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Lara
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posted February 01, 2009 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD,

I can tell from VenusdeIndia's vibe and posts that she is alot more than she lets on!!!

The types of threads she commences for one; her parents synastry for two; her photograph for three... she has an incredible aura. It is almost like Mother Meera's

As for Venus in Gemini... it could be HSC or GG or xyz... the point is - l believe that Venusin Gemini doesn't meditate nor is nearing connection of the highest self and therefore IF my theory is correct (which l believe it is, and answers a lot of these questions) her man is a soul mate.

anyway, who cares... as long as you LOVE and are happy, breathing and have a roof over your head and hot water why let the EGO get all fussy about what type of man you are dating!!!


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Lara
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posted February 01, 2009 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But if someone believes they know the absolute truth, they won`t see them.

haven't you just shot yourself in the narrow-minded foot?

IT IS YOU WHO IS NOT SEEING THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

there is only one ONENESS and ONE TRUTH.

I suppose God and Jesus were narrow-minded too, especially Jesus when he spent an entire lifetime trying to teach ignorant, ego-based humans the truth about the HIGHER SELF!

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Diandra23
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posted February 01, 2009 09:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lara

i am aware i let my Ego take the lead a lot of times in my life,but i have some very nice friends who are always ready to make me see that,fortunately (like GLB or DD)- But now after reading your latest post...

my feeling is that you are letting your own Ego take your lead.
we dont presume we are special...WE KNOW WE ARE
Each one of us are special in our own uniqueness,but as what i am seeing,none of us here were trying to be MORE than you.

you were the one who thought that.

BTW - what does my Aura tells you?

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Lara
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posted February 01, 2009 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So you know that you are not unique then and that you are just part of a collective consciousness. Nothing special about any of us and that is the POINT!!!!

I am talking about the higher self - rather like if l spoke about a car part but oh nooooooooooo, you vultures just HAVE to come and peck my eyes out.
Well it speaks volumes..VOLUMES about yourselves as people. Compassion and understanding are the two upmost qualities l look for in people and i'm just not seeing it here.

Sure, i'm being blatently honest - why would l not be? I'm true to myself, for the greater good of humanity and Universal energy.

I'm not a clown Diandra - l won't jump through hoops just to prove myself. I don't need to.

May i ask you a question?
IF you totally trusted your man and your relationship's security with him, why would you need to tear apart your astrology with him for so long?
what is it you are looking for?

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posted February 01, 2009 09:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i didnt said or implied you were a clown-just like you talked about VenusdeIndia aura,i thought you could also see mine.

tear apart?no...just like ive said so manny times...im a virgo.and in my own complexity of human being who is not yet evolved.i tend to analise.i like to.its part of myself.

im looking for....help to find out what kind of lessons we wil learn together.Im searching what diferent kinds of stages we are onto;im seeing what kind of past lives we lived together.
Im looking for ways to show him what are his own karmas,and how better can he deal with his family karma also.
Im looking at how can I improve for being better:for be less insecure ( it is a part of me being insecure of myself),and sometimes that passes onto otherīs:my family,my friends,my lovers.

I know WHAT me and him have together.I KNOW his love,i know MINE.
iTīS NOT a matter of trusting him

And i ask you this so:why you ask about all your relationships too?is caus you dont trust them to be your SM?
i saw how you tried to put IīQ into the doubt when yyou dindt liked what he said about your composite or sinastry chart.

if you know what you have,then why did you believed IQ?if you wouldnt have believed you wouldnt have said to him he wasnt right...you were afraid that what he said..would be in the end..true?

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posted February 01, 2009 09:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Put away your sword.
Don`t you know that it`s all over?
It was nice but now it`s gone.
Why are you obsessed with fighting?
Stick to fishing from now on."


Mmh, always loved the musical "Jesus Christ Superstar".
Diandra, PA do you know it?
I always thought it was AMAZING how Jesus was so open and tolerant to everyone else and letting them learn their lessons in their own pace. Just so full of acceptance for everyone.
What an extraordinary soul!

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posted February 01, 2009 09:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i never saw it DD

Nver been to musicals...but yes he is extraordinary.

no one would ever trust so deep and generously in the Human Kind as he did...it was one of his lessons...to TRUST IN OURSELVES

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Lara
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posted February 01, 2009 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes l think it's good to put down the analysing tool and just go with the flow, no?

As for me, no... l know they are my soul mates because l am told and pushed toward the lesson l must learn. I like to see in astrology if the lessons can be viewed and also l want to see if by the aspects and orbs whether the soul mates become increasingly more in tune with you the more you go through.

I am an aromatherapist and l never practise it. I only learnt it so l could use the energetics of the oils within a healing environment, side by side as an additional tool (n chakras).
I view astrology the same - it allows me to pin-point my ex soul mates and to see the pattern of my lessons. I find it fascinating yet keep a perspective on it.

I know you and Johnny will be fine Diandra. You are very alike in energy but you already know this.


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posted February 01, 2009 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD

I love musicals.

I wonder if there is one about Pluto-Persephone/Proserpine?

Have you ever thought what life would be like if it were a musical? That we would stop in the middle of the street and break into song and dance? Brilliant. That's my kind of world.

Jesus. Yes. A wonderful teacher for us all. Regardless of religion or beliefs otherwise.

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posted February 01, 2009 10:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PA,

you mean like in the Buffy-musical. It was so HILARIOUS when they started singing about mustard. lol

I can`t believe you like musicals. Noone does except for me.
I have to dig, but I do not think there is one about Pluto and Persephone. Hey maybe the perfect project for us?


Diandra,

yes, I adore Jesus immensely. Always have done. A great teacher, even though he didn`t exactly teach.

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posted February 01, 2009 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tigerlily     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with DD, Diandra and Peace Angel.

I particularly agree with this quote:

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You see, that is the problem I have with that talk among spiritual people.
Everyone claims to know the truth, to know how it feels and know what it is, like you claim to know what a Higher Self is and what it feels like.

The thing is: it could be, it could be true. It could be exactly what you say it is.

Or it could be not. It could be illusion.

It`s truth. Yes, but it`s your truth.


Anyone in a physical incarnation who claims to know the ultimate and absolute truth is a person living in illusion. This is because we are human beings, living on the physical plane - and by definition, that creates limitations and illusions. All we know is filtered through the human mind; the Higher Self/Soul may be in sync with the Higher Mind but it's all still filtered through the paradigm of the subjective human mind, the human psyche/personality programming, the human's Cosmic Plan and the human's life experience.


Now, can we get back on topic?? I know Mercury is Rx but this argument/debate is really ruining this wonderful thread.

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posted February 01, 2009 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD

Well, it would be a good project - if I had any musical talent.

Ah, that never stopped me before. I'll have a go. You know Aries - we'll try anything. Partnered with an equally crazy Sag, it's an unstoppable team.

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posted February 01, 2009 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Jesus. Yes. A wonderful teacher for us all. Regardless of religion or beliefs otherwise.

yes, it's a shame his message was distorted and so we are still struggling with the "higher self" concept

He didn't teach, correct... he simply lived and those whom were enlightened and close to their highest selves followed in his 'teaching by doing' mentality.

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Tigerlily,

Yes, I just thought exactly the same. Let`s get back to what this thread is about.

REgarding the other things, of course I agree with you.

PA,

oh yes, I can`t compose. I can write the lyrics though. ACtually I have written some lyrics, but have no music to put to them.

But well you know music is the key.

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posted February 01, 2009 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ayone in a physical incarnation who claims to know the ultimate and absolute truth is a person living in illusion.

So tigerlily, are you saying that cos l believe that LOVE is the absolute truth to all of existence that l am under some illusion? I sincerely hope NOT!

If so, What is your Absolute Truth then? Tiger lilies?

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posted February 01, 2009 10:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear all,
Let us ignore the direct areas of disagreement and move on.
PA, Lara, DD, Diandra, I dont find reason to disagree vehemently with anything you all have written, it is just persepctive.

Venus in Gemini has met her "Twin Flame", the highest possible Soul Mate. There is no doubt about it. VIG's spiritual level is far ahead of mine or even Venus De India's, both of us infact learnt a lot from her experiences.

Lara, you are talking of the Twin Soul, that may possibly be experienced only in the Higher Spheres after a very high frequency transformation. In the rarest of the rare cases only the Twin Souls may meet. It may be like two buddhas, I hope this clarifies?

Come on, let us dissolve the arguments and take this research further.

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posted February 01, 2009 10:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diandra,

have you checked the other soulmate-asteroids in your synastry with John?
Can you relate to those themes?

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Lara
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posted February 01, 2009 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Lara, you are talking of the Twin Soul, that may possibly be experienced only in the Higher Spheres after a very high frequency transformation. In the rarest of the rare cases only the Twin Souls may meet. It may be like two buddhas, I hope this clarifies?

yup, it does clarify cos this is what i'm saying IQ.. also in christianity and pretty much all the faiths/religions!
There is nothing beyond the oneness of the HS.

All roads lead to rome

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posted February 01, 2009 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQ

How can VIG be with her twin flame/soul if she is not connected to the HS herself then?
Are you saying that you have absolute proof that one can connect to the twin flame whilst not in touch in the highest self? hmmm... so then what is a twin flame, if not your soul?
Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

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posted February 01, 2009 10:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQ,

I LOVE you.

It`s exactly what we should do, move on to more fruitful exchanges, and remember that iīt`s all a matter of perspective.

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Let us all continue then

Lara

go with the flow? easier to say than do-at least for me.One thing i am completely sure about myself:i am not able to go with the flow,as i am ALWAYS worrying with sth:if nothing exists to worry,then iīll FIND sth to worry then.

I believe this is another thing i must learn to,and probably it is my highest source of problems in my life.

DD and PA
I WOULD love to see Phantom of the Opera alive.it is one of my favourites of all times!i find menīs voice so beuatiful-it is one thing that makes me fantasize:and Gerardīs Butler voice and Joshn Grobaīs are 2 that i simply ADORE!!

Btw talking of Jesus..did you found DA Vinci Code interesting?hwat about Jesus and MARY being SM( or twins i dont know for sure..).
at 1st i thgought: no way!but then i came to the conclusion that he had all the right to live Love with a woman.Afterall..isnt Love for all?

Tigerlilly
i have been reading conversations with God-i think many of what you have said resonates with the BOOk.i am findinf it very complex and complicated,that is why i al reading it so slow hihihi

IQ
What is the diference between Twin Soul and TWIN Flame? i am confused cause i thought it was the same...

DD
Probably i did! i analysed it so much hihi - but i cant remenber exactly what i found out.
of what payrings are you asking?

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posted February 01, 2009 11:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diandra,

Gerry is gorgous and I also like Josh`s voice.
Yes, go see it live. It`s a wonderful piece of music and the story that goes with it. which actually somehow fits a little bit with the Persephone- theme, as he kind of abducts her, too.

I was thinking of the couples IQ mentioned:
Venus-Mars
Eros-Psyche
Cupido-Psyche
Juno-Jupiter
Zeus-Hera
Adonis-Inanen
ADonis - Venus / Aphrodite (that is my adding; I donīt think they are soulmates, but very much in love)
Isis -Osiris
Siva - Kaali
Siva - Parvati

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Lara
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posted February 01, 2009 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
who is inanen please?

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posted February 01, 2009 11:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Diandra, if you have a look could you use 2° orb, but include the quinkunx?

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posted February 01, 2009 11:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lara

innanem was the partner of Apollo but DD is the one specialized in Greek and Romanic Myths

DD
I answered in the thread i iniciated
however..let me see the orbs :P

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