an event that is probably still in the distant future as far as chronological time is concerned. This event is called - the end of the world.

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Hmmm so maybe that is not technically the same idea as what others are getting at. But it's similar.

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*ETA* Example of what I mean: [URL=http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/27/vasili-arkhipov-stopped-nuclear-war]Vasily Arkhipov, the man who stopped nuclear war in 1962

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I couldn't follow the article perfectly and I'm still curious about what he actually did, so I will research more.

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Originally posted by Vajra:
In the post above, I only talked about those kinds of predictions that feature 1) a wrathful deity (who would even want to worship such an entity? Does GOD really suffer from NPD? I don't think so.... ) and b) a selection process between the 'chosen' and 'discarded' ones. Typically they come from people with a background in one of the 'Abrahamic' religions. Wonder why that is, too.

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Yes

Well the one message I saw, from an alien abductee, if you believe in alien abductees, and of course you do, she she said that it's not a matter of judgment against the unevolved souls, they are just taking longer to get higher, but there is room for everyone at all the different levels of existence.

The idea appeals to me. Maybe I was abducted before and brainwashed myself.

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Anyway, I'm glad to hear Tolle didn't mean that. Am not familiar with his work apart from the few quotations that you posted here and there, but it would have surprised me big time nonetheless if he'd actually been communicating such things, as he seems to be very much about the here and now.

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posted April 17, 2016 07:19 PM            

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Originally posted by anekksadh:

i saw a video which said this shift in consciousness will happen gradually between 2015-2022 and by the end of it half the worlds population will be associated with some kind of healing profession, nobody has said the world will end, but there will be a gradual subtle change over a period in human outlook, could be even a longer period

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posted April 18, 2016 01:06 PM            

Though, my viewpoint matches yours.

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Sorry, I assumed the Cuban Missile Crisis and related stuff such as nuclear doctrine during the Cold War were better known than they actually are and therefore thought it was a good example.

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I know about the Cuban Missile Crisis. I didn't know about "nuclear doctrine" aside from the idea of mutually-assured destruction (not sure if that's a doctrine.)

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During that time, there were very concrete plans on both sides regarding retaliation strikes for nuclear attacks, and they would have resulted in a chain reaction on all concerned sides, launching probably all the then existing weapons.

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The concrete plans were not given in the article, hence my confusion. The article you posted above said,

If the B-59's torpedo had vaporised the Randolf, the nuclear clouds would quickly have spread from sea to land. The first targets would have been Moscow, London, the airbases of East Anglia and troop concentrations in Germany. The next wave of bombs would have wiped out "economic targets", a euphemism for civilian populations – more than half the UK population would have died. Meanwhile, the Pentagon's SIOP, Single Integrated Operational Plan – a doomsday scenario that echoed Dr Strangelove's orgiastic Götterdämmerung – would have hurled 5,500 nuclear weapons against a thousand targets, including ones in non-belligerent states such as Albania and China.

...And I thought, "How do they know that for sure? On what grounds do they sound so positive about this?"

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The US would certainly have retaliated in kind if one of their carriers with over a hundred planes and thousands of soldiers aboard would have been obliterated by a nuclear weapon, without any question...ust think of what happened after 9-11

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Well...I like JFK and think he might have chosen another reaction.

posted October 05, 2016 08:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:

Wikipedia has an incomplete yet impressively long list of past (and failed) doomsday predictions during the past 2000 years: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events
Kinda funny that people nevertheless keep doing this (making more such predictions). What was Einstein's definition of insanity again?

Third, I always wonder what about the human psyche makes these apocalyptic ideas (of a selection between the "worthy" and the "unworthy", and of large-scale violent destruction of our shared habitat) so attractive to some people. Is it perhaps a wish to belong to a "chosen" group, in order to mentally escape from a state of mediocrity in real life, even if it's only imaginary? Just wondering, I have no answer on this one.

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Some thoughts to consider:

Prophecies about the end of the world, Bible book of Revelations included, don't mention the actual date. Rather they talk about events preceding it. The dates that have been thrown around since beginning of the era, are purely interpretations and speculations. People associate 'signs' to the original prophecies and try to come up with dates, which is pointless or in some cases just plain crazy. No one knows the date of the end of the world, or what the end of the world actually means. Perhaps the world we know is just a hologram and 'the end' means it will cease to be projected, the veil falls and a new way of living begins.
There is probably many reasons why people make these timeline predictions, some are worried about cruelty and injustice in the world, others are trying to gain power and rule by fear.

In terms of judgment day and the chosen/worthy/enlightened that will only survive... Lets look at this from a different perspective:

posted October 07, 2016 09:44 PM            

What you said makes sense to me...though I suppose love could keep spirits here, too? Or just more of a familiarity with earth?

I don't really understand ghosts.

My great-grandfather's ghost is supposedly still active in the house where he lived; it was on some local TV program. He died in 1925. Nobody ever saw him as an evil person. I wonder why he's still here, if he is.

posted October 07, 2016 09:46 PM            

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In the NDE stories I've read, sometimes there is a hell-phase, but it's always temporary.

In Eben Alexander's book, hell has grating noises (frequencies that went through him and felt harming) and heaven has celestial music.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Alexander_(author)

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Oh wow, I just checked the link...what an interesting man, I have to get his books. thanks so much :flowersmile:

posted October 07, 2016 11:04 PM            

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Thank you, I'll check that out.

What you said makes sense to me...though I suppose love could keep spirits here, too? Or just more of a familiarity with earth?

I don't really understand ghosts.

My great-grandfather's ghost is supposedly still active in the house where he lived; it was on some local TV program. He died in 1925. Nobody ever saw him as an evil person. I wonder why he's still here, if he is.

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It's not that they are all evil. Sure some evil is there too, but some souls are just totally overwhelmed by materialism and vibrate that frequency. That wasn't the absolute worst place.

There is another concept however for the discarnate souls wondering around, disoriented or confused... not ready to move on, because they didnt get to finish something or are worried, or did something and died before having the chance to make amends, or simply haven't realised that they have died.

My close friend has an ability or a gift, where she helps souls pass over to the other side. This happens usually during astral dreaming, sometimes meditation.

So there was a house with a beautiful sunny garden, and two women were living there. Souls from 1940's. They did not realise that they have died. She explained and asked them to go, and they said that they cant leave because they have to renovate the house and look after the garden, they worried who will take care of the garden if they leave. They've probably perished in the war.

We went for a trip to Italy, and in one little town she had a dream where she was led to a convent basement where she found two young nuns. They died locked in a cell, they were scared of the head nun and afraid to get out of the room. So fear was keeping them there.

Another one. At a workshop which was taking place in a country house. Not long after we arrived, my friend told me that a boy with a missing leg grabbed her arm and was begging for help because he was really scared. Never mind the fear, he was just scared of the man living in the house, and i'm not surprised. As the story turns out, he was cutting grass in the field, and only noticed his little sister sleeping in the grass when his scythe was a few inches from her. He tried to prevent the tragedy, but it was too late, in the process he cut his leg off and bled to death in the field. She died in her sleep instantly. The guilt was keeping him there, he could not forgive himself. He was from 1950's.

posted October 07, 2016 11:39 PM            

Fascinating stories!

And I see what you mean now...different reasons for sticking around.

I have stories about that but it's late and I've told my stories over and over. I get bored of myself.

But I haven't given much thought to my great-grandfather. No, there was no mystery to his death, not that I'm aware of, just poor health and then a stroke.

He was a Scorpio, and very passionate about everything. It could be sheer materialism keeping him there, since he was wealthy and acquisitive. The house is now a masonic headquarters, but the video I saw shows that personal items of my family's are still in the house. I guess they bought it furnished.

I actually tried to visit the house. Uhhh, you cannot just knock on the door to a masonic headquarters and expect people to show you in. LOL But I was allowed to step into the foyer, and I earnestly scanned all around me hoping to see my great-grandfather.

I felt and saw nothing, but it was creepy in a good way.

The masons explain the ghost by saying that he was a devout Catholic who lingers in protest of the non-Catholic activities going on in his home. Stops the clock, knocks things over, appears in sunlit windows.

There's more to that house but if I explain, anyone could probably google it and know which house it is.

In my mind I like to pretend he's also attached to his family. I've dreamed about my grandmother (his daughter) also being in that house, and the house in my dream matched the interior that I saw later on YouTube of all places. So I'm inclined to think my dream was somehow true about more than just the structure of it.

Maybe there is a codependency issue, where neither wants to leave the other.

Might erase this later

posted October 08, 2016 09:30 AM            

So, perhaps your ggfather needs help, its no accident you saw your gmother. The clue may be in your dreams and you can ask your gmother for a message. If you'd like to solve this story, I mean.

Anyway, i might edit too

posted October 08, 2016 11:24 AM            

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Is it true the veil opens on Halloween?

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