posted January 30, 2009 08:01 AM            

Oh finally! You're here. Must be lunchtime?

I like what you said. Very much.

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The Gods and Godesses are not nor have ever been external really existant entities.

My take on this is a different one:
People observed feelings they had inside, certain traits and so on, and to communicate them they projected them on mythological figures.

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From what I remember from Ancient History classes it was unusual for the Ancients to depict abstract concepts in their art and writing. These stories had to come from somewhere. Especially as they were entities that were worshipped by people. But then, how different is it to the concept of God and the varying religions people worship now. But that's another discussion. So, I'm open to the idea that if the Ancients worshipped them, then they could have been more than mythological figures. Somehow! In some way, in some place, even some other place, time, universe, etc, they could have existed, in some form.

posted January 30, 2009 08:02 AM              

speaking for me im only interested in SoulMates,as my current bf is one hihih

i see this as: we all fall in love not by our own wanting,but for other one´s:The HIgher One that created ALL.

mY BELIEFS Pass by knowing that before we encarnate,we choose where to go and by what Paths to live in that lifetime.
that will necessarily bring choices of the people we will have to meet:so according to that,we CHOOSE,but then in the moment we are born,we forget all these memories of the PRE-ENCARNATION and so...it is establsihed the power of free-will.

In essence,all that happens,is by God+s will and power,so whenever we love also,it is by external forces,wether is FATE,Karma or sth else.

posted January 30, 2009 08:07 AM              

yes, I had just sent my view on mythology, when suddenly the thought rushed through my mind: "Of course they could also have been aliens, visiting the earth and guiding people". I have no idea where that came from. LOL

And above all I have no idea, why I have the feeling as if someone is standing behind me, looking over my shoulder, as I am typing.

posted January 30, 2009 08:18 AM            

Well, why not? I don't remember which civilisation it is, but in caves they have found their Ancient drawings of what we would refer to as UFO's. It's been a while since I researched that - many many years (not giving away my age, but everyone knows it anyway!) so I can't remember where. So, why not aliens? When I was little I used to watch a show hosted by Leonard Nimoy called "Great Mysteries of the World", I'm sure many people remember it. It was awesome. And they used to discuss this stuff. My favourite show as a kid. I'm sure it was from there that I recall discussions of the Pyramids of Egypt being built with alien assistance as well.

I'm very open to the concept of aliens though.

posted January 30, 2009 08:25 AM            

Yes, I see a lot of it similarly to you. I think with the free will we can make choices that can take us away from any fated meetings with someone or if we had made different choices before we met them that the outcome of that meeting could have been different too. I also think that sometimes we're meant to meet people so we can just learn something in particular and then part or even to just end it with them as well. That one comes from personal experience. That's my understanding. So I have a hard time taking in those descriptions when people offer them as lovey-dovey feelings when I recognise them as being something else. I think that's why I just want to know how it feels, etc. Because I think it feels differently to how some people expect it to. But also talking about soulmates and twinflames are totally different things. So I think we're "fated" to meet people but how that evolves comes down to free will and also the choices we have made beforehand in this lifetime. Such a complicated subject. And so potentially different for everyone. But you'd have to think that twinflame rules are the same for everyone.

posted January 30, 2009 08:52 AM            

For instance, if we are pre-destined to meet our soul mate at bus stop at exactly 11.11am on the 11th november 2011 and we are held up because we decide to stop at Starbucks for a coffee and take the next bus, the Universe will set up another meeting for us at a certain date. If we are destined to meet someone, nothing can stop it - not even free will. Free will is only options anyway!

As for the feeling of touching/meeting one's higher self/oversoul, it is a feeling of pure pure pure unconditional and total LOVE. It feels like you can no longer separate things, feelings, and it encompasses you and holds you like a mother does with a child.
It doesn't feel like coming home cos what is home? It doesn't feel like you are complete cos what is complete? It just feels like the heart, soul, body are one...and you don't have the feeling of any void or anything missing

posted January 30, 2009 08:57 AM            

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If you study the akarshic records then everything is pre-destined.. who we meet as soul mates and who we have as children/parents etc.

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Do you think it is possible that the Akashic Records change - as we make choices (free will) - that the information in it alters along with those? Like our palm prints/lines, apparently, they change during our life.

posted January 30, 2009 09:45 AM            

Now, as I was saying.......

Actually, I do have a theory that I just suggested to you somewhere else, but think it belongs here.

Is it possible that the soulmate/twinflame archetypes (mythology) are different for everyone, based on their personal needs?

So, Pluto-Proserpine/Persephone works for you, but Isis-Osiris for someone else. Being different energies, dynamics, etc.

posted January 30, 2009 09:47 AM              

" also had a fleeting thought this morning, that those different aspects might all be pointers to "soulmates" (however we define that term), and that the myth may describe the quality and special energy, that what is the focus of a special relationship.
So a relationship with a strong Pluto-Proserpina-theme may include a strong need for transformation, obsession that grows into a mature love (I repeat it: the ONLY celestial couple that was loyal and faithful to each other, even though there had been temptations along the way; well, both of them took care the other one didn`t take a detour. lol).

And an Eros-Psyche synastry would carry a different vibe?

Just think of it, soulmates or not:

Antonio Banderas - Melanie Griffith
Brad Pitt - Angelina Jolie
Johnny Cash - June Carter
Johnny Depp - Vanessa Paradis
and so on

the thing that these relationship (from a superficial glance) have in common is that there was a lot of transformation going on along with some upheaval in the beginning.
Both Johnny`s and Melanie have been drug addicts (or alcoholics) and their life was gliding through their fingers, until their SO came along and helped them restructure it.
Angelina and Brad - there is a profound change in their "image", and probably they have been transformed, too.

Maybe a relationship founded on Isis-Osiris would be completely different compared to this one.

So maybe, just maybe it doesn`t say just "Soulmate YES or NO", but it hints at core themes of the relationship, a particular vibration."

My conclusion (for now):
I think the myths and their vibration, their feeling is the same for all of us. Proserpina-Pluto always carries the same theme.

BUT maybe each of us NEEDS a different myth, a different lesson, and therefore a different myth will lead us to our personal soulmate, maybe even twinsoul.

posted January 30, 2009 09:48 AM            

This time I'm off to bed. You ponder the great mysteries of the world, while I dream about them.

posted January 30, 2009 10:16 AM            

Just a quick one. I know they're not gods and goddesses, but weren't Odysseus and Persephone faithful to one another. And note the name Persephone again? So I take it Persephone depicts a faithful lover. Unless I've got the names wrong. In which case, oops! - I didn't make this post, one of my children came on here and did it. If it's right - yeah, it was me. Okay - it's 2.16am. I'm going to bed now.

posted January 30, 2009 10:17 AM              

1) Ewan McGregor - VAnessa Paradis:
no pass of the ASC-test

2) Robert Downey Jr - Melanie Griffith:
his ASC trine Her Karma

- no Pluto / Proserpina / Persephone

3) Jude Law - a colleague of mine:
no pass of the ASC-test

4) Orlando Bloom - me:
no pass of the ASC test

5) Brad PItt - my mother:
no pass of the ASC test

6) Angelina Jolie - my father (I am silly I know)
no pass of the ASC test

7) Johnny Depp - a friend of mine
his ASC conjunct her Saturn
- no Pluto - Proserpina / Persephone aspect

8) a singer - another colleague of mine
no pass of the ASC test

9) Paul Newman - Katerhine Hepburn
his ASC conjunct her Mars
her ASC trines his VAlentine

no Pluto- Persephone / Proserpina aspect

I have enough of this now. I really picked them randomly.

posted January 30, 2009 10:29 AM            

Odysseus' wife was Penelope, and not Persephone.
Penelope was faithful to Odysseus,and she put off suitors that Odysseus ended up killing.
Odysseus was not faithful to Penelope. He had sex with Circe,the immortal witch that turned Odysseus' men into pigs. She was the daughter of Helios,the God of the Sun.

It was Telegonus,(son of Odysseus and Circe) that unknowingly killed Odysseus while on his way to meet his father. Telegonus married Penelope,and Telemachus (son of Odysseus and Penelope) married Circe.

Odysseus was told one day he would die by the hand of one of his kin.

posted January 30, 2009 11:29 AM              

You enter through the main door. At the same time a bell is ringing. You recognize the room from your dream.
You know now you should be fearful, cause it`s not normal to dream of rooms one has never been to before. But you aren`t. Instead every kind of fear or doubts or being torn between arriving or leaving falls away. The wheel has been set in motion. You are calm. You are exactly where you are ought to be.

You sit down and start reading while waiting for the begin. Slowly a feeling creeps into your consciousness. A sensation like little ants are runnning up and down your spine, or someone is stroking you softly with an electric cord. The electricity rises up, from your toes to your head, over your head, you can feel it in every single fibre of your being, even in your hair.
The tingling intensifies so much that you can`t ignore anylonger. You raise your head and you meet his gaze. The moment you look into his eyes, you see thousand yesterday`s whirl and tumble, spiral into each other, backward, backward, far backwards, right to the point when creation has been born.
Velvet darkness. Being. Not lover or brother or friend or enemy or man or woman or child. Only being. Whole. Everything is inside you, you are in everything.
And as you keep looking into his eyes you wonder how his eyes can sparkle so blue in this dim light.
And even before you recognize him, before you remember his name and how impossible all of this is, the bliss comes over you like a wave, or rather is rising inside of you from a hidden corner of yourself.
Only bliss. Complete happiness. Peace.
You almost wants to cry, because you understand. You will have forgotten again before the evening has ended, but in this moment you just know everything you need to know. The truth of your soul. The sense. The meaning. Everything is there, inside you, in that one moment. The moment of your life. You are one with all that is around you.
You will hear his voice later on, and it will be like a quake in your soul. Filling your whole being, flooding you, leaving you shaking, cause suddenly the body, its narrowness feels too tight, too insufficient to contain that energy and warmth and bliss.
There is no way to hide away from this. Your soul suddenly is wide open, glowing, radiant with light, white and golden, and warm. And you feel everything is alright. Everything is exactly as it should be. It`s perfect.

Hmm, I have no idea what happened that moment to me, cause unfortunately that feeling of understanding defies any of my attempts of analysing it.
But I can still feel the bliss I felt then and that faith that trust that everything is as it is meant to be.

EDIT:
Another strange thing. As I was sitting there, I saw a web of blue shining threads permeating the darkness. It was beautiful, yet I wondered if I was having a melt-down, suddenly seeing and thinking in colours.

EDIT 2:
I just checked, on that day, when the above took place there was in the sky:

- exact Saturn-SN-conjunction
- exact Valentine- Uranus conjunction trine
Parvati and square Siva
- exact Sun-Persephone-conjunction exactly
sextile Pluto on the GC and also exactly
trine Moon
- exact trine of Neptune to Psyche
- exact square of Eros to Psyche
- almost exact trine of Karma to Chiron

(those aspects of course have been valid for all people on earth; seemed to have been a spiritually loaded day)

posted January 30, 2009 07:02 PM              

Maybe you can see anything from that? ;-) Again, I am not very well read in all the asteroids and not soooo sure how to rate Nessus.

Both our Nessus'ses are in Gemini.

In HIS Chart Nessus is placed in his 9th house - cj. his NN, cj. his Psyche, cj. his Sun/Chiron and cj. his Sun/Eros.

In Synastry HIS Nessus
- cj. my Karma (exact)
- cj. my Chronos (exact)
- cj. my Juno/Vertex (exact)
- sextiles my Mercury
- sextiles my Chiron
- sextiles my Venus/Vertex (exact)
- sextiles my Don Quixote
- trines my Lust
- trines my Sun/Moon (exact)
- squares my North Node
- squares my Helena
- squares my Amazone
- opposite my Phoinix
- opposite my Change

In MY chart my Nessus is placed in my 7th house - cj. Mars/Juno, cj. my draco Saturn.

In Synastry MY Nessus
- cj. his MC (exact)
- cj. his Anteros (exact)
- cj. his Romance (exact)
- sextile his Moon
- sextile his Actor
- sextile his Martir
- sextile his Chaos
- sextile his Pandora
- trine his Cupido
- trine his Amazone
- trine his Poseidon
- trine his Damocles
- square his Saturn
- square his Pluto
- square his ASC/DSC
- square his Chiron
- square his Eros
- square his Fanatica
- square his Humptydumpty (exact)
- square his Nemesis
- square his Venus/Uranus
- opposite his IC
- opposite his Venus/Vertex
- opposite his Mars/Juno

Interesting: Both our Mars/Juno and Venus/Vertex-Midpoints are touched by the other's Nessus - and also "Amazone", the self-confident, adventurous woman ....?

DD - have you got a line to share on these placements? ;-)

posted January 31, 2009 09:14 AM              

I feel these may be significant:

Synastry HIS Nessus
- cj. my Karma (exact)
- squares my North Node

I guess there has been an abusive theme in a past life, which had to be adressed in this life, too.
HIs Nessus also squares your Helena. Now Helena was a beautiful woman and regarded as a "price", maybe he "objectified" you?
Saw you as his posession, a trophy more than an equal partner? (to whichay) Amazone would have reacted in an allergic way)
Since you are a woman, I think you wouldn´t have projected a female character like her on him, but acted it out yourself.

IN a way you triggered Nessus inside him, a facing of his own abusive traits or experiences. I don`t know his chart, but I wonder if that was something new that he didn`t know about himself?

In MY chart my Nessus is placed in my 7th house (yes, mine, too. )
I guess we have to be careful as we would be prone to meet Nessus-theme through partners or in relationships. Sine our NEssus is in Gemini, I do think the abuse-theme may relate to Gemini-themes, like communication for example. But I am no expert.
Curiously the Sabian of my Nessus looks not too negative:
"The first mockingbird of spring"

In Synastry MY Nessus
- cj. his MC (exact)
- square his Saturn
- square his Pluto
- square his ASC/DSC
- square his Chiron
- square his Eros"

I`m a bit uncertain, but since your Nessus is in the 7th house, maybe you project it onto other people, playing rather the passive than the active role?
But as I said I am not sure.

In any case there is a lot of erotic tension between you, that leads to severe wounding and power plays.
Even if you tried to play Nessus, well, his Saturn and Pluto are a powerful counterpart I think. Sometimes they seem to me like "deflective shields". lol
Like they are more than prepared to confront Nessus and keep him in check.