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Lara
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posted January 11, 2009 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
DRACO

my karma square his sun/DNA/merlin
his karma opposes my sun and square my merlin
my karma conjunct his karma/arthur
his karma conjunct my karma/arthur
my merlin opposes his sun/DNA
his merlin square my sun/arthur
my merlin conjunct his merlin
his DNA my sun/karma/arthur and opposes my merlin
his arthur opp my sun
my arthur square his sun/merlin
my arthur conjunct his karma /arthur
his arthur conjunct my karma
his launcelot opp my guinevere

hehe you are right! lol

his launcelot opposes my guinevere and trines my sun/MC, sextile my karma/arthur
my guinevere opposes his launcelot, conjunct his mars, trine his karma/arthur, square his morgan/AC
ALL IN DRACO

NOTE:
Oour juno's are conjunct our karma's

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Lara
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posted January 11, 2009 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
in tropical -
my guinevere trine his juno/karma/arthur and opposes his launcelot, squares his atlantis exact.
His launcelot trines my atlantis.


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darkdreamer
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posted January 11, 2009 06:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Very nice, Lara!
And Now I want to read how you`re going to interprete it all. Come on, get started! I`m waiting. What do all these connections tell you or mean to you?

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Lara
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posted January 11, 2009 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
ok

well, launcelot and guinevere points to lovers in this/past life, aspecting karma/juno means karmic marriage or destined by fate?

Not sure where Arthur comes in though and i guess atlantis DW with his launcelot and my guinevere means that it was an atlantean lifetime? (i thought launcelot was different from atlantis?)

So i guess with it all being in draco and tropical it is carried over from past life to this one? We have the same thing with Tutenkhamun actually so it seems like a few lives spent.

This one seems to be about marriage though, no?

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darkdreamer
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posted January 12, 2009 11:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Lara,

"well, launcelot and guinevere points to lovers in this/past life, aspecting karma/juno means karmic marriage or destined by fate?"
Well, Karma / Juno could point to a karmic marriage or relationship.
But Lancelot and Guinevere have never been married. Actually they have become the archetype of "adulterers", as they were cheating on ARthur.
The interesting thing is that Guinevere seemed to have genuinely loved Arthur (it was a love marriage) before Lancelot appeared, with whom she shared this passionate love.
And even when Arthur was dead and she was free to marry Lancelot, she declined. She felt guilty for ARthur`s death and thought she had to pay for this and became a nun, never seeing Lancelot again, for the rest of their lives.
So, not the happy couple I think!
Still, it was a very passionate love!

Well, the reason I brought Atlantis into this, was that in the myth around Avalon it is said that the priests and priestesses thought their origin was in Atlantis.

However, the ARthurian legend and Avalon is not completely the same, even though they overlap. So, for the love couples we maybe should not apply Atlantis in here.

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Lara
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posted January 12, 2009 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Gosh and he is STILL married.. although he has been separated for ever.

wow.. kind of uncanny no?
It feels fated and def karmic!

It feels also like there is nothing l can do about it either. I can't run away and l can't go forward because of his marital situation, so it's a bit like check-mate and yet the draw is immense.

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darkdreamer
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posted January 12, 2009 02:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Lara,

I`m sorry to hear that he is still married.
Must be a hard situation, but then again it fits the Lancelot- Guinevere - ARthur triangle perfectly I agree.

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posted January 12, 2009 02:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message
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katatonic
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posted January 12, 2009 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i was disappointed not to find igraine (arthur's mom by uther pendragon via merlin's trickery - and morgan's also) in the list - or is ywaine the same? nor could i find grail or chalice or annwn which would be = to avalon...however viviane (lady of the lake/ lady of avalon)is represented #1623.

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Lara
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posted January 12, 2009 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
yeah it does DD and to be honest i'm not sure l can do this with him, which also fits the archetype of guinevere
ho hum !

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posted January 12, 2009 03:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Katatonic,

yes, I found this frustrating, too.

BTW Viviane conjuncts my Morgan, exactly opposes my Karma and Draco Viviane sits exactly on my IC and also conjuncts Isolda. lol


BTW Ywain was a knight of the round table and the best friend of Gawain.

He was in love with and married a woman called Laudine, but due to a broken promise, she "broke up" with him, which made him go insane. He lost his honour at the round table, his wife, but after a time remembered his virtues and started fighting for the good again. In the end Laudine forgives him and ther eis actually a happy end for once.

Of course in the beginning he killed her first husband, whom she loved, and it took some time for her to fall in love with Iwein, but she apparently did.

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posted January 12, 2009 03:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message
There is no asteroid Laudine, but an asteroid Loden (5937); the prononciation would be similiar, It hink, even not the same.

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posted January 13, 2009 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
yes, that would be right about ywain. i always had a thing for igraine - what a trip she had! viviane is on my ic (tropical) and merlin on my sun/pluto/p.fortune. i am very slow putting it down have to lay the charts out in front of me old fashioned as i am...

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posted January 13, 2009 12:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Merlin is also on my Sun.

I`m pretty lucky, I have a good memory for important placements in my chart. Usually I just have to see it once to have it stuck in my mind.

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posted January 13, 2009 04:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Very cool thread!

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http://www.tamsoft.co.in/articles.html

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darkdreamer
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posted January 14, 2009 09:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I forgot this one in my list:

Ginevra (613), which is a form of Guinevere

EDIT:
She sits on 26.5 Sagittarius in my chart, conjunct my Sun (orb:0.6) and also conjuncts Merlin. lol

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posted January 15, 2009 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
on further inspection, so far:

arthur conj NN trine galahad trine merlin/sun/etc (just so happens my english father in law is named arthur!)

stonehenge sextile excalibur (exact) squaring my dsc (exact again) and camelot (by 4 dgr)

lancelot opp guinevere sq my sun/merlin complex (3 dgrs largest orb)

viviane is on my ic exact (also conj my dad's sun!) widely opp guinevere(6 dgr)

morgan is square my saturn/merc and moon, therefore the 4th point to my tsq!! while fay is 4 dg from my venus!!

on top of the father in law connection, my ex, whose name is raymond (which means "king of the world" or "wise protector") has his sun on my camelot and moon on my stonehenge.

another man i know, whose sun is exactly opp my ex's , has many placements tying into these too, in synastry & even more so in composite...

i'm getting hooked into this!! and trying to figure out what it can mean...

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Lara
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posted January 15, 2009 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
ok in natal l have

arthur opp sun and conj juno/karma
merlin sq sun/juno/karma

in synastry with someone l have:

his camelot opp his launcelot
his merlin conj my juno/karma/arthur and opp my sun, sq my merlin
his arthur trine my sun/launcelot, conj my MC
his galahad trine my NN/galahd and opp my knight
his excalibur conj my moon/venus/saturn/NN/AC
his knight sq my sun/juno/karma, conj my merlin
my merlin opp his moon and conj his knight
my arthur conj his merlin/launcelot
my guinevere trine his launcelot/merlin
my launcelot opp his sun/camelot and trine his juno/arthur
my excalibur trine his mars and opp his pluto
my knight trine his moon and opp his galahad

similar theme to natal! weird
Again, pretty good aspects yet with a different person! I almost prefer these aspects

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Lara
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posted January 15, 2009 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I have composite merlin conjunct exact pluto at 22'29 virgo with someone... might be quite interesting?

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posted January 19, 2009 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
just for curiosity sake i looked up someone i am NOT attracted to or particularly connected to, though he is connected to someone - some of the placements are pretty amazing but the connection is zilch! i mean this man's sun is on my venus trine my jupiter, his union is splat on my sun, his camelot on my DSC...it goes on. the guy is fairly easy to talk to but less than zero in the "connection" dept!

anyone else tried this?

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posted January 19, 2009 12:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Have you first applied IQ`s rules regarding ASC and True Node aspects?

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posted January 20, 2009 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i have no birthtime for him or his friend, but even without asc/mc data the connections are pretty strong...and with his friend they are way beyond. i was just experimenting with a neutral(as far as i know!) person, whom i may yet get to know better and discover a stronger connection but i usually know pretty immediately with "important" people that they are going to play a part in my life...

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posted January 20, 2009 03:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Well, personally It hink we are pretty generous with our astrology here.

If you want my real honest opinion, I would only allow orbs of 2°, max. 3°, but with painfully distorted expression on my face, I would limit the asteroids.

And most of all I would base my interpretation mainly on the rulers of ASC, DSC; IC, 5th and 8th house; t hen in a second step would apply aspects (conjunctions and oppositions) to ASC, IC, Nodal Axis, Sun, Moon, Venus and Mars.

Of course I would do all that only AFTER having looked at the natals.

You can have the most wonderful synastry, but what if you don`t resonate with that synastry? We tend to find our own natal patterns in significant synastries again.
Like I always find a Venus-Pluto-aspect; now you can say this is generational, but I find it in different generations, with tight orbs, and especially over house ruler ships.


But even then, it all just spells out a potential.


I agree with Paul Westran here, most often a relationship only starts, if there is progressed synastry with Venus.

I have had a wonderful, brilliant synastry with a guy I met. Sun-Moon-conjunction, Venus-mars-trine, VAlentine-Juno-dw, ASC-Eros-DW and really strong aspects to important house-rulers, even good house placements, but it turned out (after I realized it wouldn`t lead anywhere) we didn`t have progressed Venus synastry.
It may sound too simple, but it really was that simple. The timing was off. Simple as that.


Actually if I am in doubt, progressed synastry has the ultimate word for me, as I haven`t seen the theory fail yet (of course I have seen nothing yet, so maybe I will see the failing of this theory, but until now it hasn`t, and I so wished it had been different, cause I really could have liked that guy).

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Lara
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posted January 20, 2009 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Talking about Paul Westran, what do you think of Progressed venus exact conjunct natal sun DD?
The guy i'm meeting has this aspect on the day i meet him!

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posted January 20, 2009 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
well as i said i don't have THEIR birthtimes, though i can guess at one of them; but i do have MY birthtime, and this "neutral" guy's NN is right on my asc, his camelot is on my dsc, his union on my sun, his sun trines my jupiter and IC and i'm forgetting what else is there - oh his venus/pluto on my union /ceres. these are all within 2 deg..

as i said, i don't think this guy is significant my point was that the chart is not the deciding factor unless the connection is already there...

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