posted April 15, 2009 10:15 AM            

With that logic, a t-square would be considered an afflicted aspect pattern.

Of course, I don't use words like affliction or negative, bad when it comes to aspects,placements in Astrology

The manifestion of an aspect is negative or positive really depends on the person and how he/she seems to use that energy. It also involves environmental,sociocultural factors.

Also t-squares are said to be common in successful people, and so they can't be all bad

the opposition correlates with Libra
the square correlates with Cancer and Capricorn
those along with Aries are the cardinal signs of the zodiac. They are about action and initiation.

T-Squares have to do with action and initiation

Of course,t-squares can be stressful because of the internal and external pressures, but those tend to push a person to act and..........especially using the energy of the planet that is the focal point of the t-square

I am going to post about the following bodies in t-square. It will give you an idea of how planets in multiple hard aspects can function in both positive and negative ways.

from the book, DYNAMICS OF ASPECT ANALYSIS New Perceptions In Astrology by Bil Tierney

part 1. Moon
part 2. Sun
part 3. Mercury
part 4. Venus
part 5. Mars
part 6. Jupiter
part 7. Saturn
part 8. Uranus
part 9. Neptune
part 10. Pluto

Part 1

APEX MOON

The Apex Moon denotes a sensitive individual with a highly-charged, easily triggered emotional nature. Instincts are acutely alive and active, but due to the stress of this configuration, they tend to operate from a defensive pose. Security is very important for this self-protective person, who may tend to feel easily threatened. He normally is prone to overreact to external stress factors, in which he either puts upt barriers that keep him at a safe distance, or else withdraws deeply into himself in an attempt to tune out tensions. The feeling nature is bound to be in a state of constant conflict or instability until this person makes a conscious attempt to objectively reprogram negative subconscious conditioning, often the result of vivid, misunderstood impressions from the past. Although he craves lasting psychological comfort and support in his intimate relationships, his needs tend to fluctuate too rapidly due to his hard to control mood swings. In general,he will be challenged to become less touchy about himself if internal friction here is to be reduced. The apex Moon normally does represent the potential for an unusually high degree of receptivity, which generally urges the individual to actively work in the public eye on some level where he can feel needed. His nurturing, caring ability is often very powerful although his need for self-nourishment may be equally intense. This configuration could denote high-strung relationships with the mother or mother principle. Interestingly enough, two of the examples I was able to find were very popular Hollywood "sex" symbols (representing the glamorization of the feminine principle). (Greta Garbo - Jean Harlow - Gandhi - Martin Luther King - Oscar Wilde - Walt Disney)

I can relate to everything that was written about the t-square.

My t-square consists of
Moon in 3'11 Pisces
retrograde Saturn in 5'08 Gemini
Jupiter in 8'17 Gemini
Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius

corresponding midpoint pictures:
Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune - '17
Psychological interpretations from Ruth Brummond's Rulebook:
+ empathic. sensitive . private; drawn to obscurities. serious. free of confinement or restraints. cautious. deals with medical issues. seriously interested in metaphysical factors.
- secretive. insecure. dissatisfied; discontented. hopeless. pessimistic. melancholy. contrary. lacking in self-confidence. dejected; mournful. emotionally distraught. manic depressive. emotionally cold.

Saturn semisquare Moon/Jupiter - '36
Psychological interpretations from Ruth Brummond's Rulebook:
+ emotionally mature. responsible. duty-conscious. conscientious. economical. thrifty. frugal. moderate. humble. calm. imperturbable. nonchalant. retrospective; interested in historical factors. frugal.
- miserly. indifferent. apathetic. negligent. lax. boring. dull. stymied. stuck in the past. unfair. has legal problems. contrary. covetous. miserly.

In Right Ascension converted to Ecliptic Longitude

Moon in 4'24 Pisces
Saturn in 3'36 Gemini R
Jupiter in 6'37 Sagittarius R
Neptune in 0'02 Sagittarius

corresponding midpoint pictures:
Moon oppose Jupiter/Saturn - '42
same interpretation as Saturn semisquare Moon/Jupiter

Many astrologers would say that my highly sensitive,emotional nature as well as my tendency to overreact to external stress factors,be emotionally touchy and my capacity for nurturing and caring is indicated by my strong water chart of Sun,Mercury,Venus in Scorpio along with Moon in Pisces.

Sidereal Astrologers would disagree because my Sun,Mercury,Venus are in Libra,and my Moon in Aquarius in the Sidereal Zodiac. Ecliptic Constellation Astrologers would disagree because my Sun is in Virgo, My Mercury and Venus are in Libra,and my Moon is in Aquarius in the Ecliptic Constellation Zodiac.

They would point out that all the things that are attributed to the tropical zodiac can actually be attributed to the Apex Moon t-square

As an tropical zodiac astrologer, I believe that all those things can be attributed to both the Apex Moon T-Square and the strong tropical chart. It can indicate a strong theme. I look at strong themes in charts when doing an analysis of a chart. Aspect patterns by themselves tend to indicate a a major life theme, especially if they have corresponding midpoint pictures.

posted April 15, 2009 10:53 AM            

However, it is a physical object, and so it can be involved in aspect patterns. I would use considerably smaller orbs though.

Chiron is actually one of over 40 centaur bodies too. Over 10 of them have names. Chariklo (named after Chiron's wife) is the largest of them all.

I would say that a person with Chiron at the apex could have history of being wounded in some way or another whether it's a psychological or physical wound, and there could be the possibility of feeling inadequate and bitter in regards to those experiences. If they learn to deal with the pain and get over it by looking at from a holistic perspective, they can become healers,mentors.
Chiron is said to be a maverick too, and so they might feel like they don't fit in. They are not outside the box. They may be treated like outcasts. The planets that Chiron are in hard aspect could indicate the planets being outside the box for better or worse. For example, Mercury in hard aspect to Chiron can indicate mental processes that are outside the box. If one had painful experiences connected to that, then there could be thoughts of inadequacy and/or bitterness. If they lead learn to deal with those issues, they can use that ability to be great teachers that can bring a multisensory way of teaching that helps all students learn. They could teach in nontraditional education settings like Montessori,Waldorf Schools. That's an example.

I have Psyche as an apex of t-square
Psyche is around Chiron's size.

Psyche in 5'26 Virgo
Saturn in 5'08 Gemini
Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarus

but also a t-square with Moon as the apex
Psyche in 5'26 Virgo
Moon in 3'11 Pisces
Saturn in 5'08 Gemini

(I don't like using wide orbs for grand crosses with asteroids

Zipporah Dobyns intepreted Psyche as either the capacity to understand and care for others or the incapacity to do so if one is self centered or insecure.

I can relate to the capacity to understand and care for others, but I also can relate to the insecurity that interfered with that ability. I still struggle with it,but I am getting it resolved.

My Sun in 5'20 sextiles my Psyche with 6 minutes of arc too.

Raymond

posted April 15, 2009 11:01 AM            

shrugs...I don't understand what you mean.

I also gave intepretations for those aspects.
I put them under their corresponding midpoint pictures.

corresponding midpoint picture means a midpoint picture has all the planets that are in the aspect pattern due to the aspect pattern having aspects that are narrower enough to form aspects patterns with corresponding midpoint picture.

opposition is 180 degrees
square is 90 degrees

2 squares = 180 degrees
1 opposition = 180 degrees
and equals 360 degrees .....the circle

aspects are also based on harmonics

opposition = 2nd harmonic, 1/2 of a circle
square = 4th harmonic,waxing square is 1/4 of a circle, the waning square is 3/4 of a circle

opposition is also 2/4 of a circle too

so a t-square is a 4th harmonic pattern because it involves an opposition (2/4) and a waning square (1/4)and waxing square (3/4)

Raymond

posted April 17, 2009 04:41 AM            

I have 2 T-squares: Mercury, Saturn and Mars as well as Mercury, Uranus and Mars.

Mars as the apex, in Pisces 1st house.

I see you concentrate a lot on mid-points too, how large an orb would you give conjunctions?

Mercury/Mars = Moon
Mercury/Uranus = Mars
Mars/Chiron = Moon

I'm taking mid-points with Mars involved.

posted April 17, 2009 09:47 AM            

It makes sense that there is power and potentional in an Apex planet.

Mine is Mars, also one corner of a Grand Trine and Conjunct the North Node. It's my most aspected planet.

My husband has Neptune. Too often the negative gets accentuated for harsh Neptune aspects, but with maturity they can be used wisely and powerfully.